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    (Original post by High Stakes)
    So you agree that this shouldn't have been more than a mere suspicion. They should have just asked what was in the bag - if their doubts weren't put to rest, they could look in the bag and take a look at the clock. If this was a white child, this would have played out much differently. But instead because of his faith, everyone fell to hysteria and phoned in the police.
    The last thing I'd do when faced with a bag that I believe possibly has a bomb in it, is go near it or stick my face in it.

    Yes I have already said he shouldn't have been nicked & suspended. You've no real evidence for that last bit either.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Wait,when was the last time somebody brought a bomb into school in America? I thought it was mainly just shootings
    You know, there is a first time for everything. Unfortunately, closing the stable door after the horse has bolted is a little too late.

    When was the last time somebody brought bomb making chemicals on to an aircraft smuggled in the soles of their shoes?

    When was the last time a 15 year old girl (with a 29 year old Muslim boyfriend) killed her mother after watching countless ISIL beheading videos.

    When was the last time a teenager detonated a bomb in a crowded street lined with spectators watching a marathon?

    When was the last time a police bomb disposal squad detonated three improvised explosive devices made by the 14 year old son of a doctor, who intended to attack a Mothers day parade?

    The list goes on.

    The teacher was not paranoid and neither over reacted. I'd say she was diligently and responsibly cautious.
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    (Original post by gijops)
    Sigh is right, now show me a list like that of events that happened over only TEN YEARS that were done by non-muslims...

    Oh wait you can't because like I said all terrorists are Muslim, because the koran says its cool to blow up a skyscraper and kill 3000 people, not only is it allowed but you get rewarded with a VIP area in heaven for it.
    Okay quote a passage of the Quran where it says it's okay to blow up sky scrapers and that apparently you get rewarded for it or something.
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    (Original post by gijops)
    Sigh is right, now show me a list like that of events that happened over only TEN YEARS that were done by non-muslims...

    Oh wait you can't because like I said all terrorists are Muslim, because the koran says its cool to blow up a skyscraper and kill 3000 people, not only is it allowed but you get rewarded with a VIP area in heaven for it.
    You're quite the imbecile. I've given you a list above. Keep your ignorant ideas to yourself.
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    If he really HAD made a bomb do they reckon he'd have shown it to his teacher and set it up to beep loudly at regular intervals?
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    (Original post by uberteknik)
    When was the last time somebody brought bomb making chemicals on to an aircraft smuggled in the soles of their shoes?

    When was the last time a 15 year old girl (with a 29 year old Muslim boyfriend) killed her mother after watching countless ISIL beheading videos.

    When was the last time a teenager detonated a bomb in a crowded street lined with spectators watching a marathon?

    When was the last time a police bomb disposal squad detonated three improvised explosive devices made by the 14 year old son of a doctor, who intended to attack a Mothers day parade?

    The list goes on.

    The teacher was not paranoid and neither over reacted. I'd say she was diligently and responsibly cautious.
    If that was the case, they have metal detectors in schools given the number of gun shooting cases every week or month in American school that only a certain demographic commit?
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    If he really HAD made a bomb do they reckon he'd have shown it to his teacher and set it up to beep loudly at regular intervals?
    Lol n'om sayin
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    (Original post by High Stakes)
    Christian Terrorists:
    1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012. The virulent, neocon-fueled Islamophobia that has plagued post-9/11 America has not only posed a threat to Muslims, it has had deadly consequences for people of other faiths, including Sikhs. Sikhs are not Muslims; the traditional Sikh attire, including their turbans, is different from traditional Sunni, Shiite or Sufi attire. But to a racist, a bearded Sikh looks like a Muslim. Only four days after 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh immigrant from India who owned a gas station in Mesa, Arizona, was murdered by Frank Silva Roque, a racist who obviously mistook him for a Muslim.But Sodhi’s murder was not the last example of anti-Sikh violence in post-9/11 America. On Aug. 5, 2012, white supremacist Wade Michael Page used a semiautomatic weapon to murder six people during an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page’s connection to the white supremacist movement was well-documented: he had been a member of the neo-Nazi rock bands End Empathy and Definite Hate. Attorney General Eric Holder described the attack as “an act of terrorism, an act of hatred.” It was good to see the nation’s top cop acknowledge that terrorist acts can, in fact, involve white males murdering people of color.

