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    I'm dating a feminist atm. Nothing wrong with feminism at all.

    But I'm not dating a woman who begs off the meninist ****... like what the hell is that?? Problematic behaviour.
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    (Original post by thesarcasticone)
    you do realise that Feminism means equality for both genders, right?
    Not modern feminism.
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    (Original post by thesarcasticone)
    It literally says that it advocates for women's rights so that 'both the genders are on equal grounds', idk how much more sense I need to make to you.
    Many feminists do no want to be treated equally. They want either preferential treatment or want men to be treated poorly. Some tweet and advocate that all men should die. Vala r Mughalis.
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    (Original post by citydeer)
    of course they are how could i forget! its just so difficult to be a man!!
    You do realize Women have more laws protecting them than men do, correct?
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    If your gf is starting uni this year and she has a group of friends(8 guys and 2 girls) and she's talking to the guys individually and likes then more then the girls ,should you be worried.also if when your talking to her on the phone she puts you on speaker to text the guys but then says she doesn't like any of the and says that their just good friends which I do believe ,do you think the guys like her .





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    (Original post by maryohagan)
    Actually, I've studied sociology for 4 years, mainly focusing on inequalities across gender, class and ethnicity and my brother is a Sociology graduate from Durham, so I think I could say I'm a little more informed than what you implied there.
    Did I say that 50:50 gender quotas should be introduced to every job sector? No. I'm just saying that the reason why there is these unequal proportions of genders in certain areas of employment is that male and females are socialised differently. Therefore that the pay gap is most likely down to sexism.
    Also, are you suggesting that biological differences determine personality? You don't believe that someone's upbringing determines their futures and preferences?
    I have given you facts, while I notice you have given me assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up.

    Yes, biological differences do determine personality, to an extent. But someone's upbringing also has an effect. That's why I am talking in general terms. Not in absolute terms.

    No, you never said that 50:50 gender quotas should be enforced on every job sector. But you yourself said that women are 'socially' persuaded to not take the more dangerous jobs due to sexism when that is demonstrably untrue. What I am saying is, it is silly to blame many of these disparities in the ratios of female to male employees in the dangerous jobs on sexism, when you were clearly claiming that they were, without bothering to take into account the fact that men are generally vastly superior and more desirable in those 'dangerous' professions.

    Just as a side note, I also find it somewhat comical that there is no such feminist-fueled debate on the disparities of the gender ratios of those employed in many low paid, low skill menial jobs such as janitors, construction labourers and rubbish collectors (95%+ male). Just throwing that out there.

    And you say that women are socially persuaded not to take STEM professions, yet, as I said before, the STEM companies are practically BEGGING for more female employees. Once again, what you've said is demonstrably false. Do some research into this, I implore you. They just are. Just look it up. As an engineering student, I have seen quite a few female only engineering graduate schemes. There are no male only graduate schemes (in the UK at least), that I can guarantee. There is higher demand for female STEM graduates than male STEM graduates. Yet women still don't apply. And you still wan't to blame society for this? That is simply ridiculous. I respect you and your opinion, but your assertions do not somehow make these facts incorrect.
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    (Original post by Doctor_Einstein)
    Ah, I guess your the type to follow what people are saying.

    Good luck. :sheep:
    Oh man, if you're gonna say that, I don;t even know what to say to you. Good day.
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    (Original post by Lord Jon)
    I'm dating a feminist atm. Nothing wrong with feminism at all.

    But I'm not dating a woman who begs off the meninist ****... like what the hell is that?? Problematic behaviour.
    Why not a meninist
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    (Original post by The Good Doctor)
    Which is well needed in places like Iran and India. But this is the UK, last time I checked and there are so many instances of inequality against both sexes that it makes no sense to just focus on "raising the status" of one.
    But there is still a lot of inequality for women in this country, and there is still a need for people to fight for that change.... hence feminism.

    Supporting feminism takes nothing away from anyone elses cause. I don't understand the problem.

