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    (Original post by flyingarmbarman)
    please block the names of the convicted and we can all try and guess them - i going to take a wild punt the names have a certin arab-semtic origin- "mohammed azam, abdul mohammed, hussain iqbal?"
    That's you taking a wild stab in the dark is it? (Actually, a wild stab (with a rusty 12" blade) is what I'd like to take at these animals' nut sacks)
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    This is absolutely disgusting.

    What I'm wondering is when the boot boys from the UAF and other hate groups turn up in support of the Oxford paedophiles outside court, just as they did in the Rochdale case. Keep burying your heads in the sand lads.

    May God bless these poor girls. And I hope this scum rot in hell.
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    As soon as I saw the title I thought they may have Pakistani origins. Is it acceptable behaviour over there or something?


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    These prison wings must be so full of pakistani men it's like a social club on the inside for them.
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    Wow what a surprise, they're Pakistani Muslim and were abusing white girls, I'm so shocked :/

    At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I would bet that the reason these paedophiles got away with abusing the girls for so long, even after complaints to the police, is because the police are worried about disrupting relations with the Muslim community or whatever they call it and are scared to investigate Muslims like these.
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    Death Penalty.
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    BNP's been reporting these since the 90's only in the last few years the rest were forced to take notice.
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    Question for a few members in this thread - if this is typical behaviour of 'many Asian cultures', to paraphrase what someone has already said in this thread, is Jimmy Savile, Dave Lee Travis, Rolf Harris, William Roache, Gary Glitter, Jim Davidson, Freddie Starr, Max Clifford, Stuart Hall and Jimmy Tarbuck typical behaviour of elderly white Christian men?
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    No True Scotsmen abounds.

    The majority of people from their ethnic origins are Muslim, along with the fact that their names imply it. It may be a bit of a generalisation, but it's a pretty sound conclusion to draw, add to that of course, those of similar ethnic origin and apparent religion accused of similar crimes have turned out to be Muslim. I'll agree that cultural issues are probably more to blame than Islam, but I reject that Islam has no hand it. So no, I'll not ignore these factors to appease your liberal PC sensibilities.
    Last time I checked Islam wasn't listed as ethnicity. Of course they are descendants of families with Islamic faith, its obvious given by their names. But we should refrain ourselves from calling them Muslims, unless they choose to identify themselves as such. It is the same as not to assume some one is a christian just because his name is James. I think more investigations need to be done before or if they can be generalized as Muslims.

    I wouldn't say the same if this was a case of terrorism for example, in light of the astonishing evidence of the link between Islam and Terrorism. There isn't shortage of videos of people chanting Islamic phrases as they commit atrocities. But this is a case where we don't know yet, so to quickly label them Muslims when Islam is not ethnicity shows prejudice not a sound way of analyzing a serious issue.
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    (Original post by de_monies)
    Reading through that, it's pretty obvious that's satirical ie: he ends it with "How can I be racist. I have white friends" which is the line that racists tend to use.
    If you actually believe the article to be satirical then can I respectfully suggest that you remove your head from your arse and read some of the other work by this journalist.

    He writes on a fairly regular basis about institutional racism, whether it be the media, education or the police. I think he'd be dreadfully disappointed that someone inexplicably interpreted his work as a piece of satire.
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    (Original post by Meron)
    Last time I checked Islam wasn't listed as ethnicity. Of course they are descendants of families with Islamic faith, its obvious given by their names. But we should refrain ourselves from calling them Muslims, unless they choose to identify themselves as such. It is the same as not to assume some one is a christian just because his name is James. I think more investigations need to be done before or if they can be generalized as Muslims
    You're right of course but given that Islam is strongly associated with certain ethnicities, you can understand why people do it.

