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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    One of my "friends" on facebook shared the overweight girl's pic yesterday. It has 250,000 likes, 60,000 shares and 45,000 comments all along the lines of "omg big is beautiful! real woman! x"

    But I reckon people act and think very differently than facebook would lead you to believe...I bet most of the people commenting have judged a fat person at least once.
    I see. I do think that there is something very ironic about all of this. It is ironic that these people post things along the lines of 'I'm ready for the haterz', often in the knowledge that their ostensibly subversive actions of a) Being supposedly 'larger', and b) Having the audacity to post it on Facebook, will actually lead to them receiving large numbers of compliments - the epitome, almost, of reverse psychology.

    Oh, of course. Facebook is almost as hypocritical as it is inane.
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    (Original post by Slumpy)
    I probably didn't make as much sense as I could've there. I meant I'd had a 34" waist (say, I forget exact measurements at the time), and was wearing a pair of shorts labelled '30" waist'. Actual measurements I grant you won't match the waist size!
    Okay, that is a factor too but there are a lot of people I see who don't realise that clothes are meant to have ease... the skintight buttondown shirts that were everywhere in my sixth form, for example.
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    (Original post by Slumpy)
    This one always annoys me. Monroe was an old school size 14, which is not the same as these days.

    Also, this cross section (people who can't lose weight) accounts for an absolutely minimal proportion of the population.
    Actually its thought that 10-20% of women have polycystic ovaries.

    Hardly minimal.

    Then include everything else.
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    (Original post by kunoichi)
    Actually its thought that 10-20% of women have polycystic ovaries.

    Hardly minimal.

    Then include everything else.
    Bold claim. Evidence?
    Edit: Also, evidence that these 10-20% are sufficiently impaired that weight loss is practically impossible. This is really the bold claim.
    (And FWIW, that's still certainly minimal.)
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    The backlash against the increasing prevalence of anorexia. Now overweight celebrities are beaten down for their "betrayal" for daring to lose weight, and fat is the new normal, with even the mere suggestion that someone is perhaps heavier than is healthy considered outrageous.

    As a thin person, I'm sick to ****ing death of being called anorexic/underweight by my overweight family.
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    (Original post by Slumpy)
    Bold claim. Evidence?
    Edit: Also, evidence that these 10-20% are sufficiently impaired that weight loss is practically impossible. This is really the bold claim.
    (And FWIW, that's still certainly minimal.)
    http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/pcos.html

    http://www.endocrineonline.org/pdf%20box/pcos%2Bmet.pdf

    As a sufferer ive had ton of converstaions with different doctors and specialists all who say the same thing. Even if you are not obese you do have to watch your food constantly because it isnt about the ovaries, which is really just a symptom, it is about the insulin resistance problems.

    Again thyroid - 1 in 50 people is estimated

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical...thyroid1.shtml

    I fail to see how 5-10% of the human population (for pcos) and thats not including the guys that are thought to have some form of it, but little research has been done on that, is minimal.

    And like i said start including everything else that has effect on weight, you will see a considerable percentage of the population will probably have something that could contribute to weight gain.
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    (Original post by kunoichi)
    http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/pcos.html

    http://www.endocrineonline.org/pdf%20box/pcos%2Bmet.pdf

    As a sufferer ive had ton of converstaions with different doctors and specialists all who say the same thing. Even if you are not obese you do have to watch your food constantly because it isnt about the ovaries, which is really just a symptom, it is about the insulin resistance problems.

    Again thyroid - 1 in 50 people is estimated

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical...thyroid1.shtml

    I fail to see how 5-10% of the human population (for pcos) and thats not including the guys that are thought to have some form of it, but little research has been done on that, is minimal.

