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    (Original post by Waqar Khanny)
    Mate u are gonna go to hell...it's fine you can act like a badasś now...but when ur in ur. Grave u will regret what u said
    But what if there is no hell?
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    (Original post by Waqar Khanny)
    Surat Al baqarah [2:1-8]
    "Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe."

    No point arguing with people like you, no matter how much of the truth we tell u, you don't want to believe it, because u are scared to accept the truth

    Enjoy your pointless life...
    Lmao, you think posting a quote from the Quran saying that whoever doesn't believe in the Quran is a fool, is evidence? The Bible also says that those who don't believe in the Bible are fools, you need to polish up on your logical skills.

    And we don't need Islam to give our lives meaning thanks. For me, following Islam would make my life pointless.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    As soon as they see the no alcohol and no bacon rules they'll think twice.
    Not to mention the whole no sex until marriage thing.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    I see, have you been to the incredibly rich Saudi Arabia lately? Lots of Mosques and body parts going BOOM on a weekly basis. Nevermind the human rights abuses and weekly beheadings by the state...

    You heard of the 2022 world cup? Do know which incredibly rich country is using and abusing slaves to build the infrastructure....?

    Whist there are atrocities and human rights abuses committed in the name of Christianity, they are few and far between and nowhere near the scale or frequency of that of their smaller religious brother Islam
    Well Saudi Arabia are the paymasters of ISIS so it's not surprising really. I don't think many of the ISIS recruits are Saudis... they prefer to keep the conflict at arms length
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Well Saudi Arabia are the paymasters of ISIS so it's not surprising really. I don't think many of the ISIS recruits are Saudis... they prefer to keep the conflict at arms length
    So you do know about Saudi then.. And Qatar? See how it totally refutes your point about it being due to poor Islamic countries?
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    So you do know about Saudi then.. And Qatar? See how it totally refutes your point about it being due to poor Islamic countries?
    Not really. The fundamentalism is bred and practised in those parts of the Arab world where people are poor and desperate. If Iraq, Syria and the other places where ISIS is recruiting were rich countries like in post-Christian Europe everybody would be too busy enjoying their lives to be seduced by religious fundamentalism dogma.

    For example do you really think the Northern Irish sectarianism, or even the political militancy of certain Northern English local authorities, would have persisted if those regions had been as rich as south-east England?
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Not really. The fundamentalism is bred and practised in those parts of the Arab world where people are poor and desperate. If Iraq, Syria and the other places where ISIS is recruiting were rich countries like in post-Christian Europe everybody would b- e too busy enjoying their lives to be seduced by religious fundamentalism dogma.

    For example do you really think the Northern Irish sectarianism, or even the political militancy of certain Northern English local authorities, would have persisted if those regions had been as rich as south-east England?
    lool

    Saudi Arabia arrests 431 Islamic state suspects
    http://news.sky.com/story/1521265/sa...state-suspects

    It has NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY - Islamic state has over 20,000 foreign fighters many from USA . EUROPE . AUSTRALIA and so on.

    I don't know enough about the Northern Irish conflict to confidently answer. I only talk about stuff i know
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    It's how every evil act generated a following and became influential: they targeted the people who can't think for themselves.
    Or literally stopped people who can think for themselves
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    lool

    Saudi Arabia arrests 431 Islamic state suspects
    http://news.sky.com/story/1521265/sa...state-suspects

    It has NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY - Islamic state has over 20,000 foreign fighters many from USA . EUROPE . AUSTRALIA and so on.

    I don't know enough about the Northern Irish conflict to confidently answer. I only talk about stuff i know
    That's really not very many considering just over the border there is an army of several hundred thousand of them. Those recruited from Europe etc doubtless have family in Syria on which they are basing their grievances.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    That's really not very many considering just over the border there is an army of several hundred thousand of them. Those recruited from Europe etc doubtless have family in Syria on which they are basing their grievances.
    So you have gone from "ISIS is recruiting were rich countries like in post-Christian Europe everybody would be too busy enjoying their lives to be seduced by religious fundamentalism dogma."

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    Well 471 Isis in filthy rich Saudi Arabia isnt much because there is an army of them in their their Caliphate in Syria / Iraq

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    People leave rich countries in Europe to join Isis and behead, murder and enslave innocents because they have grievances

    Pathetic goal post shifting. Would you like to explain what grieviances are causing British citizens to travel to Syria and behead, burn alive and rape innocent human beings and children?

    Is this forum full of 16 year old terrorist sympathisers who know nothing about the world or their own religion?
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    So you have gone from "ISIS is recruiting were rich countries like in post-Christian Europe everybody would be too busy enjoying their lives to be seduced by religious fundamentalism dogma."

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    Well 471 Isis in filthy rich Saudi Arabia isnt much because there is an army of them in their their Caliphate in Syria / Iraq

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    People leave rich countries in Europe to join Isis and behead, murder and enslave innocents because they have grievances

    Pathetic goal post shifting. Would you like to explain what grieviances are causing British citizens to travel to Syria and behead, burn alive and rape innocent human beings and children?

    Is this forum full of 16 year old terrorist sympathisers who know nothing about the world or their own religion?
    I don’t see where the big contradiction is. My thesis is that ISIS fighters come from poor Arab countries, or where they live in rich countries they have a connection like family to the poor country. Several hundred thousand in Iraq and Syria and only 471 in Saudi would seem to corroborate that.

