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Conservatives to introduce "snoopers charter" watch

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    (Original post by Observatory)
    That suggests that the current laws work well, not that government powers need to be radically expanded.
    Fair point although one could argue that you need to stay ahead of them.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Completely agree. I tend to be of the opinion that you've nothing to hide if you are doing nothing wrong.
    You should be posting here all your personal accounts with passes and usernames included. Because you've nothing to hide if you are doing nothing wrong.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The security services are not going to be bothered about your dodgy porn habits. They are far more concerned with the people who might be viewing ISIS videos or posting sympathetic messages for example.
    They are going to. I am not sure if they would be okay with someone with your habits working in positions of trust. So yes, I could see the government caring about it. Particularly a government who declared porn something to be put behind an opt-in barrier.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Fair point although one could argue that you need to stay ahead of them.
    One could always make that argument. It's an appeal to fear.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    If it's your dwarf fetish then frankly a government agency wouldn't give a ****. Similarly, they wouldn't care about copyright infringement.

    I'm against most things the Tories do but this is a great idea.
    The government might not. But corporations might. And just like people get their youtube accounts closed, you could also get your home internet connection temporarily shut down or something similar.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    As far as i understand it, these powers will be for the security services and things relating to terrorism rather than general police monitoring.
    That's the idea now. But eventually there is no reason why they would not give the technology a wider use.
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    (Original post by TurboCretin)
    One could always make that argument. It's an appeal to fear.
    I do rather fear religious nutcases who want Jihad on the west simply because we are non-believers.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I do rather fear religious nutcases who want Jihad on the west simply because we are non-believers.
    I agree. But we need to stop funding those nut-cases , i.e we helped fund them in Libiya, Syria, etc
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    (Original post by Tawheed)
    I agree. But we need to stop funding those nut-cases , i.e we helped fund them in Libiya, Syria, etc
    What we should have done is go into Syria as soon as the crisis broke out. It's the power vacuum that allows these groups to develop. That and Iraqi cowards in the army who run.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    What we should have done is go into Syria as soon as the crisis broke out. It's the power vacuum that allows these groups to develop. That and Iraqi cowards in the army who run.
    I do not think intervening is Syria is at all good idea. We should have allowed the Syrians to sort it our for themselves imho, and help negotiate a peace deal.

    We instead, for the sake of Israel and control over the middle-east for our own socio-political aims, wanted to destabilize Syria. We funded terrorists who invaded in, and that's what we see.

    The snoopers charter it just too ironic for a government - and i even blame labour- actually funds terrorists.
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    The government might not. But corporations might. And just like people get their youtube accounts closed, you could also get your home internet connection temporarily shut down or something similar.
    I strongly doubt that the government has the time and the resources to aid their buddies in the film, music and TV industries every time someone downloads Star Wars, Sgt Pepper or The Simpsons.
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    (Original post by Tawheed)
    I do not think intervening is Syria is at all good idea. We should have allowed the Syrians to sort it our for themselves imho, and help negotiate a peace deal.

    We instead, for the sake of Israel and control over the middle-east for our own socio-political aims, wanted to destabilize Syria. We funded terrorists who invaded in, and that's what we see.

    The snoopers charter it just too ironic for a government - and i even blame labour- actually funds terrorists.
    I agree the funding was a mistake and that it's too late to enter Syria now but i'm very much certain that we should have moved hard and fast in 2012 back when the genuine separatists were still dominant. A peace deal would have never worked in the long term given the scale of the damage, hell, even at 5% GDP growth the UN say it will take 30 years for the Syrian economy to recover.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I strongly doubt that the government has the time and the resources to aid their buddies in the film, music and TV industries every time someone downloads Star Wars, Sgt Pepper or The Simpsons.
    Lol You underestimate modern technology. A particular user can be flagged up only when they display a patter of behaviour that is considered unwanted. This makes the surveillance task feasible. And the government most likely does not have (all) the resources, so it uses contractors like other countries do.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I do rather fear religious nutcases who want Jihad on the west simply because we are non-believers.
    So do I. But as someone else pointed out the intelligence services seem to be doing fine at protecting us as things stand. The fear of attack is not in itself a good justification, it's just a useful tool for the Government.
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    Lol You underestimate modern technology. A particular user can be flagged up only when they display a patter of behaviour that is considered unwanted. This makes the surveillance task feasible. And the government most likely does not have (all) the resources, so it uses contractors like other countries do.
    It still costs money to find something which is not a criminal offence. The state doesn't have a history of providing evidence in private actions; I don't see this causing the start of a new era.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I strongly doubt that the government has the time and the resources to aid their buddies in the film, music and TV industries every time someone downloads Star Wars, Sgt Pepper or The Simpsons.
    What I can envision is the government sending mass mails to people who visit certain porn sites.

    It will not round you up and put you in jail but it is not a letter most would want their partner or their children to open.

    If we are considering more overt corruption, rather than oppressive officialdom, then the surveillance authorities can simply hand over dirt on political figures to their opponents in government. Or outside of it, if they prefer.
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    I may have nothing to hide but doesn't mean that I want them constantly surveilling me and almost taking away my freedoms
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The security services are not going to be bothered about your dodgy porn habits. They are far more concerned with the people who might be viewing ISIS videos or posting sympathetic messages for example.
    You say that, and look what happened in America - people can be blackmailed even if they haven't done something ostensibly illegal.
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    (Original post by MatthewParis)
    This is the one Conservative policy I actually support

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_C...ions_Data_Bill

    It's a bit silly to call it a "snoopers charter"; it's giving our security agencies the powers they need to fight terrorism and organised crime.

    The internet is the primary arena of modern warfare and crime, and if we want our security agencies to be able to fight effectively in that arena, then they need the right range of tools and sensors, in the same way that we install the right kind of radar on a fast jet.
    It's disgusting. You can't say anything without it being checked and read by someone else. Your privacy is gone. They read your text messages, your whatsapp messages, your emails and everything else. There is nowhere you can go to send a message to another person that will actually be private. You can't have even one ounce of privacy anymore. That's horrific. Why are we living in a society that does not allow us to have any privacy?
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    (Original post by Crumbs90)
    It's disgusting. You can't say anything without it being checked and read by someone else. Your privacy is gone. They read your text messages, your whatsapp messages, your emails and everything else. There is nowhere you can go to send a message to another person that will actually be private. You can't have even one ounce of privacy anymore. That's horrific. Why are we living in a society that does not allow us to have any privacy?
    Privacy is only good insofar as it achieves an end. In the context of individual relationships, that is often the case. In the context of vertical (state-individual) relationships, not so much.
 
 
 
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