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(Original post by matthewduncan)
I know a lot of pimps socially and through business.
'Controlling prostitution for gain' - what people running agencies etc do - is illegal, so I hope you've reported them. (If not, why not?)

As it happens, I know quite a lot of sex workers too. I worked at one popular London-based health project for five years. In that time, I met just over a thousand sex workers, including people working independently, for agencies, in a brothel, or doing street work / hustling (or more than one of those!) Although many of them were from outside the UK, we only knew of one who had been trafficked. (They were in Brighton, but the police there contacted us because of our reputation as the project to go to.)

And just because thry failed to find any evidence does not mean it doesnt go on.
I don't say that it doesn't, but it is clearly not the experience of anything close to a majority.

Do you expect these girls to grass and risk their lives ?
In order to get certain services or get particular treatment from the Home Office, you have to say you were "trafficked" and being forced to work, so there is an incentive to do so even when it's not true.
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There are lots of mercenaries who love their jobs and do it for the lifestyle/money/adventure. Does that make what they do ethical? Nope
I'm not following you. The argument is not "lots of escorts love their job ergo it's ethical". The argument is the previous PLUS the obvious fact that escorts don't kill people, but offer them pleasure!

I would be interested to know why you think working at McDonalds isn't unethical even though 99% of workers hate it, but working as an escort is even though a great number of escorts like their job (like I said, if you don't trust me look at their forums eg saafe)
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Marriage is a contract. Go figure.
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I wouldn't have a problem with my mother doing it.

It's better to work for minimum wage for an multinational with somewhat dubious practices than be paid far more working for yourself? Would you respect the McJobbers more if they were paid less?
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(Original post by matthewduncan)
What is your stance on this?
Is it immoral to pay for sex?
ladies get involved in this debate as well
A woman is like a car.

A brand new car that is bought is fresh, high value and a long term comittment. There is a big drop in value after the first year but it still has good value in the market for those not minding to buy a 2nd hand car.

A rented 2nd hand car is convenient for the needs of the day even though it has low value, has been used often and has hidden faults that need to be repaired in the near future..
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(Original post by Foo.mp3)
Granted hookers aren't killing anyone, and you may even argue they're performing a social service (for solitary/desperate people), but it's still not "good" or "right"
Why? That's what I'm trying to understand. Provided that married people don't use the services (I wouldn't mind such a law) I simply don't see the BAD in the act. And since we can't make prostitution disappear, it's better to legislate it and minimise any negative impact on families, society etc

Did you know that there were 500 or so brothels in Athens, all of them unregulated? Guess what happened when a user of these services reported having AIDS... that's what happens if you're not pragmatic and you don't regulate things so that they're brought in the surface (things like drugs, escort services etc)


My (perhaps unfair?) assumption for people who see such an act as inherently bad, IF it doesn't cause any other problems in both parties, is that it's a hang up from our Judeo-Christian values. You can see my thread on morality in the Religion section for what I believe. I'm sure you wouldn't condemn tribes of the jungle or in Africa walking around naked. And yet this is what we did when we met them, even though our own morality wrt this stems from us living in colder climates. So naturally we associated nude with sex only. Now those poor women in tropical climates must cover themselves up due to Christianity and Islam (just imagine the heat). The same holds for paid sex IMO.
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(Original post by Foo.mp3)
Sure sure..

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Imagine your mother got laid off/needed to find some extra cash

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Now imagine she starts meeting up with multiple strangers so they can **** her for hours at a time, hoping they'll always use a condom and never get violent

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Now tell me it doesn't bother you
It would really be ok..as ok as it can be in this situation anyways. I know some things. Oh, and me imagining those things is extremely meaningless and unhealthy. If I, or anyone else for that matter, would have to go through that, I doubt they would start thinking abt those things. You usually try to shut out scarring scenarios, works pretty well. And the mother is the closest example there is so yeah, I stand by what I've said because I thought about it before I said it.
btw: that spoiler inside spoiler thingy was quite nice lol, even though I almost missed a part of it till I quoted you
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It would really be ok..as ok as it can be in this situation anyways. I know some things. Oh, and me imagining those things is extremely meaningless and unhealthy. If I, or anyone else for that matter, would have to go through that, I doubt they would start thinking abt those things. You usually try to shut out scarring scenarios, works pretty well. And the mother is the closest example there is so yeah, I stand by what I've said because I thought about it before I said it.
btw: that spoiler inside spoiler thingy was quite nice lol, even though I almost missed a part of it till I quoted you
So what you're trying to say is you don't mind your mother sleeping with strange men for money or just to earn a living?! Damn,what has this word come to. Y'all need jesus
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I'm sure there are loads, but I just there are loads more who don't. They aren't all going to be shallow enough they have to date some hot girl, perhaps they just date someone they like, but a think more often than not they will have a girl more attractive and younger than themselves.

