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    (Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish)
    Indeed, however I was myself responding to a post that had strayed slightly into a discussion of national, not racial, pride.
    Good answer! Precisely the problem is that people all-too-often assume the two are inextricably linked.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    I imagine you're arguing with people who are of the Left persuasion, so they're arguing idealistically rather than realistically.
    Look if i was argue idealistically i would an anarchist. Also whilst i hate the ussr as much as anyone, theres no argueing that they weren't an ecomionic power house before they wasted it on nukes (MAD ) so we aren't being that unrealistic
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    (Original post by halbeth)
    Good answer! Precisely the problem is that people all-too-often assume the two are inextricably linked.
    think that's my fault
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    (Original post by SorryInAdvance)
    Because it's like possible to explain Das Kapital and all the leftist thought since then in a few posts?
    I've read Das Kapital.

    Look, you clearly have no practical way to implement and sustain open immigration. No one does, or it would have been done by now.

    I repeat: it makes more sense to improve the state of other less fortunate countries than it does to allow their citizens free reign to come here.

    (Original post by Steevee)
    I imagine you're arguing with people who are of the Left persuasion, so they're arguing idealistically rather than realistically.
    I've never gone in much for labelling myself as left or right, but I'm having to do some serious re-thinking.
    Idealism does not create solutions.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    What an utterly childish view.
    What an utterly idiotic reply.
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    (Original post by SorryInAdvance)
    Look if i was argue idealistically i would an anarchist. Also whilst i hate the ussr as much as anyone, theres no argueing that they weren't an ecomionic power house before they wasted it on nukes (MAD ) so we aren't being that unrealistic
    If you say so. What I'm saying is this thinking of a world without borders is idealistic. It's got nought to do with the Soviet Union and all to do with the fact our nation could not support such a policy.
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    (Original post by Yawn!)
    What an utterly idiotic reply.
    Not really.

    'Your people went around the world and stole everything and were mean to people so now you've got to pay and let everyone from everywhere in!'

    That is a moronic viewpoint with no basis in logic or reason. I've tried to debate people like that before, it wont work. They'll start talking about how the West owes the world a debt, how everything is our fault, how this is our punishment blah blah blah. It's some highly emotionally apologetics/anti-Western rhetoric and you never get sense out of those people.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Not really.

    'Your people went around the world and stole everything and were mean to people so now you've got to pay and let everyone from everywhere in!'

    That is a moronic viewpoint with no basis in logic or reason. I've tried to debate people like that before, it wont work. They'll start talking about how the West owes the world a debt, how everything is our fault, how this is our punishment blah blah blah. It's some highly emotionally apologetics/anti-Western rhetoric and you never get sense out of those people.
    Clearly your statements are moronic as you make gross assumptions about what I am going to say.

    Don't worry, I've also met your kind before, and I've ultimately destroyed every ignorant, small minded argument they put forward. I will not waste my time doing the same to you, as I am bored arguing with those who are not worth the effort.

    Enjoy your unearned and undeserved privilege while it lasts.
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    I've read Das Kapital.

    Look, you clearly have no practical way to implement and sustain open immigration. No one does, or it would have been done by now.

    I repeat: it makes more sense to improve the state of other less fortunate countries than it does to allow their citizens free reign to come here.



    I've never gone in much for labelling myself as left or right, but I'm having to do some serious re-thinking.
    Idealism does not create solutions.
    fair enough but we aren't making an solutions now and it's only going to get worse. And personally i don't see as idealism just an imperfect attempt at a solution. What gets to me is the waste which is keep people in poverty. What really caused to argue was this idea that people had more right to live in places than others. It just got to me and i wish more would feel like that when they hear this sort of argument.
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    Being proud to be American, white, black, Jewish or Muslim or similar is stupid. The achievements of these people are not your achievements, regardless of whether you belong to the same ethnic or religious group.
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    (Original post by Yawn!)
    Clearly your statements are moronic as you make gross assumptions about what I am going to say.

    Don't worry, I've also met your kind before, and I've ultimately destroyed every ignorant, small minded argument they put forward. I will not waste my time doing the same to you, as I am bored arguing with those who are not worth the effort.

