62% of women have rape fantasies?!! ladies , care to explain? Watch

Poll: have you had fantasies about being raped?
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(Original post by pandabird)
The difference between rape fantasies and actual rape is that the woman is completely in control when fantasizing about rape.

It's not actually rape because she chose to fantasize about it, it's pseudo-rape
Hmmm so what would you think if 62% of males had thoughts about child rape but it was purely a fantasy ...
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Hmmm so what would you think if 62% of males had thoughts about child rape but it was purely a fantasy ...
Wtf. That is the complete reverse :confused:. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

A better analogy would be that 62% of males had fantasies about being raped by an adult in childhood.
And that still makes no sense.
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Just for curiosities sake did you enjoy it?

My partner likes being forced but she always knows that if she ever got uncomfortable then she only had to say so and id stop
Yes I did, although it was only to satisfy a curiosity. Never did it again though.
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You cannot WANT to be raped. There is no such thing as "choosing to have a fantasy about being raped" according to the actual definition of being raped (buy a ****ing dictionary, *please*!) for THAT reason. Yes, you can imagine out in your head being dominated by some random stranger or whatever, or being tied up, or treated roughly - but the whole POINT of it being a FANTASY in your damn HEAD is that *you can stop it whenever you want.* Even when this is acted out in consensual BDSM, there is a SAFEWORD so people can STOP IT WHENEVER THEY WANT. So even if someone is saying No in that case, saying the safeword still gives her the power to stop it.

The whole POINT of REAL rape is that it is NOT done with the woman's consent. Hence, you *cannot* stop it whenever you want.

This is a stupid, ****ty fail thread and frankly I'm utterly disgusted that TSR allows stuff like this.

OP, grow the **** up and don't make threads that imply women want to be raped.
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Just shows you how sick women are.

A lot of women like violent men too.
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Just shows you how sick women are.

A lot of women like violent men too.
Yes it's all the women's fault they're getting raped and beaten!

Shut the **** up.
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personally, i am offended by the word ''rape''. i think we should all call it ''untenderly love''.
I'm offended by your dehumanising attitude towards women.

Seriously, TSR, I can't believe a thread like this goes on for ONE ****ING WEEK and nobody sees an issue with it.
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(Original post by Voyager_2002)
The key word is "fantasy": lots of people get excited by imagining things that they would hate in real life.
This, like incest porn. But the though of it in real life is disgusting.

Its about control and dominance, not a stranger raping you lol
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Yes it's all the women's fault they're getting raped and beaten!

Shut the **** up.
If women had an ounce of common sense then it would not happen as often.
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Think of it like how people get a kick out of FPS games, like CoD or whatever, but would ****ing crap themselves if you dropped them in an actual warzone. It's not something people actually want to do.

When you imagine yourself a hero in a game, you still imagine yourself as this strong, fast, invincible John McClane-esque figure. In reality, you're a pathetic nobody who'll would be torn apart in minutes.

Likewise, when women imagine rape fantasies, it's from a very safe vantage point. There's never any real danger to them, they just like the idea of rough "involuntary" sex that's given to them forcefully. They still imagine it feeling good. They still imagine wanting more. Real rape is nothing like the fantasy. Real rape is terrifying, dangerous and traumatic. No one wants that. Remember, when a women imagines this scenario, she still has the option to say no. She is in control of the fantasy and can chose to stop imagining at any point. So it's never a violation of her in the way true rape is.

Hope I helped.
Exactly.

It's perfectly fine for people to fantasize about stuff that never occurs in real life. And, again, the difference is that they're in control.

A huge segment of the young male population fantasizes about murdering people in the most gory and violent manner - and then go to act this out in graphic detail in video games. Often, they're also killed themselves in these games.

Only someone with some kind of weird agenda would say that "THE FANTASY MAKES NO DIFFERENCE 111 THOSE BOYS MUST SECRETLY WANT TO BE MURDERED IN REAL LIFE AND KILL PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE TOO"

And what kind of agenda is that? The agenda that says: I have the right to do whatever I want to a woman, IT'S FINE BECAUSE SHE WANTS IT REALLY. The agenda that "THE WORD RAPE OFFENDS MEEE BECAUSE I HAVE A RIGHT TO WOMENS' BODIES AND **** THEIR RIGHTS," as OP pretty much said on page 3.
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Since when have men got to tell women that having a rape fantasy means they secretly actually DO want to be raped in real life?

How convenient.

How ****ing convenient.
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This is a stupid, ****ty fail thread and frankly I'm utterly disgusted that TSR allows stuff like this.
Wah wah wah. I don't like discussing something therefore it should be banned.

For anyone who actually wants to read the research before commenting, see here: http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/...ssertation.pdf

Sexual fantasy is a perfectly valid area of research.
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http://thefatalfeminist.com/2011/09/...-rape-fantasy/

This is just another way / excuse for people to water-down the word rape and escape all responsibility.
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Wah wah wah, how dare the wimmenz get offended at us big menfolks trying to downplay their very real issue of rape culture! Shut the **** up and don't dare trivialise my getting justifiably pissed off at this thread, clever. :rolleyes:

The OP is quite clearly trying to downplay rape by arguing that women really want it (see his previous threads AND the post on page 3 where he said that rape should be rephrased as rough love or some crap.) You seem unable to understand things in context, y'know, the way things should actually be read. This is not a thread just about "do women have rape fantasies?" This is a thread where the OP and numerous other ****ty posters have implied, time and time again, that based on women having rape fantasies WOMEN WANT TO BE RAPED.