    And where did I say their grievances were fair or justified? People don't go to war just to "be evil" - though doubtless power corrupts once they are there. But they generally have some sort of internal narrative that underpins why they want to go to some hot dusty ****ty country and fight a holy war.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    I don’t see where the big contradiction is. My thesis is that ISIS fighters come from poor Arab countries, or where they live in rich countries they have a connection like family to the poor country. Several hundred thousand in Iraq and Syria and only 471 in Saudi would seem to corroborate that.

    And where did I say their grievances were fair or justified? People don't go to war just to "be evil" - though doubtless power corrupts once they are there. But they generally have some sort of internal narrative that underpins why they want to go to some hot dusty ****ty country and fight a holy war.
    You have gone from blaming it on £££ to moving the to family reasons. That is a clear goal post shift after I showed you the number of ISIS inside rich countries who are rich. I am absoloutely positive if i google reyhad Khan and Mohammed Emwazi and other notable British Jihadi's I will find the same. I will find out they have no family in Syria and were in fact radicalised on Islamic scripture.

    It exasperates me that you dont understand why there are thousands of ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria but not in other countries... do i really need to tell you its because in other countries they would be arrested and prosecuted whilst In Iraq and Syria they themselves are the government and can be free to do whatever they like without impunity??
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    You have gone from blaming it on £££ to moving the to family reasons. That is a clear goal post shift after I showed you the number of ISIS inside rich countries who are rich. I am absoloutely positive if i google reyhad Khan and Mohammed Emwazi and other notable British Jihadi's I will find the same. I will find out they have no family in Syria and were in fact radicalised on Islamic scripture.

    It exasperates me that you dont understand why there are thousands of ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria but not in other countries... do i really need to tell you its because in other countries they would be arrested and prosecuted whilst In Iraq and Syria they themselves are the government and can be free to do whatever they like without impunity??
    Doubtless they were radicalised on a jihadist interpretation of Islamic scripture, but there is a reason why they sought it out and were affected by it. People don't just turn evil or get brainwashed for no reason

    Is there any source which estimates the provenance of ISIS fighters?
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Doubtless they were radicalised on a jihadist interpretation of Islamic scripture, but there is a reason why they sought it out and were affected by it. People don't just turn evil or get brainwashed for no reason

    Is there any source which estimates the provenance of ISIS fighters?
    Well we can discount poverty given the number of affluent western fighters.

    I guess most of these figures come from the Human rights group Syrian observatory for human rights

    http://www.rferl.org/contentinfograp.../26584940.html

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/ne...ters-are-women
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Doubtless they were radicalised on a jihadist interpretation of Islamic scripture,
    a jihadists is a perfectably accpetable status within islam, perhaps you are not aware that mohammed was a jihadist.


    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    but there is a reason why they sought it out and were affected by it. People don't just turn evil or get brainwashed for no reason
    no, it takes a very persistent uncomprimising and well orchestrated dogma , like islam, which has honed this process for more than 1000 years.
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    (Original post by The Good Doctor)
    All the lack of sex, alcohol and bacon was what first drew me in!
    Yeh but remember as a teenager trying to find yourself and all that thinking why not give into a ideology where thinking for yourself isn't an issue
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    (Original post by Waqar Khanny)
    You people are just scared, you hate the fact that Islam is the only fastest growing religion. If our views are wrong why are so many people converting to Islam ...hmmmn care to enlighten me?
    You can't do anything about the fact that no matter how much you try and make our religion look bad, we still have many many many people joining us.

    FACE IT...YOU PEOPLE ARE SCARED
    And Muhammad said have many children, like Hitler said. = more soldiers
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    (Original post by Waqar Khanny)
    You people are just scared, you hate the fact that Islam is the only fastest growing religion. If our views are wrong why are so many people converting to Islam ...hmmmn care to enlighten me?
    You can't do anything about the fact that no matter how much you try and make our religion look bad, we still have many many many people joining us.

    FACE IT...YOU PEOPLE ARE SCARED
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    (Original post by MJlover)
    Rebellion in modern western society, almost has everything to do with taking drugs, drinking and doing other bad stuff.

    This is the opposite of good Muslim behavior, we respect parents, don't drink or take other intoxicants, don't waste time in clubs, and we are humble to God, so I can't imagine a western teenager 'rebelling' by doing any of these things.
    I can imagine you are kept in a white room like a battery hen till you are ready at breeding age where you will be forced by your husband to spawn more religiously brainwashed children Thats how it sounds


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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    I don’t see where the big contradiction is. My thesis is that ISIS fighters come from poor Arab countries, or where they live in rich countries they have a connection like family to the poor country. Several hundred thousand in Iraq and Syria and only 471 in Saudi would seem to corroborate that.

    And where did I say their grievances were fair or justified? People don't go to war just to "be evil" - though doubtless power corrupts once they are there. But they generally have some sort of internal narrative that underpins why they want to go to some hot dusty ****ty country and fight a holy war.
    or...the countries dont matter - ISIS recruits from muslim populations that are easy fooled by propaganda and deeply committed to islamic rhetoric

    ISIS has members from at least 11 different countries
 
 
 
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