    People don't have this issues with charities etc. Like you don't go up to people in the street raising money for cancer and go "You want money for cancer? That is well needed in places like Iran and India. But this is the UK, last time I checked and there are so many instances of other diseases that it makes no sense to just focus on "raising the status" of one. MONEY FOR ALL DISEASE CHARITIES".
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    (Original post by teddyplanet)
    I understand the idea of what you're saying, but it implies that women are the only gender that experience inequalities/oppression. Sorry, but I disagree. It's not hard to see that there's good and bad to being either gender, especially in the Western world where the disparity isn't as grave (broad statement, yes, but I'm sure you understand).

    At 21 years old, and having moved around many times, I still have yet to personally experience anything that really made me think 'Golly, this must've happened due to my lack of rights/because I'm being discriminated against as a female.'
    I completely disagree that I am suggesting we're the only gender to experience inequality. It's just one problem, and the people who support solving this specific and very real problem are called feminists.

    I am thrilled that you've not experienced anything that you've perceived as being due to your gender but I assure you there are lots and lots of women that have, and you are very lucky indeed if you continue in life without experiencing it. I'm sure there are a lot of things you haven't experienced but doesn't make them any less real.
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    I'm sorry but what is menism. Somebody tried to explain this to me on a different thread and I still don't get it.
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    (Original post by Neostigmine)
    But there is still a lot of inequality for women in this country, and there is still a need for people to fight for that change.... hence feminism.

    Supporting feminism takes nothing away from anyone elses cause. I don't understand the problem.

    People don't have this issues with charities etc. Like you don't go up to people in the street raising money for cancer and go "You want money for cancer? That is well needed in places like Iran and India. But this is the UK, last time I checked and there are so many instances of other diseases that it makes no sense to just focus on "raising the status" of one. MONEY FOR ALL DISEASE CHARITIES".
    Could you please list all this horrible inequality you're facing? If you want I could also list all the laws and examples of "Female privilege" the Third Wave feminists love to ignore.
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    (Original post by Steeplechasing)
    I'm sorry but what is menism. Somebody tried to explain this to me on a different thread and I still don't get it.
    Meninism is the idea of supporting more rights for men. Similar to Feminism but on the other end of the scale. To say A feminist or a meninist is for equal rights is incorrect, The people after equal rights for all is an egalitarian or a humanist. Now I know the whole idea of "Men need more rights" may sound silly, but if you think about it there are several areas where women have more rights than men. Same as how men have more rights than women in some areas. Im an Egalitarian, but I can see the arguments on both sides,
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    (Original post by Neostigmine)
    But there is still a lot of inequality for women in this country, and there is still a need for people to fight for that change.... hence feminism.

    Supporting feminism takes nothing away from anyone elses cause. I don't understand the problem.

    People don't have this issues with charities etc. Like you don't go up to people in the street raising money for cancer and go "You want money for cancer? That is well needed in places like Iran and India. But this is the UK, last time I checked and there are so many instances of other diseases that it makes no sense to just focus on "raising the status" of one. MONEY FOR ALL DISEASE CHARITIES".
    There is no problem with standing up for womens' rights. But it seems silly, in a country where there is inequality suffered in somewhat comparable amounts by both sexes, to ally yourself with a movement that seeks to achieve 'equality' somehow by elevating the rights of simply one gender. I don't understand how anyone could think that would achieve equality. It would have made sense 100 years ago when women had comparatively few rights in this country. But times have changed and now males and females are on a much more equal footing.

    It would be like saying racism worldwide can be eradicated simply by eradicating white against black racism, when there are so many other instances of racism occurring.
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    (Original post by Meninism)
    Why not a meninist
    Because it's all nonsense tbh. What the heck is that
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    (Original post by The Good Doctor)
    I really disagree with this. I think a drawback of the education system and society's general attitude towards nurturing children is that they are all special and they all capable of 'anything if they put their mind to it'. Teachers and parents don't just say that to the boys and exclude the girls from it. In fact, if they did and they were found out, there would be a huge backlash from society (and rightly so).

    Most of these dangerous jobs need to involve a strong and physically fit individual (eg. firemen, soldiers, deep sea fishermen etc) and men are simply more physically suited to these jobs. And I am glad that more men do some of these, especially firemen and soldiers. Because if a 50:50 gender quota was imposed on these professions, the professions would suffer. Fire "people" would be less able to save people trapped in buildings. Soldiers would be less able to cross battlefields in required times and be less able to carry heavy equipment. Men are better at some jobs than women. Fact. And the inverse is also true for some other jobs.

