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    (Original post by lucaf)
    do you actually understand how "sick" jokes work? they are not finding peoples tadgedy hilarious, nobody finds saying "haha you got raped" to an actual rape victim amusing. people may make light of a dark situation, but they are not actually insulting the victims. joking about something is not the same as condoning it. when a fireman I know joked he is a pat time arsonist to keep up demand, I thik he still frowned on actual arson.
    Yes I do know how they work. They do find people's tragedy hilarious, just because there is no direct subject doesn't mean there is not a subject at all. How can you make light of rape? It's not a light subject. I personally think making jokes about it makes people think it's ok as well. Like when boys at uni joke about rape and think it's 'banter'. Encouraging people to joke about it makes it seem ok. It's a dangerous thing to joke about. Do you find racist jokes funny?
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    Yes I do know how they work. They do find people's tragedy hilarious, just because there is no direct subject doesn't mean there is not a subject at all. How can you make light of rape? It's not a light subject. I personally think making jokes about it makes people think it's ok as well. Like when boys at uni joke about rape and think it's 'banter'. Encouraging people to joke about it makes it seem ok. It's a dangerous thing to joke about. Do you find racist jokes funny?
    nobody finds peoples tradgedy hilarious. when you make a dark joke, it does not mean that you find rape or murder funny. when you make a joke about something you are showing it as something petty and laughable, not somthing to be respected or emulated.

    and yes I do find racist jokes funny, although I am sure to make them with people who know I am not actually serious about them. when I told a classmate I was going to farm him and his family for his self proclaimed superior nigerian hair, he knew I wasn't seriously being racist. ethnic banter, fun times for all.
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    May I direct you to a particularly pertinent quote from Stephen Fry:

    "It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****ing what.”
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    Well seeing as my mum volunteers for the police and is a solicitor specialising in personal injury claims, and my Aunt is head of HR for 3 hospitals, yes I do know many policemen/medical professionals actually. None of whom make crass jokes about the people they protect.

    Yes, I'm childish. Ok. Look at you, you're so big and grown up that you find other people's tragedy hilarious. Clearly I am the childish one here. Let's agree to disagree.
    Do you actually know them though? Or are you merely acquaintances? I'm guessing the majority fall into the latter category. How old are you out of interest?

    You know what's telling? I never said I find the sort of jokes we're talking about all that funny, I simply said it's hypocritical and childish to get so worked up about such things when I'm sure you find something funny that would offend someone else. I bet you're the kind of person that will be writing letters to the BBC or Channel 4 in a few years whining that something offended you.
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    I think it depends who you're with. When with regular friends where that humor is common, it'd be harmless, like those "prepare to be raped" memes with sloths. If you're with new people (who's background you don't know) or people who you know have experienced rape or murder somewhere in their life it's rude to do it since you can bring up some bad memories. If you don't feel comfortable with it just don't mention it or laugh when they come up, same way I don't laugh at homophobic jokes.
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    No, but the world is not gonna stop doing it
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    Depends what the joke is
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    Yes, but obviously not to someone who knows someone who's recently been a victim of such. But it's still something we should allow to be joked about.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Do you actually know them though? Or are you merely acquaintances? I'm guessing the majority fall into the latter category. How old are you out of interest?

    You know what's telling? I never said I find the sort of jokes we're talking about all that funny, I simply said it's hypocritical and childish to get so worked up about such things when I'm sure you find something funny that would offend someone else. I bet you're the kind of person that will be writing letters to the BBC or Channel 4 in a few years whining that something offended you.
    Well as I am 20 and therefore yes, I am old enough to be friends with adults, I do count them as friends rather than acquaintances. We have solicitors, barristers, policemen and med professionals round for dinner a lot etc. I would count the policemen/solicitors/barristers more in the 'friend' category because their jobs are relevant to what I study now as they text/email me to see how I'm doing but we also have some very good family friends who work in radiography and a couple who are doctors.

    I'm not worked up over them, I don't find them offensive. Just in general I have found that the type of people who make these jokes are the kind of loud, brash, in your face people who I generally don't want to associate with either. Perhaps I am old beyond my years. I won't ever write to TV providers if I'm offended, they can show what they want. But when it comes to who I surround myself with I don't associate with people who make crass jokes and I don't find them funny. That doesn't mean I will tell anyone else not to make those jokes or try to stop you from finding it funny. I just wouldn't want a friend who makes those jokes and I wouldn't laugh even if everyone else was. My personal preference, I don't go round shouting my mouth off about how disgusting people are in real life, I am merely stating on here my opinion which I am equally as entitled to as you are to yours.
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    Well seeing as my mum volunteers for the police and is a solicitor specialising in personal injury claims, and my Aunt is head of HR for 3 hospitals, yes I do know many policemen/medical professionals actually. None of whom make crass jokes about the people they protect.

    Yes, I'm childish. Ok. Look at you, you're so big and grown up that you find other people's tragedy hilarious. Clearly I am the childish one here. Let's agree to disagree.
    it's not laughing at people who have been a victim, it's making light of something bad, like jokes about the Nazi's. But it doesn't mean you find it funny. Every comedian would tell you it's wrong and disgusting.
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    No because you wouldn't like someone joking about you getting murdered or raped...
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    (Original post by StacFace)
    I voted yes because it's not the subject matter than makes a joke unnacceptable, it's the intent behind the joke.
    No the subject matter is still very important as I still feel making rape/murder jokes trivialises it somewhat, like its no big deal. My mates would be horrified of rape/murder/ jokes regardless of whether it's happened to their family, maybe it's the way they've been brought up I don't know. There's so many other jokes you can tell without the need to mention terrible crimes such as that.
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    (Original post by HanAsh)
    Fair enough. Personally I feel that joking about things like rape trivialises it and makes the actual act appear more acceptable. To those people without the ability to understand social norms (e.g psychopaths), hearing jokes about rape may enforce the idea that rape is acceptable, a dangerous situation. I realise this is a worse-case scenario, but it's worth thinking about.
    Is there any actual proof of this? It seems extremely unlikely that psychopaths would think rape is fine just because they heard a rape joke. Besides, most jokes about rape aren't urging people to do it.
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    (Original post by CJKay)


    If you can't laugh at the crap life throws at you what do you laugh at?