    2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009. Imagine that a physician had been the victim of an attempted assassination by an Islamic jihadist in 1993, and received numerous death threats from al-Qaeda after that, before being murdered by an al-Qaeda member. Neocons, Fox News and the Christian Right would have had a field day. A physician was the victim of a terrorist killing that day, but neither the terrorist nor the people who inflamed the terrorist were Muslims. Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder on May 31, 2009, was a victim of Christian Right terrorism, not al-Qaeda.Tiller had a long history of being targeted for violence by Christian Right terrorists. In 1986, his clinic was firebombed. Then, in 1993, Tiller was shot five times by female Christian Right terrorist Shelly Shannon (now serving time in a federal prison) but survived that attack. Given that Tiller had been the victim of an attempted murder and received countless death threats after that, Fox News would have done well to avoid fanning the flames of unrest. Instead, Bill O’Reilly repeatedly referred to him as “Tiller the baby killer." When Roeder murdered Tiller, O’Reilly condemned the attack but did so in a way that was lukewarm at best.Keith Olbermann called O’Reilly out and denounced him as a “facilitator for domestic terrorism” and a “blindly irresponsible man.” And Crazy for Godauthor Frank Schaffer, who was formerly a figure on the Christian Right but has since become critical of that movement, asserted that the Christian Right’s extreme anti-abortion rhetoric “helped create the climate that made this murder likely to happen.” Neocon Ann Coulter, meanwhile, viewed Tiller’s murder as a source of comic relief, telling O’Reilly, “I don't really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester.” The Republican/neocon double standard when it comes to terrorism is obvious. At Fox News and AM neocon talk radio, Islamic terrorism is a source of nonstop fear-mongering, while Christian Right terrorism gets a pass.

    3. Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008. On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays, and he considered neocon Bernard Goldberg’s book, 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America, his political manifesto. Adkisson (who pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder and is now serving life in prison without parole) was vehemently anti-abortion, but apparently committing an act of terrorism during a children’s play was good ol’ Republican family values. While Adkisson’s act of terrorism was reported on Fox News, it didn't get the round-the-clock coverage an act of Islamic terrorism would have garnered.

    4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994. To hear the Christian Right tell it, there is no such thing as Christian terrorism. Tell that to the victims of the Army of God, a loose network of radical Christianists with a long history of terrorist attacks on abortion providers. One Christian Right terrorist with ties to the Army of God was Paul Jennings Hill, who was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003 for the murders of abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. Hill shot both of them in cold blood and expressed no remorse whatsoever; he insisted he was doing’s God’s work and has been exalted as a martyr by the Army of God.

    5. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996. Paul Jennings Hill is hardly the only Christian terrorist who has been praised by the Army of God; that organization has also praised Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. Hawthorne wasn’t the only person Rudolph murdered: his bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye.Rudolph’s other acts of Christian terrorism include bombing the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta) in 1997 and an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb in 1997. Rudolph was no lone wolf: he was part of a terrorist movement that encouraged his violence. And the Army of God continues to exalt Rudolph as a brave Christian who is doing God’s work.6. The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998. Like Paul Jennings Hill, Eric Rudolph and Scott Roeder, James Charles Kopp is a radical Christian terrorist who has been exalted as a hero by the Army of God. On Oct. 23, 1998 Kopp fired a single shot into the Amherst, NY home of Barnett Slepian (a doctor who performed abortions), mortally wounding him. Slepian died an hour later. Kopp later claimed he only meant to wound Slepian, not kill him. But Judge Michael D'Amico of Erin County, NY said that the killing was clearly premeditated and sentenced Kopp to 25 years to life. Kopp is a suspect in other anti-abortion terrorist attacks, including the non-fatal shootings of three doctors in Canada, though it appears unlikely that Kopp will be extradited to Canada to face any charges.

    7. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994. Seldom has the term “Christian terrorist” been used in connection with John C. Salvi on AM talk radio or at Fox News, but it’s a term that easily applies to him. In 1994, the radical anti-abortionist and Army of God member attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts, shooting and killing receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols and wounding several others. Salvi was found dead in his prison cell in 1996, and his death was ruled a suicide. The Army of God has exalted Salvi as a Christian martyr and described Lowney and Nichols not as victims of domestic terrorism, but as infidels who got what they deserved. The Rev. Donald Spitz, a Christianist and Army of God supporter who is so extreme that even the radical anti-abortion group Operation Rescue disassociated itself from him, has praised Salvi as well.

    8. Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010. When Joseph Stack flew a plane into the Echelon office complex (where an IRS office was located), Fox News’ coverage of the incident was calm and matter-of-fact. Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa seemed to find the attack amusing and joked that it could have been avoided if the federal government had followed his advice and abolished the IRS. Nonetheless, there were two fatalities: Stack and IRS employee Vernon Hunter. Stack left behind a rambling suicide note outlining his reasons for the attack, which included a disdain for the IRS as well as total disgust with health insurance companies and bank bailouts. Some of the most insightful coverage of the incident came from Noam Chomsky, who said that while Stack had some legitimate grievances—millions of Americans shared his outrage over bank bailouts and the practices of health insurance companies—the way he expressed them was absolutely wrong.

    9. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984. One of the most absurd claims some Republicans have made about white supremacists is that they are liberals and progressives. That claim is especially ludicrous in light of the terrorist killing of liberal Denver-based talk show host Alan Berg, a critic of white supremacists who was killed with an automatic weapon on June 18, 1984. The killing was linked to members of the Order, a white supremacist group that had marked Berg for death. Order members David Lane (a former Ku Klux Klan member who had also been active in the Aryan Nations) and Bruce Pierce were both convicted in federal court on charges of racketeering, conspiracy and violating Berg’s civil rights and given what amounted to life sentences.Robert Matthews, who founded the Order, got that name from a fictional group in white supremacist William Luther Pierce’s anti-Semitic 1978 novel, The Turner Diaries—a book Timothy McVeigh was quite fond of. The novel’s fictional account of the destruction of a government building has been described as the inspiration for the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995.