    Enjoy your unearned and undeserved privilege while it lasts.
    Oh, it was you that said the silly thing to start with, I thought it was someone else and you were just interjecting

    By all means then, present your case :mmm:
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    (Original post by SorryInAdvance)
    fair enough but we aren't making an solutions now and it's only going to get worse. And personally i don't see as idealism just an imperfect attempt at a solution. What gets to me is the waste which is keep people in poverty. What really caused to argue was this idea that people had more right to live in places than others. It just got to me and i wish more would feel like that when they hear this sort of argument.
    That's because there aren't any solutions. All we can do is improve research on diseases such as AIDS and malaria, send foreign aid and contribute and encourage attempts at foreign (and domestic, for that matter) improvement (think Libya, Syria). Opening our borders wouldn't help anyone.

    So you wish more people would think of idealistic sentiments but have no actual solutions? How useful.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Oh, it was you that said the silly thing to start with, I thought it was someone else and you were just interjecting

    By all means then, present your case :mmm:
    Silly in your opinion only and don't try to be witty, it doesn't suit you.

    Unfortunately, I don't have a few hours to deal with you. Some us have better things to do than argue with useless people, posting lame anti-immigrant tribes on a student forum that won't make the slightest difference in the real world (Aww, sucks to be you, eh?:lol:).
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    I don't know, it's by chance that you were born that colour.?
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    Agreed. Pride should be reserved for you own accomplishments, like doing well in an exam, or being able to burp the national anthem.
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    That's because there aren't any solutions. All we can do is improve research on diseases such as AIDS and malaria, send foreign aid and contribute and encourage attempts at foreign (and domestic, for that matter) improvement (think Libya, Syria). Opening our borders wouldn't help anyone.

    So you wish more people would think of idealistic sentiments but have no actual solutions? How useful.
    It's the idealists that change the world, so I really do want "more people would think of idealistic sentiments". If you focus your life trying to achieve something that is seaming idealistic, it might try out that it isn't all that idealistic after all.
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    (Original post by Yawn!)
    Silly in your opinion only and don't try to be witty, it doesn't suit you.

    Unfortunately, I don't have a few hours to deal with you. Some us have better things to do than argue with useless people, posting lame anti-immigrant tribes on a student forum that won't make the slightest difference in the real world (Aww, sucks to be you, eh?:lol:).
    Cute :')

    My argument is anti-immigration by the way, but to do with the need to control immigration. And call this madness, but it seems like my view is a tad more real world than your 'Teh West must pay for all their sins! Everyone should be allowed in!' style view. Call me crazy eh? :mmm:
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    (Original post by SorryInAdvance)
    It's the idealists that change the world, so I really do want "more people would think of idealistic sentiments". If you focus your life trying to achieve something that is seaming idealistic, it might try out that it isn't all that idealistic after all.
    Idealists don't change anything without practical help.

    It's all very well saying that, but you're not trying to achieve that. You're just spouting off about the way things should be.
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    Idealists don't change anything without practical help.

    It's all very well saying that, but you're not trying to achieve that. You're just spouting off about the way things should be.
    Because I am personally not a very good political strategist and i am limited on to what i can say on paper because of my extremely terrible spelling doesn't make my arguments any less valid. But my first step would be to tackle the dogma surrounding the left and to have a socialist candidate in all consticasys (sorry) from there it's just campaigning and trying more mps and smps of that view point into parliament.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Cute :')

    My argument is anti-immigration by the way, but to do with the need to control immigration. And call this madness, but it seems like my view is a tad more real world than your 'Teh West must pay for all their sins! Everyone should be allowed in!' style view. Call me crazy eh? :mmm:
    The West? Hahaha. Laugh when I hear people use this phase, as if you speak for Americans/Canadians, etc. They have nothing to do with this.

    In fact, my arguments probably would not conflict with your own. I'm not a left wing liberal at all. I don't really care how much or how little immigration you think there should be. In fact, the immigration debate does not interest me at all. I just like trolling people strung up about immigration, they can be spotted a mile away and it's a lot of fun.

    By all means, continue with your anti-immigration views. My own views are far different and far more extreme than any you could hold. So nothing you say would shock/offend me anyway.

    I enjoy reading posts like yours. Fuel for the fire.
 
 
 
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