    I wonder how many people, living in the Uk, who identify themselves as Christians are of Pakistani heritage. Not many I bet.
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    When these people are taking examples from there prophet, who had sex with a child, then im really not surprised that they think its ok to do it
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    (Original post by jerem)
    When these people are taking examples from there prophet, who had sex with a child, then im really not surprised that they think its ok to do it
    If it was a group of Christian believers who had been found guilty of child abuse (which yes, has happened), would you blame God?
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    Why I think this sort of thing is becoming an alarmingly/increasingly frequent occurrence:

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    "It's likely a combination of factors, theoretically including:

    • Psychological factors: Deviant psyches (there is no other explanation for why someone would wish to rape a pre-pubescent girl), possibly with some history of direct/indirect exposure to abuse

    • Cultural factors: (Pakistani)-Muslim society is highly patriarchal, women are broadly regarded as 2nd class citizens, and those women who present themselves a certain way/go out without a chaperone are looked down upon. Masturbation, sex before marriage etc are equally frowned upon, and Asian men often find it difficult to 'find their release' because of this and also, arguably, as few women from outside their culture tend to go for them (not being racist, it's just a fact of life). In some respects you might argue, given, for example, the use of the pejorative '****s' by some of the convicts in the Shropshire case, that these men are abusing young women - whose crime-enabling casual attitudes and vulnerabilities are themselves arguably a product of some of the things that Islamists interpret as being fundamentally wrong in the west e.g. attitudes to female sexual liberty and empowerment etc - in order to in some way punish Western society and its mal-culture. It's tantamount to weaponised sex-terror when interpreted thus

    • Community differentiation: 'You don't poop on your own doorstep'

    • Religious differentiation: 'Them and us' re: the (lesser/impure) kafir; this likely makes it somehow more acceptable to use and abuse women who fit this criterion

    • Ethnic differentiation: 'Them and us' re: white folk; as above ^^

    • Pack mentality/pressure in gangs: There's usually some kind of a ring leader(s), without whom it's perfectly feasible that some rape gangs would never emerge

    • Calculated Targeting: They doubtless know that selecting young, vulnerable, non-financially independent girls will increase their chances of scoring 'by hook or by crook', and selecting girls who are less well educated/have less social capital makes detection (by their guardians/the authorities), reporting (by the victims) and prosecution all the less likely"


    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    We are no longer culturally cohesive, enjoy the results.
    Interesting that you believe we were in the past.. when do you place the watershed moment at? :beard:

    (Original post by Lucky260)
    Plenty of Muslims who believe what happened does not match their religious beliefs (like with 9/11) and was entirely grotesque
    "Only 17% of British Muslims believe that Arabs carried out the September 11th attacks". Repent ye not

    Source: http://my.telegraph.co.uk/danielpyco...ink-of-the-uk/

    (Original post by *Dreaming*)
    This country is too soft on this filth. They should be deported immediatey
    (Original post by Ronove)
    I don't recall seeing any information suggesting that they were immigrants.
    Do you feel the same about all immigrant groups *Dreaming*? When it comes to things like assault rape, for example, there is a far higher prevalence among black men than any other ethnic group in certain areas e.g. London..

    As per Ronove’s comment - where does one draw the line *Dreaming*? 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen? We've 'naturalised' these people/communities.. well, we haven’t, successive generations of self-serving (NIMBY) liberal ****s who ‘run’ the country have..

    (Original post by Al-Mudaari)
    You do know there's White Muslims right? I don't think they'd care about what religion the girl is
    You wanna tell me none of the gang members or their clients would have blinked had one of them got down on their hands and needs and started pleading with them and reciting relevant excerpts of the Koran?

    Remember what happened when the Muslim mob stormed the UN compound in Kabul? They decapitated several members of staff but spared one or two who could recite “ā ʾilāha ʾillā l-Lāh, Muḥammadur rasūlu l-Lāh”. Same principal
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    (Original post by Meron)
    Last time I checked Islam wasn't listed as ethnicity. Of course they are descendants of families with Islamic faith, its obvious given by their names. But we should refrain ourselves from calling them Muslims, unless they choose to identify themselves as such. It is the same as not to assume some one is a christian just because his name is James. I think more investigations need to be done before or if they can be generalized as Muslims.

