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    (Original post by tehforum)
    Islam is basically cancer

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    (Original post by EdmundWoodstock)
    I read several, but in my eyes this is the most realistic one, by Ali ibn Abi Talib:

    The Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, is neither too short nor too tall. His hair are neither curly nor straight, but a mixture of the two. He is a man of black hair and large skull. His complexion has a tinge of redness. His shoulder bones are broad and his palms and feet are fleshy. He has long al-masrubah which means hair growing from neck to navel. He is of long eye-lashes, close eyebrows, smooth and shining fore-head and long space between two shoulders. When he walks he walks inclining as if coming down from a height. [...] I never saw a man like him before him or after him.[26]

    As you can see, it makes no mention of him being astoundingly handsome. I've also read other ones which are even more indicative of people making things up about him, such as when it says that his sweat smelt of perfume and thus needed no perfume to make him smell nice. Come on, not even muslims would believe this if it was said about anyone else...

    What next, his faeces smelt of lavender oil?
    That is one of the recording (hadith), yes. These people did not make things up.

    There are rules in recording these narrations, if you make things up, that will be considered as a false hadith. As you know, a false testimony weights nothing.

    Below is the most detailed description of the Prophet (pbuh) that the Muslims can ever get, the event occured during the migration (hijra) from Mecca to Madeena. It was written by Ibn Kathir, a prominent figure in History of Arabia, in his work called al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah (translation: The Beginning and The End)

    Description of Umm Ma'bud

    It was narrated that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), his servant, a guide and Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) left Mecca, passing a tent of an elderly lady called Umm Ma’bud. She would sit close to the tent and would give food and drink to travellers. So they asked her if they could buy some meat or dates from her but she could not find anything. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) looked towards a sheep next to the tent. They had run out of provisions and where hungry. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) asked Umm Ma’bud, “What is wrong with this sheep, dear Umm Ma’bud?”

    She replied, “The sheep is fatigued and is weaker than the other sheep.”

    The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Does it milk?

    She replied, “I swear by your mother and father, if I saw milk from it then I would milk it.” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) called the sheep and moved his hand over its udder; he pronounced the name of Allah and praised him. Then he called Umm Ma’bud when the sheep steadied its feet and its udder filled. He asked for a large container and milked it until it was filled. The lady drank until full, his companions (meaning satisfied) drank until full, then the others drank. Then it was milked for a second time until the container was full and they left her and continued on their journey.

    After a short while, the partner of the lady (Abu Ma’bud) returned from herding goats that were swaying from weakness. He saw the milk and said to his wife, “Where did you get this milk from, dear Umm Ma’bad. The sheep is single and there is no milk in the house!”


    She replied, “I swear by God, a blessed man passed by, in the following manner...”

    Abu Ma’bud said, “Describe him to me.”

    She then began:
    ظاهر الوَضَاءة - “his cleanliness was apparent”,

    أبْلَجُ الوجه-“his face was luminous”

    حسن الخُلُق-“handsome disposition”

    لم تعبه ثُجْلَة-“he did not have a protuding stomach”

    ولم تُزْرِ به صَعْلَة-“nor did he have a small head”

    وسِيم -“handsome”

    قَسِيم-“well proportioned”

    في عينيه دَعَج-“his eyes had wideness”

    وفي أشفاره وَطَف-“his eyelashes were long”

    وفي صوته صَهَل-“and in his voice was raspiness/crackle”

    وفي عنقه سَطَع-“and his neck was long”

    أحْوَر-“the white of his eyes is extremely white, and the black of his eyes is extremely black”

    أكْحَل-“it was was as if he had kohl (eyeliner the Arabs used) on naturally”

    أزَجّ-“natural arching of his eyebrows”

    أقْرَن-“looked like his two eyebrows met”,[ this was mentioned by Umm Ma'bad keeping in mind that she saw him once, other Companions said “laysa bi aqran” he did not have any hair between his eyebrows but it was a vein that would show when he would be angry. This does not mean that he necessarily was angry during his stay with Umm Ma'bad but any thing that causes blood to rush to your head, (such as lowering it, to milk a goat for example) could have caused that. ]

    شديد سواد الشعر-“his hair was extremely black”

    إذا صمت علاه الوقار-“when he was silent he would be enveloped in an aura of respect”

    وإن تكلم علاه البَهَاء-“and if he spoke it was like a light protruding from him”

    أجمل الناس وأبهاهم من بعيد-“the most beautiful of people from far”

    وأحسنه وأحلاه من قريب-“and stunning when close”

    حلو المنطق-“his speech was sweet”

    لا نَزْر-“not short”,['not short- 'la tazar'. tazar means someone who is very short and brief in their speech; they do not give you more than a 'yes/no' answer.When the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam spoke, he did not speak in this manner.]