    And like i said start including everything else that has effect on weight, you will see a considerable percentage of the population will probably have something that could contribute to weight gain.
    Bit busy to fully read these at the moment, but brief glance gives this:
    Second link; 10% of women experience a symptom. Given we're talking about effects, this is the relevant figure. We're then told from the other one that some number may have insulin sensitivity issues. If you want to be taken seriously, you'd need to provide some kind of figure of the proportion of the population genuinely suffering from high level insulin issues. Even still, that does just mean you have to be a little more careful with what you eat, which is basically the same as getting a bit older. (And this is ignoring the apparent increased testosterone production, which is almost certainly offsetting.)
    5-10% is a very small minority. That's just a fact. And having looked at this a bit, I can't remember ever seeing a decent sized study which finds any real number of people who didn't lose weight on a calorie controlled diet with exercise and vice versa. Whilst losing weight may be harder for some people than others (again, the extent to which this is true is up for debate), it's do-able for almost everyone. It's all about how much you want it. That many people don't care enough is fine (and clear), but to suggest it's only because of genetics or whatever is, in the main, wrong.
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    (Original post by Slumpy)
    Bit busy to fully read these at the moment, but brief glance gives this:
    Second link; 10% of women experience a symptom. Given we're talking about effects, this is the relevant figure. We're then told from the other one that some number may have insulin sensitivity issues. If you want to be taken seriously, you'd need to provide some kind of figure of the proportion of the population genuinely suffering from high level insulin issues. Even still, that does just mean you have to be a little more careful with what you eat, which is basically the same as getting a bit older. (And this is ignoring the apparent increased testosterone production, which is almost certainly offsetting.)
    5-10% is a very small minority. That's just a fact. And having looked at this a bit, I can't remember ever seeing a decent sized study which finds any real number of people who didn't lose weight on a calorie controlled diet with exercise and vice versa. Whilst losing weight may be harder for some people than others (again, the extent to which this is true is up for debate), it's do-able for almost everyone. It's all about how much you want it. That many people don't care enough is fine (and clear), but to suggest it's only because of genetics or whatever is, in the main, wrong.

    I think until you look at each health issue in as much detail as possible you wont really understand the difficulty (difficulty not impossibility!) it can take people to lose weight. If you really wanted to know more some of the girls on the pcos thread could answer your questions better than me though

    Difference of opinion i guess - i find 5-10% of a population very high just for one health problem.
    I think a large amount of severely obese people do have a problem not helping them, but i also think a lot of them dont care along with that. When something is so difficult to achieve because of a condition thats not your fault sometimes its just easier to give up for some people.
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
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    Everytime I see that I get more angry at it.

    Although, I have to laugh that nearly all the people saying the overweight girl is somehow brilliant are female. Sounds to me like a lot of them just want to desperately think that men should find that attractive, even though the majority of them would not find an overweight man attractive.

    And I'm not super-slim. I'm just realistic.
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    Coz what guy doesn't love a fat ass?

    Saying that, women who say "look at my curves" and really are just fat are ruining the whole thing for women who have actual curves and are sexy.
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    (Original post by Popppppy)
    Yea, sorry I couldn't really see the comments cos I'm on my phone.
    That fat girl started off on tumblr which is full of girls who make no effort with their appearance yet whine that no boys fancy them.
    It's often one big circle jerk of unattractive girls telling each other that they're so wonderful and vilifying guys for not fancying them, meanwhile all they do is post pictures of super hot Hollywood stars and expect boys to look like that.
    Haha I don't have a tumblr or spend any time on other people's but that definitely doesn't surprise me.
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    (Original post by holson)
    Attractiveness shouldn't be how big you are. It should be from your personality.
    Most people's idea of fat isn't even fat. Marilyn Monroe was a size 14 - which would be called fat by the media and the public alike (not all public, hopefully) but curves were (and IMO still are) beautiful. You can still be healthy at a size sixteen. If your weight is affecting your health then you need to lose weight but not because of society's perceptions of what is beautiful or the 'correct' weight - for your own well being. Other people shouldn't dictate what is right for others to look like. There are models who are unhealthier than a lot of 'fat' people because they're undernourished.

    And have you thought of people who are big through no fault of their own? Parents over feeding their children, health problems like thyroid issues, poly cystic ovaries etc, this things can make it near impossible for someone to lose weight.

    Weight is such a big thing these days. As long as its not affecting your health I think everyone should look how they want to look and not be bullied into changing their bodies by people who think they're ugly. It's bullying and disgusting.


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    They are just excuses. It is very easy to lose weight no matter what condition you have, it's just a matter of consuming fewer calories than you burn off.

    And in the case of parents over feeding them, the parents should be blamed up until the child can think for themselves and start making their own decisions.

    In my opinion more needs to be done to educate people on healthy eating and healthy lifestyles.
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    What you're saying about people on tumblr is bullying and tarring everyone with the same brush. There are a mixture of people on tumblr but the whole point of it is that everyone accepts each other and isn't a giant douche, saying that others are fat or ugly. Shame on all of you who said that.