    I wouldn't say the same if this was a case of terrorism for example, in light of the astonishing evidence of the link between Islam and Terrorism. There isn't shortage of videos of people chanting Islamic phrases as they commit atrocities. But this is a case where we don't know yet, so to quickly label them Muslims when Islam is not ethnicity shows prejudice not a sound way of analyzing a serious issue.
    Did I ever state that 'Muslim' was an ethnicity? I meant East Asian and North/West African. I'd say it's safe to assume they identify as Muslim until evidence points the other way, as the majority of people with such names, from such places are. Just as if someone called James were to commit such acts I'd assume they are a moderate Christian/irreligious, assuming it happened in the UK.
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    (Original post by thombo1)
    Question for a few members in this thread - if this is typical behaviour of 'many Asian cultures', to paraphrase what someone has already said in this thread, is Jimmy Savile, Dave Lee Travis, Rolf Harris, William Roache, Gary Glitter, Jim Davidson, Freddie Starr, Max Clifford, Stuart Hall and Jimmy Tarbuck typical behaviour of elderly white Christian men?
    This is merely sidestepping the point. As I said before, it is negligent to avoid discussing if there are cultural causes for the sake of political correctness. By all means, investigate the incidences of these old white Christian men (although I'd suspect that has something to do with their position in society), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be asking ourselves why these Pakistanis or those of middle eastern origin are commiting these disgusting acts.

    Ultimately, we all want to prevent this from happening again. And that's not going to happen if we don't discover the under-lying issues first.
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    This act is disgusting and the men who did it should be punished greatly but this has got nothing to do with religion.
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    (Original post by Xotol)
    This is merely sidestepping the point. As I said before, it is negligent to avoid discussing if there are cultural causes for the sake of political correctness. By all means, investigate the incidences of these old white Christian men (although I'd suspect that has something to do with their position in society), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be asking ourselves why these Pakistanis or those of middle eastern origin are commiting these disgusting acts.

    Ultimately, we all want to prevent this from happening again. And that's not going to happen if we don't discover the under-lying issues first.
    Of course, I fully agree. But it becomes dangerous when people take such delicate issues and paint all of Islam as being a degenerate, child-abusing religion. There's many Muslims who realise that Islam should not be followed to the letter if it flouts 21st century British law, just like many Christians realise the same about their religion.

    I'm not religious in the slightest, but some of the replies in this thread make me feel uncomfortable. It's good that people are intelligently discussing the underlying, root cause of child abuses, but there's quite a few posts which are nothing more than outright racism under the guise of moral outrage.

    All I'm asking is that when men like Ariel Castro, who was behind the abuse of those women in Cleveland last week, or Josef Fritzl, was charged, there was very little discussion of why...it was just assumed they were abnormal and perverted. But when Muslim men are found guilty of such crimes, the entire religion is often put under suspicion.

    All I'm saying in this thread is to urge caution. I don't want to be overly-politically correct, but it can be deceptively easy to fall into the trap of blaming an entire culture for the actions of a minority. Most posters here have replied with intelligent, thoughtful responses so far, I'm only pointing out several members here.
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    White gangs get no where near as much attention as Asian gangs by the media.
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    Vile. of course bad people come in all shapes, colours and sizes.

    However the fact the all the convicted were of pakistani origin, that all the victims were white and that all the 'customers' of these gangs were muslim . Is deeply disturbing as it alludes to ugly cultural and ethnic divisions being exposed within our society. We are no longer culturally cohesive, enjoy the results.
    Funny how you make nothing of it when there's white rapists caught (which is everyday), there's only a few hundred asians who have ever been caught for such crimes out of millions of asians. White gangs get no where near as much media attention.
 
 
 
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