"She really wanted it!" is an argument rapists have used since time ****ing IMMEMORIAL, and TSR allowing a thread where people (mostly men, surprise surprise) are discussing whether women REALLY DO WANT RAPE is what I'm taking issue with. :rolleyes:

If you're incapable of understanding that, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, I don't have time for this ****.

Over and out. :rolleyes:
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I don't really agree with your criticisms. It sounds to me like you only read the abstract! The authors clearly state:


Items 1-8 of the checklist are as follows:

1. Being overpowered or forced by a man to surrender sexually against my will.
2. Being overpowered or forced by a woman to surrender sexually against my will.
3. Being overpowered or forced into a sexual act against my will because I was incapacitated due to drugs, alcohol, or sleep.
4. Being overpowered or forced by a man to give him oral sex.
5. Being overpowered or forced by a woman to give her oral sex.
6. Being overpowered or forced to have anal sex.
7. Being raped by a man.
8. Being raped by a woman.

I don't think those definitions are at all arbitrary, and I think they're a very comprehensive view of how someone might view their fantasy. Subjects were required to answer all 8 questions on a scale from 0 (never) to 6 (several times a day). For the other methods of measure used in the study (the sexual fantasy log and Kanin's question), the definition was equally clear. Either using the word "rape" directly, or using the legal definition of rape as suggests above.

The authors don't extrapolate their data outside of the population sample (US Southwestern female undergraduates), so I don't think your 2nd criticism is really a valid appraisal of the study. This sort of limitation is the case with almost all human studies and is not a flaw in the study design - subsequent extrapolation from the population sample is a flaw of the data interpretor. In fact, the authors address this themselves:


3) I totally agree! I don't doubt that self-selection bias has systematically raised the reported prevalence (this is why repetition and consistency are so important in epidemiological studies!), but researchers incentivised participation with extra credit so as to attempt to lessen this effect - although it still remains significant.

4) Not at all. When someone wishes to measure prevalence and frequency, I don't think such methods are limiting at all! The authors want to investigate the existence of rape fantasies - and with their comprehensive definitions - I think they do this well. Epidemiological studies do similar when trying to measure the prevalence of disease: defining a case, then simply looking at databases (or even sometimes surveying subjects) to see if they meet the criteria. This is what's been done here.

I think the most interesting finding are here:
However, the 62% figure is conflated by the combination of different items in the checklist. To give raw results:

Item 1: 52% reported having this fantasy
Item 2: 18% reported having this fantasy
Item 3: 25% reported having this fantasy
Item 4: 28% reported having this fantasy
Item 5: 10% reported having this fantasy
Item 6: 17% reported having this fantasy
Item 7: 33% reported having this fantasy
Item 8: 10% reported having this fantasy

The raw results give an interesting perspective on how the subjects view what "rape" actually is, imo. Given the disparity between item 7 directly asking "how often do you fantasise about being raped by a man?" and item 1 that asks "how often do you fantasise asking about being forced to surrender sexually to a man against your will?"

However, when subjects were asked to discuss a sexual fantasy that involved the use of coercion or aggression. Only a quarter of women wrote about, what qualified in the case definition, as a rape fantasy.

Interesting study, imo. I think the study is totally valid, but the measurements of prevalence and frequency have been artificially increased by the biases present and the statistical analysis used. Would like to see other authors replicate the same study.



All definitions used by the authors explicitly note "lack of consent" as a part of the criteria, with the exception of items 4 - 6, which introduces a potential source of ambiguity for the study subjects.
Excellent post! Written much better than I would have been able to. PRSOM.
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I'm offended by your dehumanising attitude towards women.

Seriously, TSR, I can't believe a thread like this goes on for ONE ****ING WEEK and nobody sees an issue with it.
shhh no more tears...

show your feminazi links to the 60% of women who fantasize about being raped. they are dehumanizing themselves . i only asked the question why.
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Okay genuine question here, no sarcasm - If women these days have so many strong feelings about feminism and female empowerment then why do a lot of them have fantasies about being dominated by a male? Surely that's just hypocritical...fantasy or not?
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Okay genuine question here, no sarcasm - If women these days have so many strong feelings about feminism and female empowerment then why do a lot of them have fantasies about being dominated by a male? Surely that's just hypocritical...fantasy or not?
because they are naturally submissive and love domination. and that's not cool to acknowledge in our modern pc world. but millions of years of evolution cannot be erased by mere seconds of social engineering so they struggle with it.
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Pretty much as said, women don't literally fantasise about being attacked at night and forcefully raped, this is just sex where the male is being totally dominant over them, BUT where they'd still have the power to say stop if it became painful/distressing.

I imagine it's partly a biological throwback, for most animals the male forces himself on the female when she is in oestrus.

I don't think the same percentage of man have rape fantasies, but I doubt it's uncommon for men to fantasise about being dominant over a female in the same sort of circumstances.
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because they are naturally submissive and love domination. and that's not cool to acknowledge in our modern pc world. but millions of years of evolution cannot be erased by mere seconds of social engineering so they struggle with it.
Women are diverse. Not all women are 'naturally submissive' or love domination. Men are also diverse. Not all men are outgoing and alphas, for example.
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