    With the Facebook post thing, yes it was wrong that the muscled people got abuse for what they worked for, but I think the bigger girl got praise for her confidence rather than her actual size. Confidence is beautiful.


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    (Original post by NessEB)
    They are just excuses. It is very easy to lose weight no matter what condition you have, it's just a matter of consuming fewer calories than you burn off.

    And in the case of parents over feeding them, the parents should be blamed up until the child can think for themselves and start making their own decisions.

    In my opinion more needs to be done to educate people on healthy eating and healthy lifestyles.
    Actually, it's not ****ing easy. People with these type of problem often have to starve themselves to lose weight. My mother for one - she eats hardly anything and exercises daily and can't lose weight. So don't f*cking tell her it's easy. I have watched her struggle for years and it almost killed her and me.


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    (Original post by holson)
    Actually, it's not ****ing easy. People with these type of problem often have to starve themselves to lose weight. My mother for one - she eats hardly anything and exercises daily and can't lose weight. So don't f*cking tell her it's easy. I have watched her struggle for years and it almost killed her and me.


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    I'm not even going to respond because whatever I say will just insult you even more (without intending to).
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    (Original post by holson)
    Actually, it's not ****ing easy. People with these type of problem often have to starve themselves to lose weight. My mother for one - she eats hardly anything and exercises daily and can't lose weight. So don't f*cking tell her it's easy. I have watched her struggle for years and it almost killed her and me.


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    Whilst I acknowledge that it is a lot harder for some people to lose weight, you're getting a bit defensive and it's verging on aggressive. Tumblr is a load of rubbish, I occasionally go on it but I'm sick of seeing horrifically fat girls getting praised for their non-existent beauty, and at the other end of the spectrum idiots complaining that their inner thigh gap isn't big enough. But everyone can lose weight or at least reach a healthy state if they work hard, it just takes some people more effort than others (unless they have a serious, rare medical condition, which is only a minority group)
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    (Original post by Anime Lover)
    Whilst I acknowledge that it is a lot harder for some people to lose weight, you're getting a bit defensive and it's verging on aggressive. Tumblr is a load of rubbish, I occasionally go on it but I'm sick of seeing horrifically fat girls getting praised for their non-existent beauty, and at the other end of the spectrum idiots complaining that their inner thigh gap isn't big enough. But everyone can lose weight or at least reach a healthy state if they work hard, it just takes some people more effort than others (unless they have a serious, rare medical condition, which is only a minority group)
    You're obviously following the wrong people as I never see that kind of thing. I only see happy friendly people blogging about their passion for something. Yes everyone can lose weight (my mum does have an under active thyroid and is allergic to the medication and therefore can't lose it whatever she does) but the point is that f they're healthy they shouldn't have to.


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    (Original post by holson)
    You're obviously following the wrong people as I never see that kind of thing. I only see happy friendly people blogging about their passion for something. Yes everyone can lose weight (my mum does have an under active thyroid and is allergic to the medication and therefore can't lose it whatever she does) but the point is that f they're healthy they shouldn't have to.


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    Hmm well I don't use it much but from my experience it's full of obsessives, either incredibly self conscious or fishing for compliments off everyone else (or both.) I'm sorry to hear that, but you're right, people shouldn't feel pressured into losing weight if they're healthy, but excess fat isn't healthy, regardless of what people try to say about it.
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    (Original post by holson)
    Actually, it's not ****ing easy. People with these type of problem often have to starve themselves to lose weight. My mother for one - she eats hardly anything and exercises daily and can't lose weight. So don't f*cking tell her it's easy. I have watched her struggle for years and it almost killed her and me.


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    This

    I know a woman with pcos who couldnt lose weight no matter what. The doctors then put her on a (medically approved and set out) 500 cals a day diet and it still wasnt easy.

    I think people a lot of the time just dont get how hard it can be unless they have a condition or someone close to them does.
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    (Original post by Anime Lover)
    Hmm well I don't use it much but from my experience it's full of obsessives, either incredibly self conscious or fishing for compliments off everyone else (or both.) I'm sorry to hear that, but you're right, people shouldn't feel pressured into losing weight if they're healthy, but excess fat isn't healthy, regardless of what people try to say about it.
    I use it everyday and I have seen none of that.


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