    ولا هَذَر-“not very long”,[ hadhar is the opposite of tazar; it is to be very long and detailed in speech, to keep talking and talking, so much so that it can get annoying. Likewise the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam was not this way.]

    كأن منطقه خَرَزَات نظمن يَتَحدَّرن-“it was as if his speech were beads of a necklace cut”, [meaning that his words fall in order after one another and that his speech was organized.]

    لا تقحمه عينمن قِصَر، ولا تشنؤه من طول، غُصْن بين غُصْنَيْن، فهو أنْظَر الثلاثة منظراً، وأحسنهم قدْرًا- “His height does not harm and the eye is not taken over by him, a branch between two branches, he is more radiant than them and he is most respected.”

    له رفقاء يحفون به-“his companions would surround him”

    إذا قال استمعوا لقوله-“when he spoke they would listen attentively to his speech”

    وإذا أمر تبادروا إلى أمره-“and if he orders they hasten to it fully”

    لا عَابِس ولا مُفَنَّد-“without frowning or refusing”[ She ends her description by talking about the respect that was shown to him, which only adds to his impressive personality in how the companions would respond.]
    Abu Ma’bud said, “I swear to God, he is the one Quresh mentioned to us about his affair in Mecca. I am determined to accompany him; if I could go that way.”

    [Sources: Ibn Hisham, Imam Ahmed, Al-Hikam Hasan qawi agreed upon by Ad-Dhahbi, Tabarni in Mujam Al-Kabir 3/57, Ibn Kathir “The beginning and the end” 2/190, Haytami 6/57, Proofs of Prophethood by Al-Bayhaqi 2/493, Tabarani in the Major compilation 4/57, in the “Grades” of Ibn Saad 1/230]
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    (Original post by Kralamoonard)
    Ok I really need you to check your definition of 'fact' because that claim is laughable to say the least.

    Also, who says we don't love God more? Who are you to stab just because he isn't a 'God' we can't love him as a person?

    It makes no difference whether he's a god or not though like Jesus because basing it on that alone is just arbitrary.
    1) he was a paedophile wife-beating slaver warlord
    2) he's dead
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    (Original post by Untitled.)
    Not really.
    No ****. The question is do you think it's not a dilemma because "blasphemers" don't deserve to be killed or because you actually think that they do?
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    (Original post by Onde)
    1) he was a paedophile wife-beating slaver warlord
    2) he's dead
    Again you can't just make that false and generic claim without any evidence; it's a cop out.And if you have any perspective of what pedophilia is, it involves a pre-pubescent child without consent,Aisha wasn't that. But what do I expect when hat kinda of false rhetoric is spouted out time and time again in the media?You don't even have to be a scholar in this case to know and to also know that girls back hen matured much earlier.
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    (Original post by Kralamoonard)
    Ok I really need you to check your definition of 'fact' because that claim is laughable to say the least.

    Also, who says we don't love God more? Who are you to stab just because he isn't a 'God' we can't love him as a person?

    It makes no difference whether he's a god or not though like Jesus because basing it on that alone is just arbitrary.
    What's laughable? That most religious people only have the same religion as their parents? If you're denying this then I know you're a troll, because this is quite clearly true and it's down to indoctrination.

    What? When on earth did I say you don't love God more? I suggest you read my posts properly instead of skimming over them, that way you won't accuse me of saying things I haven't.

    No, it is not arbitrary. It makes sense for religious people to adore God because they genuinely believe he created them, gave them life, answer their prayers etc. That cannot be said for normal human beings.
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    (Original post by Kralamoonard)
    Again you can't just make that false and generic claim without any evidence; it's a cop out.And if you have any perspective of what pedophilia is, it involves a pre-pubescent child without consent,Aisha wasn't that. But what do I expect when hat kinda of false rhetoric is spouted out time and time again in the media?You don't even have to be a scholar in this case to know and to also know that girls back hen matured much earlier.
    Nonsense, the rubbish about girls maturing earlier is a myth, if anything they matured later because we now have better nutrition.