    These "academic careers" like STEM are practically begging for more women to join. Being an engineering student myself, I have come across so many grad schemes aimed exclusively at women. Entering a STEM profession as a woman is much easier than a man because of gender quotas and employers' general desire to not appear sexist. Yet, the vast majority of female university students choose non-STEM subjects like gender studies, fashion design, arts etc. Even in politics nowadays, women are shown to be no more or less popular in political circles and gender quotas on the houses of parliament have been frequently discussed. Yet still so few women are interested in pursuing politics. I think it is obvious that women and men just prefer different things.

    We are a sexually dimorphic species, so true equality in every instance will be impossible achieve without artificially reducing or increasing different genders' standing in certain areas. Women and men are not the same and never will be.

    So you may have your so-called "socialogical research," which most likely consists primarily of Buzzfeed and Tumblr blogs by Anita Sarkesian, on your side. But I have cold, hard facts on mine.
    Hey, about women in STEM in the west, I come from an international background and in my homecountry there are NO 'female in stem' programmes or campaigns, yet you can often see 50% of CS and many other science courses female. In Malaysia, 60% of IT jobs are female, in Iran 70% of science students are female. This is because science and maths are seen as 'cool' among kids and maths is obligatory for all. Those of us who come to the UK always think that your country is a lot more developed and then are baffled by these 'women in STEM' societies etc. Politics is mostly male in these countries, too, but in Scandinavian countries that's not the case. If anything, there are more women. So we can conclude that these 'different choices' are not universal for every country and hence it is not a biological rule for all.

    The career choices in the UK are not such because 'men and women make different choices', no matter where they live, but because they do so in certain cultures. Sorry if I sound rude, but I think a better way to get more balanced STEM courses for your country would be advertising math and science to ALL kids instead of making 'female only' scholarships, while at school science oriented children continue to be labeled geeks and nerds. That's kinda weird. It's just not doing anything good.

    PS Most of the rubbish-collectors here are women, too.. It really depends on the culture, mate. (not saying anything about jobs that require high physical strength like firefighters ofc)

    PPS Also, wouldn't date either. I want to date someone adequate.
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    Most people want to be with someone who has a sense of humor, so that rules out feminists if not both.
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    Political views unless extreme would not infludence my opinion on whether or not I would date someone.

    Meninism is a ridiculous concept. It isn't even a thing. If you believe men are oppressed and have no rights, you clearly do not live in the real world or are clinically insane - take your pick.
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    (Original post by Gorthaur)
    Hey, about women in STEM in the west, I come from an international background and in my homecountry there are NO 'female in stem' programmes or campaigns, yet you can often see 50% of CS and many other science courses female. In Malaysia, 60% of IT jobs are female, in Iran 70% of science students are female. This is because science and maths are seen as 'cool' among kids and maths is obligatory for all. Those of us who come to the UK always think that your country is a lot more developed and then are baffled by these 'women in STEM' societies etc. Politics is mostly male in these countries, too, but in Scandinavian countries that's not the case. If anything, there are more women. So we can conclude that these 'different choices' are not universal for every country and hence it is not a biological rule for all.

    The career choices in the UK are not such because 'men and women make different choices', no matter where they live, but because they do so in certain cultures. Sorry if I sound rude, but I think a better way to get more balanced STEM courses for your country would be advertising math and science to ALL kids instead of making 'female only' scholarships, while at school science oriented children continue to be labeled geeks and nerds. That's kinda weird. It's just not doing anything good.

    PS Most of the rubbish-collectors here are women, too.. It really depends on the culture, mate. (not saying anything about jobs that require high physical strength like firefighters ofc)

    PPS Also, wouldn't date either. I want to date someone adequate.
    No problem. I don't find someone disagreeing with my opinion rude.

