State school kids are less intelligent than other types. Discuss.

Am I a state school kid?

Nursery - Year 11 : (****) state schools
Sixth Form: private

Depends at what age the comparison was made.

I like calling myself a state schooler

I'm not like the others!

But one of the reasons private schoolers are more intelligent is because many of them have a selective intake.

Is it true that state(meaning here average comps and below, excluding grammar, so non-selective maintained schools) school students academically are less able than private/grammar/boarding/private candidates.

I am classifying grammar schools to be separate to state, i.e. King Edwards, Colchester Grammar go under grammar and not state.

Also not including schools like K12 and those that have high entry requirements for students i.e. Hills etc.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/leaguetables/10590089/Top-100-secondary-schools-by-A-level-results-2013.html

Obviously I know of some users in particular here, who are extremely smart and go to state comps, but on the whole state=worse Big picture guys.

Also plz none of the James Dyson, Alan Sugar responses - talking about the current crop, plus those entrepreneurs had great ideas anyway.

Discuss.

I hope you mean ratio by "amount" otherwise your point is irrelevant since there are more state school students than private school students overall.

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But then it simply a truism

"rich people have more money"

"people who can run faster win more 100m races"

Independent schools get better exam results and university entrance is linked to school exam performance.

Lol they needed me to fill a quota the week before school started because someone dropped out. I'm not complaining, got a free private education

They're just so hard working it's crazy.

This is a pointless question. I've had experience of both and you find thick state school kids, but also thick private school kids. But you also find very clever state school kids and very clever private school kids (which is what a lot of jealous state schoolers tend to forget as many seem to believe that we are all privileged, snobbish toffs who are destined to become billionaires). The aforementioned snobs don't really exist at the vast majority of private schools (which are definitely not all Etons and Harrows as many people seem to think; most are a lot more modest in their means). So I guess this question doesn't really have an answer, since obviously you can't equate a parent's money with their child's intelligence, and although at some selective private schools and state grammar schools there will be a few more clever kids than is the norm, you find a healthy mix of abilities at both private and state schools. And P.S, a private school education isn't a million times better than a state school one like so many seem to think; private schools still have some awful teachers and almost everyone has access to specifications, textbooks, past papers and a trillion resources online nowadays regardless of which school system you are in. Its up to you to make the best use of them.

I appreciate what you are saying but my point is about the paucity of underpinning data. Effectively that research isn't a study of separated twins.

I wonder how many different pairs of separated twins have ever been studied and how many of those are really different environments as opposed to one kid being brought up by a coal miner in one West Virginia coal mining community and the other kid brought up by a mechanic in another West Virginia coal mining community 20 miles down the road with the researcher trying to draw profound distinctions between the socio-economic position of miners and mechanics in West Virginian coal-mining communities.

Did you get a full ride?



Well you could consider this - the people coming out with the 7 A stars at A Level tend to go to the top grammar schools, also from those on here who have done well - the vast majority have gone to private schools.

Also the smarter ones who go average comps. gcse on here generally uproot and go to private/grammar.

And those that get mediocre grades and then end up doing well in future tend to go to average comps - hence justifying that there is a difference

But I would still consider a student's ethos in their desire to study than other factors to an extent.

Also reg comps only care about league tables, and the world class bs whereas in grammar/private etc. they give more support/encouragement on things like BM01, better trips etc.

Did you get a full ride?



Well you could consider this - the people coming out with the 7 A stars at A Level tend to go to the top grammar schools, also from those on here who have done well - the vast majority have gone to private schools.

Also the smarter ones who go average comps. gcse on here generally uproot and go to private/grammar.

And those that get mediocre grades and then end up doing well in future tend to go to average comps - hence justifying that there is a difference

But I would still consider a student's ethos in their desire to study than other factors to an extent.

Also reg comps only care about league tables, and the world class bs whereas in grammar/private etc. they give more support/encouragement on things like BM01, better trips etc.

I agree that private schools in general tend to get higher grades, because of a combination of more attention and parents who are often more encouraging of hard work, but I don't think grades reflect intelligence as well as they should - nowadays, a lot of the people who get the highest grades aren't necessarily the brightest, but are the hardest-working. Private schools tend to have a more conducive environment to high-achieveing (and thus pushing bright students) whereas quite a lot of state schools focus on the C/D grade borderline just to satisfy Michael Gove's silly league tables. If state schools weren't so focussed on these league tables and parents were in a better position to encourage their child and instil a hard-working ethos, in my opinion the disparity between state schools and private schools (in general, not in every case) would start to disappear.

Yep!

That's pretty damn impressive.

I bet your parents love you for that

Did they only look at your GCSE's or anything else

Well it was a week before school started haha, so I was gonna go to a different sixth form happily. So glad it happened though.

Hmmmm... Well everyone else did tests and that. Because I was so late I just had an interview kind of thing and showed my GCSE/AS/A2 certificates.