Could Women Cope With The Amount Of Sexual Rejection Men Cope With ? Watch

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Not when the studies are patriachal in nature, the dude carrying them out is a well known rape apologist yet u MRAs still fling his **** around its disgusting
Warren Farrell is a progressive gender egalitarian, not a reactionary in favour of returning to an old-school patriarchal arrangement. I suggest you get your facts straight before flinging mud at intellectuals you happen to disagree with.

(Original post by sacca)
LOL being female is NOT a priveledge you are very sexist for saying that.
The modus operandi of many divorce courts would refute your position. Name-calling, ad hominem attacks, and veiled calls for censorship of opposing views ("you are very sexist for saying that") does nothing to lend credibility to your point of view.

I'd argue that many purported feminists are very sexist against men. They have contempt for the struggles many lower status men go through which are not shared by women, minimise legitimate men's issues (higher suicide rate, more workplace deaths, divorce courts biased in favour of women, conscription, false rape accusations, expectations on handling romantic rejection for introverted males, involuntary celibacy, etc). This is dogmatically flung out as it conflicts with the dogmatic feminist narrative of woman=victim and man=oppressor.

That is not gender equality. It smacks of this line from Robin Morgan:
I feel that "man-hating" is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.
Only the question of who is oppressing who isn't decided rationally by empirical evidence. It's decided by dogmatic beliefs which resist questioning. So the above way of thinking is frequently justified for hating a man who is anything but an oppressor, going by the actual evidence.


You, sacca, are the one being sexist here. Men are worth just as much as women.
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(Original post by Daenerys...)
A big reason for why mean get rejected more is because they don't pursue girls that are appropriate for their position, that is, they go for girls that are out of their league. If more men dated girls that were of a similar attractiveness men would report fewer rejections.


I've rejected countless boys/men over the years and it was only because they were less attractive than I or less financially stable.
What I will thank you about here is your honesty and clarity, Mrs mother of dragons.

I will also thank you for exposing yourself as one of the feminist double standards brigade.

Because what you have clearly claimed and exposed is the awful double standards that occupy some women's minds.

For you and like minded women it's alright for women to aim high it's alright for women to be ugly and aim for handsome men, it's alright for women to be financially unstable and aim for Mr deep pockets.

However, for a men to think he can do the same. How dare he, that little men better know his place and not step to me. Infact I may even report him for harrasment.

It's hilarious and ironic though, because this is all the OP and Warren Farrell try to expose the experience of being a women and being a men and how behaviours of one sex have an affect on the other.
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I wonder how much of a privilege being shielded from rejection is. Of course rejection is horrible in the short-term but by avoiding the risk of it altogether we deny ourselves so many great opportunities. Most people have a fear of rejection (there are only very few that seem absolutely fearless and don't care what anyone thinks of them) but while men are expected to confront theirs, women can more easily drift through life without having to face those risks. That's not a good thing for women. It doesn't just affect their romantic relationships but their career, their social life, other aspirations... Women's absence from public life is partly attributable to their socialisation in avoiding risk and is reinforced by them having much less opportunity to experience rejection in social situations.
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Firat deal with slut shaming women receive from men, before harping on about sexual rejection.
Double standards for the win!!!
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I'm sure you can remember the fact I live in Australia and not the UK, if not, I'm sorry. I'm not in the business of making allowances for people with poor memories.
Its not for my benefit you buffoon, its for the benefit of everyone reading your posts that do not know you're talking about Australia.


It's a good thing then I've lived in both the UK and Australia.

In which case, I can no longer excuse you on the grounds of cultural difference. Unfortunately its now clear that you're simply talking complete bull****. Kindly don't spread your ignorant and misinformed sexist nonsense any further on this website: sexists are not welcome here.
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I wonder how much of a privilege being shielded from rejection is. Of course rejection is horrible in the short-term but by avoiding the risk of it altogether we deny ourselves so many great opportunities. Most people have a fear of rejection (there are only very few that seem absolutely fearless and don't care what anyone thinks of them) but while men are expected to confront theirs, women can more easily drift through life without having to face those risks. That's not a good thing for women. It doesn't just affect their romantic relationships but their career, their social life, other aspirations... Women's absence from public life is partly attributable to their socialisation in avoiding risk and is reinforced by them having much less opportunity to experience rejection in social situations.
I agree 100%. Many women (especially middle and upper class white girls) grow up with this mentality that everything should just fall into their lap. From when they are babies and treated like Disney princesses and parents never say no to never having to be the initiator in dating later in life. They grow up in an ivory tower where they are completely cocooned from all all the problems men have to face while becoming adults. This is why when they hit the tiniest bump in their lives they blame on sexism or some other societal bogeyman. Men are taught to roll with the punches and grow balls. This is also why you see thousands of 45 yo freshly divorced women on mumsnet asking others about how dating works or seeking peer approval for every little thing they do with their lives. They have never had to take charge in their life and they have the mental age of a 15 yo when it comes to these issues.

I grew up in Eastern Europe and let me tell you that women here are far tougher than their Western counterparts yet at the same time still manage to maintain their innate femininity.
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I agree 100%. Many women (especially middle and upper class white girls) grow up with this mentality that everything should just fall into their lap. From when they are babies and treated like Disney princesses and parents never say no to never having to be the initiator in dating later in life. They grow up in an ivory tower where they are completely cocooned from all all the problems men have to face while becoming adults. This is why when they hit the tiniest bump in their lives they blame on sexism or some other societal bogeyman. Men are taught to roll with the punches and grow balls. This is also why you see thousands of 45 yo freshly divorced women on mumsnet asking others about how dating works or seeking peer approval for every little thing they do with their lives. They have never had to take charge in their life and they have the mental age of a 15 yo when it comes to these issues.