    Even if the lie that girls matured earlier were true, it still wouldn't mean a NINE YEAR OLD was mature or developed. Don't tell me you're one of these muslims who's going to say the ridiculous hogwash that at 9 years old Aisha looked like a fully grown woman?
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    As a news reporter once said, when someone gets KILLED for drawing a CARTOON, the first question from ones lips should NOT be "what were they drawing?"; the first question should be "what can we do to stop this violence?"



    Religion has no place in dictating what people do. We live in secular societies in the West. Yes the drawings are offensive, everybody knows that, it is not under debate; can people still draw them? Yes. I do not believe in the Profit; I would not go out of my way to draw him to offend others, but in my view people who do so are doing it to make a political statement that freedom of expression exists and I completely encourage that. If drawings were not met with riots, protests etc then the likelihood of any of these events even being held would be far lower.
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    I condemn the drawings aswell as murdering people, we live in a non Muslim society and violence is never right. The prophet peace by upon him had a neighbour throw garbage outside his door every day. How did the prophet respond? One day he walked out and found no garbage which made him ask about the woman and found out that she was sick, he went to visit the sick woman and told her he came today because he found no garbage in his way and then asked her if he could assist her with anything she needed. The woman was so touched and felt guilty about her actions that she embraced Islam in the end. This is what our religion is about, compassion and not what these evil murderers are doing today. The problem instead of attacking the Islamist, they attack Islam when it's hijacked and the victim of all this oppression.
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    (Original post by EdmundWoodstock)
    What's laughable? That most religious people only have the same religion as their parents? If you're denying this then I know you're a troll, because this is quite clearly true and it's down to indoctrination.

    What? When on earth did I say you don't love God more? I suggest you read my posts properly instead of skimming over them, that way you won't accuse me of saying things I haven't.

    No, it is not arbitrary. It makes sense for religious people to adore God because they genuinely believe he created them, gave them life, answer their prayers etc. That cannot be said for normal human beings.
    Yes it may be true but it isn't always the case especially now in the west which is becoming less and less influenced by Christianity or at least the people aren't.

    And your second point -you said at least it's understandable with Jesus because he's effectively God- but we do love God the most since he's God, yes but as a person, it's the prophet and no we don't just base it off the fact is he God or not or whether he's got those qualities - there's more to it than that.
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    (Original post by EdmundWoodstock)
    That video is deliberately dishonest and misleading because it's asking people to draw one of their friends by the name of Muhammed, not the Prophet Muhammed...
    Which is the aim of the video
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    (Original post by Scenekid)
    No drawing can EVER compare on how beautiful our prophet Muhammed (SAW) was! Whoever came up with lame idea to disrespect Islam! GO TO HELL!
    how the hell have you got 9 reps for this


    And you wonder why muslims get so much flak

    due to statements like this.



    You sound like a brainwashed north korean.

    For instance

    "No drawing can EVER compare on how beautiful our leader Kim Jon-Ul (whatever saw means) was! Whoever came up with this lame idea to disrespect our cult! GO TO HELL!
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    (Original post by EdmundWoodstock)
    Nonsense, the rubbish about girls maturing earlier is a myth, if anything they matured later because we now have better nutrition.

    Even if the lie that girls matured earlier were true, it still wouldn't mean a NINE YEAR OLD was mature or developed. Don't tell me you're one of these muslims who's going to say the ridiculous hogwash that at 9 years old Aisha looked like a fully grown woman?
    Again she was past puberty whether me or you like it or not and it was with consent. End of; don't try and spin it as hogwash or whatnot. And by that definition it wasn't pedophilia.
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    Also, Charlie Hebdo has only ever released 7 magazine covers in relation to Islam, 21 in relation to Christianity, and over 300 depicting other topics, such as politicians. This kind of artistic mockery has been common in France since the French revolution and I disagree with any efforts to prevent this expression of the French rebellious culture.
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    (Original post by Kralamoonard)
    Again you can't just make that false and generic claim without any evidence; it's a cop out.And if you have any perspective of what pedophilia is, it involves a pre-pubescent child without consent,Aisha wasn't that. But what do I expect when hat kinda of false rhetoric is spouted out time and time again in the media?You don't even have to be a scholar in this case to know and to also know that girls back hen matured much earlier.
    Aisha was too young to make informed consent, sure. As it is, she "gave consent" by remaining silent, which that backward society regarded as consent. I don't know why a 9 year old would be expected to know the legal implications of remaining silent to someone who was old enough to be her great-great grandfather (according to Muslims), especially when silence was also seen as a sign of shyness and modesty.

