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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    It's ironic that so much scorn is being heaped on the Argies at this time, because what we have here is almost a mirror of the way Eva Peron was colonised by her successors to suit their agendas - Galtieri constantly clothed himself in Evita clothing (yes, I know that would make him a transvestite, but in political terms at least) and used her to suit his fascist purposes.

    I am expecting Ian Duncan-Smith to appear at future austerity conferences seated in front of a giant portrait of Maggie, as he announces plans to castrate the poor or drive them out of the South of England using electric cattle prods.

    And once again you've ignored the fact that tony Blair arranged all of this in 2006. Why are you ignoring this fact?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    And once again you've ignored the fact that tony Blair arranged all of this in 2006. Why are you ignoring this fact?
    Not ignoring it, isn't it patently obvious that Blair was also trying to wrap himself in Thatcher's colours? As was Brown? Why do Righties even think these people are Lefties, they are your politicians, not ours.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Not ignoring it, isn't it patently obvious that Blair was also trying to wrap himself in Thatcher's colours? As was Brown? Why do Righties even think these people are Lefties, they are your politicians, not ours.
    Fullofsurprises is this your friend? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    The very fact that there is a well-founded fear that it might be disrupted, which apparently requires a military presence to counter, is ample proof that this is not a time for a full state funeral of the sort she is being given by the authorities. State funerals are for those so widely beloved of the nation that there is really no question. This is not one of those times.
    You know there's a big security presence around Rememberance Services? A big ol' security force around football events, around the Olympics. Shall we just not do anything that requires a security force? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Jordan-James)
    Fullofsurprises is this your friend? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module
    Lol, I wonder if he got the "turning backs on the procession" idea from me?? That would be really cool.
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    (Original post by Jordan-James)
    Fullofsurprises is this your friend? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

    Why does my blood boil when I see rich kids try and take on working class issues.

    who's doing guard of honour? I hope it's the paras. That'll be great fun. That'll be real class war. The working class giving the chattering classes a good kicking.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Lol, I wonder if he got the "turning backs on the procession" idea from me?? That would be really cool.
    It would be quite sickening really. To go out of your way to disrupt a funeral.

    as I've said before they'll probably do more damage to their cause doing stuff like that.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Why does my blood boil when I see rich kids try and take on working class issues.

    who's doing guard of honour? I hope it's the paras. That'll be great fun. That'll be real class war. The working class giving the chattering classes a good kicking.
    Aha, i wonder if the real anarchists will show up, they'll find any excuse for a punch up!

    I bet the rich kids will drive away in their X5's and be like, ah ill leave the fighting to the working class chaps!
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    Anyone who turns up are more than welcome to have a party and dance or whatever (in my opinion - although I find it disrespectful), and it seems the Police are quite happy to let them.

    However, the Police have also said that they will not tolerate any illegal behaviour. So if I'm wrong, and the various anarchist/UAF/UK Uncut groups haven't infiltrated and don't end up hijacking the party, there should be no damage, no arrests and no injuries and I will quite happily apologise for besmirching their good name.

    Here's how I see it unfolding - peaceful demonstrators (party-goers?) have a good time in Trafalgar Square, all very good-natured but the drinks flow. Slowly, the party becomes infiltrated with thugs, some with megaphones whipping up the crowd, most of the (sober) peaceful revellers drift away, but the thugs then go on to provoke the Police into a reaction (or kick off when they're not allowed in), and it all kicks off. Various other leftie scumbag mobs head for pre-arranged destinations in London and begin smashing up shops, buildings, fencing, throwing missiles at the Police and intimidating innocent people. Added to that, there's a strong rumour that several right-wing groups will also be heading for London for a punchup with the lefties.

    Possibly the "trouble" will be sporadic earlier, so that it hits the early evening news and encourages others to come along and join in, or maybe even in other cities. Police will contain it eventually, Indymedia will be full of tearful fat pink-haired lesbians and malnourished soya-****ers called "Stegs" whining about Police brutality. Some TSR users will use this opportunity to blame Thatcher and the Police for the rioting, Thatcher will be cremated next week and life will go on.

    But I could be wrong.
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    Anyone who turns up are more than welcome to have a party and dance or whatever (in my opinion - although I find it disrespectful), and it seems the Police are quite happy to let them.

    However, the Police have also said that they will not tolerate any illegal behaviour. So if I'm wrong, and the various anarchist/UAF/UK Uncut groups haven't infiltrated and don't end up hijacking the party, there should be no damage, no arrests and no injuries and I will quite happily apologise for besmirching their good name.