I grew up in Eastern Europe and let me tell you that women here are far tougher than their Western counterparts yet at the same time still manage to maintain their innate femininity.
Eww gross. Get your "agree 100%" away from me.
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Eww gross. Get your "agree 100%" away from me.

you go girl!
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(Original post by ArtGoblin)
I wonder how much of a privilege being shielded from rejection is. Of course rejection is horrible in the short-term but by avoiding the risk of it altogether we deny ourselves so many great opportunities. Most people have a fear of rejection (there are only very few that seem absolutely fearless and don't care what anyone thinks of them) but while men are expected to confront theirs, women can more easily drift through life without having to face those risks. That's not a good thing for women. It doesn't just affect their romantic relationships but their career, their social life, other aspirations... Women's absence from public life is partly attributable to their socialisation in avoiding risk and is reinforced by them having much less opportunity to experience rejection in social situations.
I agree, although I'm confused by what you say about the lack of opportunity. Make the first move with the next guy you like and you'll have created opportunity for yourself.
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of course, nobody likes rejection. but hopefully one day when equality is achieved, both genders will have to deal with it equally, because the idea that women should always be passive and that its bad when women make the first move is archaic but also very common. Hopefully soon it wont be a common perception, then dealing with rejection would be just another downside to equality, like the responsibilities of being allowed to have a career. of course people dont like rejection, but if society was more equal, women would learn to 'cope with' it just fine.

also can i just point out that 'sexual rejection' is a right on the part of the 'rejecter', and if the active person in the interaction be they male or female should deal with it and respect their decision. because i assure you, as unpleasant as rejection is, someone forcing themselves on you is not exactly a picnic either. id rather be rejected.
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I agree, although I'm confused by what you say about the lack of opportunity. Make the first move with the next guy you like and you'll have created opportunity for yourself.
It's hard to put yourself out there when you know you don't have to do it. I'm not saying it's ever easy for men but knowing that you have to approach women if you want a decent chance of getting a girlfriend means you have to get over the fear. I have recently become way more confident and I don't mind approaching men in bars but the amusing thing is that I've started being approached way more so I don't have to. I don't know whether it's confidence, reaching my mid-20s or London but meeting men has suddenly got a whole lot easier
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(Original post by ArtGoblin)
It's hard to put yourself out there when you know you don't have to do it. I'm not saying it's ever easy for men but knowing that you have to approach women if you want a decent chance of getting a girlfriend means you have to get over the fear. I have recently become way more confident and I don't mind approaching men in bars but the amusing thing is that I've started being approached way more so I don't have to. I don't know whether it's confidence, reaching my mid-20s or London but meeting men has suddenly got a whole lot easier
All well and good, but I don't think that finding something hard is the same as not having the opportunity. I mean, if you treat 'men' as a homogenous group and are happy to accept the best person who approaches you then fair enough, but you can't then say that you didn't have the opportunity to go for the perfect guy.
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It's hard to put yourself out there when you know you don't have to do it.
Women don't have to do a lot of things. They don't need to initiate, be assertive, confident, charming, funny, do a proper degree, get a well paid job, propose etc etc. They can just sit back and choose the ''finest candidate'', just like every other female in nature. You ever watch the nature channels? Males fight, dance, show off plumage, sing, croak and **** knows what else to impress the females. Women just need to look half decent. It's the privilege of being the reproduction bottleneck and the sex with the highest offspring investment.

Of course, things change quite a bit when women get older so enjoy the years you have left where you can still use your youthful/fertile looks because you won't be worth spit after that.
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The worst type of bullies are those people who act like they're the victim and that is women to a tee.

Secondly I'm quite positive she would not have been defensive if Channing Tatum was talking to her.

Fact is men are nothing but clowns to most women. One of the questions I used to ask was “Do you need a man?” Out of the dozens of times I asked it, not a single girl answered yes. There is definitely not a single woman alive in the Western world who needs a man.

Fact is, nobody SHOULD need another person like that. Would you say that you need a woman?

Also why is Channing Tatum always the go to guy in these situations. Do you guys all secretly fancy him or something?
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Genuinely top post. Whilst it doesn't surprise me, it remains fascinating nonetheless.
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Don't expect feminists to sympathise with you, they wouldn't care even if they acknowledge it.

Must be be excruciating though for men who are constantly rejected.
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Don't expect feminists to sympathise with you, they wouldn't care even if they acknowledge it.

Must be be excruciating though for men who are constantly rejected.
Maybe they should just take the ****ing hint and stop harassing people then.
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Maybe they should just take the ****ing hint and stop harassing people then.
If you meant men then how do you know they are not trying to pull in a nice respectful way?
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If you meant men then how do you know they are not trying to pull in a nice respectful way?
because then they wouldn't be rejected. How ****ing hard is it to figure out? Only attempt to pull girls that are interested in you.


If you're getting rejected, you're doing it wrong, and you need to stop.
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Women don't have to do a lot of things. They don't need to initiate, be assertive, confident, charming, funny, do a proper degree, get a well paid job, propose etc etc. They can just sit back and choose the ''finest candidate'', just like every other female in nature. You ever watch the nature channels? Males fight, dance, show off plumage, sing, croak and **** knows what else to impress the females. Women just need to look half decent. It's the privilege of being the reproduction bottleneck and the sex with the highest offspring investment.

Of course, things change quite a bit when women get older so enjoy the years you have left where you can still use your youthful/fertile looks because you won't be worth spit after that.
SerenityNow? Good to know you're evading the ban - I missed your bull****.
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