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    BBC running a front page story on the potential "threat" North Korea pose to the UK. :laugh:

    It would be funny if it weren't so ridiculously transparent what point of view they're trying to put across.

    Basing the renewal of Trident on some non-existent threat North Korea's nuclear weapons pose to the UK is none too dissimilar from that whole "Weapons of Mass Destruction" gag that got us into war with Iraq. No doubt however, that they'll use Corbyn's stance on the Trident renewal as reasoning as to why he's a threat to our national security. If you take a peak at the article's comments you can already see the outrage Corbyn's position is stirring.

    The last few days have really shown me how little you can trust the media - they always have an agenda to push.
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    I have considerable concerns about Corbyn's views on defence. I wouldn't exactly consider myself an interventionist, but too much pacifism and anti-armed forces views are one of the issues I have with parts of the left wing and with Corbyn. For god's sake, he even opposes air strikes on ISIS.

    However, the Conservative party and politicians responsible for cutting the military budget, cutting the size of the armed forces and leaving us without our own aircraft carrier aren't exactly in a strong position to condemn Corbyn as a "threat to national security".
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Behind the scenes they're ****ting themselves. They know they didn't really win, it was just luck that last time they fell short and this time they crept over the line; remember the coalition lost thirty seats. That's why they're trying to summon up the ghost of those great Thatcher and Blair second landslides and the bombast that went with them.

    They remember the last time they had a tiny majority - and that was nearly twice the size of this one. It's why they currently have about four gerrymandering projects making their way through the machinery of government: EVEL, leaning on the Boundary Review, packing the Lords and planning to cut the number of MPs. None really reported in the popular press of course.
    I think you've made this argument before and I've picked you up on it. It is a ridiculous thing to say - the coalition is not a political party and didn't stand for election. In 2010, the Tories failed to win enough seats so had to form a government with the LibDems - 5 years later, they gained seats to form a majority. Do not try and paint this as if the Tories have lost support - they gained it, which is quite extraordinary for a governing party.
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    (Original post by ibzombie96)
    Do not try and paint this as if the Tories have lost support - they gained it, which is quite extraordinary for a governing party.
    And the existence of the coalition, itself an extraordinary thing, is in my view part of the reason for that.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    And the existence of the coalition, itself an extraordinary thing, is in my view part of the reason for that.
    That's fine - you just can't make the assertion that the coalition lost seats in order to prove some proxy lack of support for the Tories. The fact is that they quite extraordinarily gained both seats and votes between 2010 and 2015.
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    No mention from the Head of MI5 today about the 'threat to national security' that Jeremy Corbyn poses. (According to our always-right Prime Minister.)
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live

    It's strange, because Andrew Parker, Head of MI5, was appearing on Today on national radio and could have easily used the opportunity to agree with Cameron.

    Perhaps in reality Corbyn isn't a threat to national security after all?
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    The man's clinically insane.

    He had an affair with Dianne Abbott.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...plit-wife.html
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    The man's clinically insane.

    He had an affair with Dianne Abbott.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...plit-wife.html
    Left-wingers said to have had brief relationship after he split from his first wife
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    (Original post by ibzombie96)
    That's fine - you just can't make the assertion that the coalition lost seats in order to prove some proxy lack of support for the Tories. The fact is that they quite extraordinarily gained both seats and votes between 2010 and 2015.
    I am not trying to say the country rejected the Tories, but equally you shouldn't paint it as some kind of amazing thing that they fell just short last time but crept over the line this time. Unfortunately I haven't seen anything properly breaking down the way the vote split in southern English seats between Labour, Lib Dems and UKIP. I suggest that this extraordinary increase in vote share was a result of the equally extraordinary coalition.
    Even putting it in the simplest terms, as you plainly agree, the previous government wasn't a Tory government, it was a coalition one, so it's not true to say the governing party increased its vote share for the first time. The Tories may well have, but not as the governing party.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    The man's clinically insane.

    He had an affair with Dianne Abbott.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...plit-wife.html
    Are you outraged because Diane is a black woman? Or because he has a romantic side?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    The man's clinically insane.

    He had an affair with Dianne Abbott.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...plit-wife.html
    Got to laugh at that, wow, Diane Abbott!