    /conversation
    that kid is a legend!
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    (Original post by HanAsh)
    Fair enough. Personally I feel that joking about things like rape trivialises it and makes the actual act appear more acceptable. To those people without the ability to understand social norms (e.g psychopaths), hearing jokes about rape may enforce the idea that rape is acceptable, a dangerous situation. I realise this is a worse-case scenario, but it's worth thinking about.
    This is exactly my feeling as to why I find it distasteful. Mentioning crimes such as rape/murder in a joke makes it seem less of a big deal imo & nothing has changed my mind so far.
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    (Original post by Multitalented me)
    No the subject matter is still very important as I still feel making rape/murder jokes trivialises it somewhat, like its no big deal. My mates would be horrified of rape/murder/ jokes regardless of whether it's happened to their family, maybe it's the way they've been brought up I don't know. There's so many other jokes you can tell without the need to mention terrible crimes such as that.
    Telling a joke about murder, rape or anything else along those lines doesn't mean you find those acts themselves funny or trivial in the same way telling a blonde joke doesn't actually mean you think all blondes are dumb. Hence why it's called a joke and not a statement. It's the play on words or double meaning etc that you are laughing at, not the act.

    I also know people who are offended by certain types of jokes, I therefore don't share such jokes with them. That's not because the jokes are wrong, but because my intent would be wrong.

    On the last point you could say that about literally everything people do and say, it's not a reason for people to not do something.
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    (Original post by StacFace)
    Telling a joke about murder, rape or anything else along those lines doesn't mean you find those acts themselves funny or trivial in the same way telling a blonde joke doesn't actually mean you think all blondes are dumb. Hence why it's called a joke and not a statement. It's the play on words or double meaning etc that you are laughing at, not the act.

    I also know people who are offended by certain types of jokes, I therefore don't share such jokes with them. That's not because the jokes are wrong, but because my intent would be wrong.

    On the last point you could say that about literally everything people do and say, it's not a reason for people to not do something.
    Nope because rape/murder are terrible crimes that no one would want to happen to your family & a joke is meant to be funny, when you mention things like that in a joke I cannot see how it doesn't make it sound less serious, which makes it wrong straight away, the intent doesn't matter it's the fact that you are using such emotive terms in a light-hearted way which is just not right. I don't even get your last point, surely there's a line where jokes become unacceptable such as including the horrific acts that I mentioned, you're trying to compare joking about dumb blondes with murder & rape there's different levels of offensive btw. I also do have a sense of humour & don't mind people insulting me as a joke so long as it's not about killing or being racist towards me for example, that's when I'd start to find it unacceptable.
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    (Original post by Multitalented me)
    Nope because rape/murder are terrible crimes that no one would want to happen to your family & a joke is meant to be funny, when you mention things like that in a joke I cannot see how it doesn't make it sound less serious, which makes it wrong straight away, the intent doesn't matter it's the fact that you are using such emotive terms in a light-hearted way which is just not right. I don't even get your last point, surely there's a line where jokes become unacceptable such as including the horrific acts that I mentioned, you're trying to compare joking about dumb blondes with murder & rape there's different levels of offensive btw. I also do have a sense of humour & don't mind people insulting me as a joke so long as it's not about killing or being racist towards me for example, that's when I'd start to find it unacceptable.
    It's the play on words that is designed to be funny, the rape/murder is just there because it has to be to make the joke work. There are different levels of offensive but I was using something less offensive in order to explain my point, as I thought you would agree that it's not unacceptable to tell a blonde joke with good intentions. It is further along the scale but it is still on that scale and the same principles do apply.

    If you think dumb blonde jokes are acceptable then applying the logic you've used for rape/murder jokes you must also think it is acceptable to make fun of people because of their hair colour. If you don't think they're acceptable then you must find most jokes unnacceptable as a lot of them are vaguely offensive in this way to someone.
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    (Original post by StacFace)
    It's the play on words that is designed to be funny, the rape/murder is just there because it has to be to make the joke work. There are different levels of offensive but I was using something less offensive in order to explain my point, as I thought you would agree that it's not unacceptable to tell a blonde joke with good intentions. It is further along the scale but it is still on that scale and the same principles do apply.

    If you think dumb blonde jokes are acceptable then applying the logic you've used for rape/murder jokes you must also think it is acceptable to make fun of people because of their hair colour. If you don't think they're acceptable then you must find most jokes unnacceptable as a lot of them are vaguely offensive in this way to someone.
    I think scale matters a lot tbh, I love jokes but these are just some I would struggle to find funny, same with jokes about 9/11 for instance, I could use a play on words but I think most people would be pretty unimpressed. On the other hand if someone was to joke about my appearance or the culture I could find it funny tbh. Also some religious jokes I found funny like this one I saw on a forum:

    A child goes to a baptism with his parents and, as the priest dipped the baby's head into the font, asked them "Why is that man brain-washing that baby?"

    Now I know some Christians would be offended by this but I'm not religious myself, feel there is a lack of evidence to suggest any religion is the true one & people take it too seriously anyway.
 
 
 
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