You assume they particularly care, often she isn't there for any meaningful appeal either. She's making up her lack of interest financially, he's making up the lack of true connection with the fact she looks like a model. Its generally not a recipe for a long term arrangement either.
Yep as they obviously have too much money for their own good that they just spend it on their own clamorous desires. They clearly are very desperate


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(Original post by matthewduncan)
What is your stance on this?
Is it immoral to pay for sex?
ladies get involved in this debate as well
i think paying for sex is more immoral than being a whore.

i used to think being a whore was immoral. but theres so many girls that have just no standards and will shag anything for free, that i actually begin to respect whores for having the good sense to at least make money from being a ****.


however some girls are forced into prostitution or are coerced whilst in a vulnerable state.


but like being a guy who cannot pull the droves of girls out there who will just shag you for free (pretty ones included) why would you waste money on them?

then on top of that ur spending on ur money on either a normal whore. or some eastern european sex slave thats violently abused into being a whore. so ur basically raping sex slaves.

so yea pretty much just being a loser or full on immoral scumbag.
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(Original post by Mick.w)
i think paying for sex is more immoral than being a whore.

i used to think being a whore was immoral. but theres so many girls that have just no standards and will shag anything for free, that i actually begin to respect whores for having the good sense to at least make money from being a ****.


however some girls are forced into prostitution or are coerced whilst in a vulnerable state.


but like being a guy who cannot pull the droves of girls out there who will just shag you for free (pretty ones included) why would you waste money on them?

then on top of that ur spending on ur money on either a normal whore. or some eastern european sex slave thats violently abused into being a whore. so ur basically raping sex slaves.

so yea pretty much just being a loser or full on immoral scumbag.
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Some girls not all need but some need to start respecting themselves much more than they seem to be doing at the moment


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i think paying for sex is more immoral than being a whore.

i used to think being a whore was immoral. but theres so many girls that have just no standards and will shag anything for free, that i actually begin to respect whores for having the good sense to at least make money from being a ****.


however some girls are forced into prostitution or are coerced whilst in a vulnerable state.


but like being a guy who cannot pull the droves of girls out there who will just shag you for free (pretty ones included) why would you waste money on them?

then on top of that ur spending on ur money on either a normal whore. or some eastern european sex slave thats violently abused into being a whore. so ur basically raping sex slaves.

so yea pretty much just being a loser or full on immoral scumbag.
There's still some decent girls out there who wouldn't just shag the next guys to walk through the door!
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Yes. I swear atheists on here have no values, i'm an atheist myself but some of them act like bloody animals.
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There's nothing wrong with it imo.

I wouldn't do it, but I don't see any problem with girls who choose to be prostitutes. I do wish there was better support for working girls wishing to leave the job. And better safety etc

I don't think guys who use them are loser either.

Supply and demand.
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There's still some decent girls out there who wouldn't just shag the next guys to walk through the door!
well. I've given up on the possibility of a romantic relationship. she will either be unloyal, deviant or both. or she'll be just generally unpleasant to be around.

n if i find a girl who ticks the boxes she'll probably have a time limit before she explodes into a circus of porn-esque and morally depraved activities.
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Can someone please freakin clarify the word 'loser'? You could be a world champion and still pay to get laid and hit the sheets with different peeps so you're hardly a loser
"Like OHHHH my gawwwwd like totally a loser, like"


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Can someone please freakin clarify the word 'loser'? You could be a world champion and still pay to get laid and hit the sheets with different peeps so you're hardly a loser
"Like OHHHH my gawwwwd like totally a loser, like"


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loss implies a game, a game has a set of rules, in this case it would be rules of relationships, losing = prostitution, no bf/gf, no kids, ugly, poor etc
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loss implies a game, a game has a set of rules, in this case it would be rules of relationships, losing = prostitution, no bf/gf, no kids, ugly, poor etc
Yeah but why do people say it like they're a loser in general, plus having no kids sounds pretty rad for a lot of people


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I think it's wrong and degrading for the woman and the mental impact that it may bring her later on in life thinking that her body has a price tag.
What if they chose to do it and love it?
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