    His attitude to casual consumption is like mine, though I stop short of eating cold baked beans... I bet he also sees economic transactions as a stressful, adversarial thing which is best avoided.

    Doubtless if he ever did dare to take his wife out for a meal, send son to grammar school you would be calling him a champagne socialist hypocrite. Finally we have a sackcloth and ashes lefty in the frame and still it's not good enough for the right wing bullies.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Are you outraged because Diane is a black woman? Or because he has a romantic side?
    No, I think it's far simpler than that: he has to find some way to criticise everything a left-winger does. Even if he eschewed all human frailties no doubt that would be wrong as well - as shown by the point made about the cold beans.

    One suspects MS36 would even have criticism for Jesus, the ultimate self-denying lefty, if he were to come back.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Perhaps in reality Corbyn isn't a threat to national security after all?
    Or perhaps, just perhaps, he won't comment on operational matters, as befits his role.

    It seems likely that the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell have been the subject of MI5 surveillance at various points over the past forty years (given how they have spoken and behaved), but the security services aren't going to be saying so.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Got to laugh at that, wow, Diane Abbott!

    His attitude to casual consumption is like mine, though I stop short of eating cold baked beans... I bet he also sees economic transactions as a stressful, adversarial thing which is best avoided.

    Doubtless if he ever did dare to take his wife out for a meal, send son to grammar school you would be calling him a champagne socialist hypocrite. Finally we have a sackcloth and ashes lefty in the frame and still it's not good enough for the right wing bullies.
    Lol, I think they are even angrier that Jez is apparently a nice, decent chap who under-dresses and sounds polite. It makes the Mail positively apoplectic. :teehee:
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Or perhaps, just perhaps, he won't comment on operational matters, as befits his role.

    It seems likely that the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell have been the subject of MI5 surveillance at various points over the past forty years (given how they have spoken and behaved), but the security services aren't going to be saying so.
    I'm sure they have files 10 metres thick on them, but that doesn't make it justified - Thatcherites and some creeps wasting taxpayers money at MI5 may think the unions and left wing people are enemies of the state, that doesn't mean we all have to.

    Incidentally, he talks about operational matters throughout the interview, but he didn't get asked about Corbyn - if he had, I'm sure he would have declined to become involved. If Cameron genuinely thinks Corbyn a threat to national security, he should call the police. I won't be holding my breath. Apparently no smear is going to be too low, cheap or unpleasant to be used against the Left.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    If Cameron genuinely thinks Corbyn a threat to national security, he should call the police.
    There are many ways to be a threat to national security that don't actually merit police involvement, seeking to implement unrestricted immigration or secession from NATO being just two.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    There are many ways to be a threat to national security that don't actually merit police involvement, seeking to implement unrestricted immigration or secession from NATO being just two.
    Or screwing the economy by keeping demand low due to low wages, massive tax evasion by the rich and corporations and austerity policies and combining it with massive cuts to the armed forces and confused, incoherent responses to foreign threats such as ISIS. And that's just the Tories.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Got to laugh at that, wow, Diane Abbott!

    His attitude to casual consumption is like mine, though I stop short of eating cold baked beans... I bet he also sees economic transactions as a stressful, adversarial thing which is best avoided.

    Doubtless if he ever did dare to take his wife out for a meal, send son to grammar school you would be calling him a champagne socialist hypocrite. Finally we have a sackcloth and ashes lefty in the frame and still it's not good enough for the right wing bullies.
    I know I do.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Or perhaps, just perhaps, he won't comment on operational matters, as befits his role.

    It seems likely that the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell have been the subject of MI5 surveillance at various points over the past forty years (given how they have spoken and behaved), but the security services aren't going to be saying so.
    Then one would certainly expect MI5 to be pissed off with Cameron for either divulging state secrets for party political gain or else misrepresenting the position of MI5 on Jeremy Corbyn.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    There are many ways to be a threat to national security that don't actually merit police involvement, seeking to implement unrestricted immigration or secession from NATO being just two.
    He would have to get into power first and in the unlikely event any of his nutty ideas about NATO and nukes even got out of the Cabinet Room, let alone past the PLP and HoC, there would be a coup before they were implemented. In this astronomically unlikely event I would support the coup
 
 
 
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