    As has previously been mentioned on these forums by others, five year olds have been able to have periods. It doesn't make Muhammad any less of a paedophile: he was sexually-stimulated by the body of a nine year old girl, in an age when children developed at a much later age than they do today (what you said is simply untrue, it is Muslim apologism). This is not false rhetoric: this is what Muhammad's own wife said and the earliest Muslims wrote, and what the majority of Muslims believed for centuries.
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    (Original post by Samia.a)
    Which is the aim of the video
    I'm not sure it is. They're trying to make it look as if they have no problem with others drawing Muhammed, when in fact they do, as proven by asking people to draw pictures of their friends called Muhammed.

    If they truly didn't care, then they would be asking people to draw pictures of the Prophet Muhammed​, but of course, they don't.
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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    Precisely. People are ignoring the real issue here -- drawing a cartoon could actually get you killed. Why is this not the controversy? Why would I be the problem for drawing a freakin' cartoon and not the religious lunatics that would murder me for it? It's insane.

    People should have the right to draw whomever they choose without having to worry about 'offended' terrorists trying to kill them and moronic apologists who would think I of all people am the one with the problem in this effed up scenario.

    That's why these 'draw Mohammed' protests exist. Ask yourselves why 'draw Jesus' protests don't happen. It might be because drawing Jesus isn't going to result in death threats and people trying to censor it because it may offend a group of people that cares way too much about cartoons.
    I dunno. I think insulting Jesus would result in death threats from some. There are extremists in every huge social collective such as a religion.
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    (Original post by Kralamoonard)
    Again she was past puberty whether me or you like it or not and it was with consent. End of; don't try and spin it as hogwash or whatnot. And by that definition it wasn't pedophilia.
    Nonsense. Puberty is a long process, no one suddenly becomes an adult as soon as they have their first period or wet dream. An btw, no child can properly consent, so that "consent" isn't valid, if he had sex with a 9 year old then it's paedophilia. If you don't believe me then how about you try it and claim the 9 year old "consented" and see if you don't end up in prison for a very, very long time.
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    (Original post by EdmundWoodstock)
    I'm not sure it is. They're trying to make it look as if they have no problem with others drawing Muhammed, when in fact they do, as proven by asking people to draw pictures of their friendS called Muhammed.

    If they truly didn't care, then they would be asking people to draw pictures of the Prophet Muhammed​, but of course, they don't.
    They are trying to prove that there's nothing wrong with drawing any ordinary 'Muhammad' but not the prophet. It's not difficult at all -it makes real sense. I don't understand why people are so hurt about Muslims getting offended over drawings of their beloved figure... People are free to draw what they want to as it only reflects on their IQ and childishness...
    It is not any different to racist bigots drawing blacks as monkeys yet we allow anti-Islam portraits... Pure double standards
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    (Original post by Kralamoonard)
    You don't even have to be a scholar in this case to know and to also know that girls back hen matured much earlier.
    The average age at which the onset of puberty occurs has dropped significantly since the 1840s.[68][69][70] This was dubbed 'the secular trend' by J. M. Tanner. In every decade from 1840 to 1950 there was a drop of four months in the average age of menarche among Western European females. In Norway, girls born in 1840 had their menarche at an average age of 17 years. In France, the average in 1840 was 15.3 years. In England, the average in 1840 was 16.5 years. In Japan the decline happened later and was then more rapid: from 1945 to 1975 in Japan there was a drop of 11 months per decade. A 2006 study in Denmark found that puberty, as evidenced by breast development, started at an average age of 9 years and 10 months, a year earlier than when a similar study was done in 1991. Scientists believe the phenomenon could be linked to obesity or exposure to chemicals in the food chain, and is putting girls at greater long-term risk of breast cancer.
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