    Having lived in an international school in Malaysia for 2 years (which was home to many Koreans, Taiwanese, Chinese and Indians as well as Malaysians), I am aware of the attitudes towards education there and in many other South East Asian countries. Iran, I could not possibly comment on as I have never even met an Iranian, let alone lived there. But back in Malaysia, I have noticed that parents often push their children towards law or STEM wherever possible, something high paying and 'respectable' whether they are daughters or sons. Whereas in the UK, parents generally allow their kids to take whatever career path they want, as long as they do something. Which leads me to conclude that the lack of women in STEM here is more down to their personal choice than the comparatively plentiful numbers that you speak of elsewhere. As girls typically achieve slightly higher than boys in the classroom then I am not surprised to see more women in some of these professions, though obviously that is not the only factor. Naturally, there will be some areas of STEM that females are more likely to prefer than others, so there will still be unequal gender ratios is some areas of STEM, regardless. Male and female brains work in very different ways,

    I also cannot speak for the Scandinavian countries either. I don't know anyone from that part of Europe. So I couldn't possibly comment on that.

    I can say with certainty that STEM courses are advertised at least equally to both genders of school students, if not more so to girls. It's just people find them boring, girls moreso than boys. I guess here we only have our differences of opinion. I do disagree with the label of 'nerd/geek' in this culture though. I think it's disgraceful, but it has nothing to do with the genders.
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    (Original post by The Good Doctor)
    No problem. I don't find someone disagreeing with my opinion rude.

    Having lived in an international school in Malaysia for 2 years (which was home to many Koreans, Taiwanese, Chinese and Indians as well as Malaysians), I am aware of the attitudes towards education there and in many other South East Asian countries. Iran, I could not possibly comment on as I have never even met an Iranian, let alone lived there. But back in Malaysia, I have noticed that parents often push their children towards law or STEM wherever possible, something high paying and 'respectable' whether they are daughters or sons. Whereas in the UK, parents generally allow their kids to take whatever career path they want, as long as they do something. Which leads me to conclude that the lack of women in STEM here is more down to their personal choice than the comparatively plentiful numbers that you speak of elsewhere. As girls typically achieve slightly higher than boys in the classroom then I am not surprised to see more women in some of these professions, though obviously that is not the only factor. Naturally, there will be some areas of STEM that females are more likely to prefer than others, so there will still be unequal gender ratios is some areas of STEM, regardless. Male and female brains work in very different ways,

    I also cannot speak for the Scandinavian countries either. I don't know anyone from that part of Europe. So I couldn't possibly comment on that.

    I can say with certainty that STEM courses are advertised at least equally to both genders of school students, if not more so to girls. It's just people find them boring, girls moreso than boys. I guess here we only have our differences of opinion. I do disagree with the label of 'nerd/geek' in this culture though. I think it's disgraceful, but it has nothing to do with the genders.
    Everything you say is true except for the 'brains working in very different ways'. I think I know what study you are referring to, and that study is not accepted in the scientific circles. I quote what a guy who has made a presentation on the paper has said:

    'The study measured connections between nodes, ~5000 possible, sexual dimorphism was found in only 50. They presented the result as 'difference' while in reality the story being told is that of overwhelming similarity. The study was later quantized to be less significant than gender disparity in height.

    There are also methodological concerns about the methods used, but I am not a neuroscientist and cannot speak about them in detail. Overall, the study seems to be pretty worthless as an endeavor. In contrast, a couple of recent studies found that the differences in spatial reasoning between the sexes may be almost totally eliminated by playing 10 hours of an action video game-and a strong effect was found with, I believe, fewer than 50 participants. The PNAS connectome paper is wasteful, irresonsible science, and the blame for that rests not with the media but with the authors.'

    Yes, there are differences in the average male and female brain, but please, please don't say that they work 'really differently' for every male and female, they do not. The brains work differently for every single individual. There are no two identical brains on Earth, like there are no identical fingerprints. I have studied this, do believe me. The individual differences within the sexes are much greater than between the sexes. You can't predict what a person will be good at. Our brains are plastic, they change over time, they change by what we do, experience and study. The brains of a male and female mathematicians are far more alike than the brains of a male engineer and a male historian.

    Also, it is not a very good idea to say that girls only study those subjects there because they are pushed into it. In Asia, both genders are. But I've lived in Russia for a long time and here scientists are regarded as people with no money driven ONLY by their passion for the job. Yet our CS courses are often half female. No one is pushed. It is their choice.

    PS It's also worth mentioning that in the UK Mathematics, Medicine, Chemistry, Physics are well-balanced between genders and all the life sciences are predominantly female.
 
 
 
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