    Here's how I see it unfolding - peaceful demonstrators (party-goers?) have a good time in Trafalgar Square, all very good-natured but the drinks flow. Slowly, the party becomes infiltrated with thugs, some with megaphones whipping up the crowd, most of the (sober) peaceful revellers drift away, but the thugs then go on to provoke the Police into a reaction (or kick off when they're not allowed in), and it all kicks off. Various other leftie scumbag mobs head for pre-arranged destinations in London and begin smashing up shops, buildings, fencing, throwing missiles at the Police and intimidating innocent people. Added to that, there's a strong rumour that several right-wing groups will also be heading for London for a punchup with the lefties.

    Possibly the "trouble" will be sporadic earlier, so that it hits the early evening news and encourages others to come along and join in, or maybe even in other cities. Police will contain it eventually, Indymedia will be full of tearful fat pink-haired lesbians and malnourished soya-****ers called "Stegs" whining about Police brutality. Some TSR users will use this opportunity to blame Thatcher and the Police for the rioting, Thatcher will be cremated next week and life will go on.

    But I could be wrong.

    And the champagne socialists such as full of surprises will experience kettling and police charges and then have to go off for a spa weekend to recover whilst realising they don't actually have anything in common with the real people.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    And the champagne socialists such as full of surprises will experience kettling and police charges and then have to go off for a spa weekend to recover whilst realising they don't actually have anything in common with the real people.
    I can imagine a scenario

    Champagne Socialist: Well done guys, we really showed those funeral people!
    Normal Working class protester: **** off, thanks for the donation now go back to cuckoo land mate! Actually before you go mate, set me a score i need a dives!
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    And the champagne socialists such as full of surprises will experience kettling and police charges and then have to go off for a spa weekend to recover whilst realising they don't actually have anything in common with the real people.
    I sometimes think "champagne socialist" is THE favourite smear of the right - it's their fondest hope that somehow the working class have fully defected and will no longer defend their own real interests and that it is left to a few wealthy liberals. The smear was imported from the US where it has long been a staple of the Republican Right.

    In fact, despite these Daily Mail smear campaigns, it remains clear that most of the opposition to these state propaganda campaigns is coming from people across the class spectrum.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Harold Wilson forced the big oil companies (against a **** storm of criticism, plots to subvert his aims, etc) to bid for their North Sea oil licenses and screwed a very large tax take out of them for the privilege of subsequent drilling.
    Punishing companies for being successful is nothing to be proud of. Why should he get a state funeral for that?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I was thinking of Sky News, also of course, Sky broadcast most of the commercial radio news and many UK viewers watch Fox.
    If by many you mean "105,000 a week" (when, by contrast, the BBC News channel records 10m+ viewers a week), then yes, evidently the 'problem' is substantial... :rolleyes:
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9D38J0yH9w

    LOVE THIS!
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I sometimes think "champagne socialist" is THE favourite smear of the right - it's their fondest hope that somehow the working class have fully defected and will no longer defend their own real interests and that it is left to a few wealthy liberals. The smear was imported from the US where it has long been a staple of the Republican Right.

    In fact, despite these Daily Mail smear campaigns, it remains clear that most of the opposition to these state propaganda campaigns is coming from people across the class spectrum.
    The term doesn't exist in the USA. Hypocritical socialists are called Limousine Liberals.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I've thought of that too. To my mind, the most appropriate thing would be to wait until Cameron and the leading Tories pass (they after all have orchestrated this PR exercize, which Thatcher herself dreamed up, but which Labour eerily and spinelessly capitulated to) and turn backs on them, so as not to show disrespect for the dead.
    Labour didn't do nothing, they helped form the plans a few years back when they were in government .
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    (Original post by Tahooper)
    Just because you don't respect her doesn't mean everybody doesn't, there's no need to include any "cult of personality" claims here.

    The amount of public money being spent on her funeral is nanoscopic compared to the money lost from benefit fraud and tax evasion.
    I certainly do respect Maggie - on balance, I'm quite the fan. What I don't respect is the current government, the ones (re)creating the cult of personality. After the wedding, the Jubilee and the Olympics they've certainly caught the bug for these big jingoistic events, to distract from domestic economic problems, as happens the world over, notably in Argentina and North Korea. I'm not sure Maggie would have thought much of them either to be honest.
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    The term doesn't exist in the USA. Hypocritical socialists are called Limousine Liberals.
    It's a direct transfer of the "trust fund babies" smear rolled out at every protest in the US by Fox News, etc.
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    This whole champagne socialist thing is so lazy. The DM story cited above is also a massive pile of ****.

    What a right wing thing to do... to not focus on what convictions someone holds, but their wealth.
 
 
 
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