    10. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995.Neocons and Republicans grow angry and uncomfortable whenever Timothy McVeigh is cited as an example of a non-Islamic terrorist. Pointing out that a non-Muslim white male carried out an attack as vicious and deadly as the Oklahoma City bombing doesn’t fit into their narrative that only Muslims and people of color are capable of carrying out terrorist attacks. Neocons will claim that bringing up McVeigh’s name during a discussion of terrorism is a “red herring” that distracts us from fighting radical Islamists, but that downplays the cruel, destructive nature of the attack.Prior to the al-Qaeda attacks of 9/11, the Oklahoma City bombing McVeigh orchestrated was the most deadly terrorist attack in U.S. history: 168 people were killed and more than 600 were injured. When McVeigh used a rented truck filled with explosives to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, his goal was to kill as many people as possible. McVeigh was motivated by an extreme hatred for the U.S. government and saw the attack as revenge for the Ruby Ridge incident of 1992 and the Waco Siege in 1993. He had white supremacist leanings as well (when he was in the U.S. Army, McVeigh was reprimanded for wearing a “white power” T-shirt he had bought at a KKK demonstration). McVeigh was executed on June 11, 2001. He should have served life without parole instead, as a living reminder of the type of viciousness the extreme right is capable of.

    well done, you have gathered every Christian terrorist incident ever.... do you really think the sheer amount compares? Trust me If I had the time I could give you a list of 1000+ Muslim terrorist incidents since WWII your list wont even make a 1% comparison, not only that your list spreads out over 30 years whereas mine is a snippet of the past decade
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    (Original post by gijops)
    well done, you have gathered every Christian terrorist incident ever.... do you really think the sheer amount compares? Trust me If I had the time I could give you a list of 1000+ Muslim terrorist incidents since WWII your list wont even make a 1% comparison, not only that your list spreads out over 30 years whereas mine is a snippet of the past decade
    Your argument was that all Muslims were terrorists, you moron. This was also a snippet. This was just Christians. There are plenty of other faiths that have committed acts of terrorism.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Look at the irony

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    Incorrect comparison. That project was already vetted with the school beforehand who supplied the materials. There was even a BBC news crew filming the whole thing as it was being done.

    If you think that a kid who bought a reactor to school unannounced wouldn't have raised alarm, you're more delusional than you look.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    If he really HAD made a bomb do they reckon he'd have shown it to his teacher and set it up to beep loudly at regular intervals?
    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Lol n'om sayin
    Read the thread. Apparently his engineer teacher saw it and said not to show anyone else. It was a separate teacher that discovered it.

    nomsayin?

    (Ignore this if evidence is provided that it was the engineer teacher who kicked off.)
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    (Original post by gijops)
    well done, you have gathered every Christian terrorist incident ever.... do you really think the sheer amount compares? Trust me If I had the time I could give you a list of 1000+ Muslim terrorist incidents since WWII your list wont even make a 1% comparison, not only that your list spreads out over 30 years whereas mine is a snippet of the past decade
    You just shot yourself in the foot so... Clearly,not all terrorists are Muslim afterall
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    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    Read the thread. Apparently his engineer teacher saw it and said not to show anyone else. It was a separate teacher that discovered it.

    nomsayin?

    (Ignore this if evidence is provided that it was the engineer teacher who kicked off.)
    And who is this engineer teacher and why would he ask him not to show it,don't you think he would have confiscated it at least? Kind of weird
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    (Original post by jedanselemyia)
    This is so sad, he's only 14 ffs
    Have you seen the look on his face when he's being arrested? So heartbreaking
    Yes, because terrorists obviously give a f*ck about how old somebody is before they strap them with a bomb.

    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Get a life. He's a little boy,he looks so innocent
    So that's the criteria by which we should determine guilt? How 'innocent' somebody looks? You told somebody else on here to get a life; I suggest you go get a brain. If this had been a real bomb, apologists like you would've been first in line calling the kid a 'bad apple' who isn't representative of the majority of Muslims.
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    (Original post by High Stakes)
    They heard ticking from his bag,
    It's helps if you are going to form an opinion on something you look for the facts

    An electronic clock does not tick

    The beeping coming from his bag (its there in the news reports if you bother to read them) is what alarmed his teacher

    His teacher has a duty of care to all students and took the actions they have been told to take
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    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    Why would I know what a motherboard looks like? I've never taken apart a computer, or a laptop, or any other kind of electronic.

    The point is that it doesn't look like a clock and to many people it would look suspicious.
    Christ if you're that scared of electronics because of the possibility it could be a bomb i'd hate to see you in a car.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    If that was the case, they have metal detectors in schools given the number of gun shooting cases every week or month in American school that only a certain demographic commit?
    The obvious place for a terrorist to sneak a weapon or a bomb in would be a school with no metal detectors and poor security.

    The teacher acted in the best interests of all pupils in her charge.

    The first and foremost priority is to ensure the safety of the children, staff and public at the school and not worry about being politically incorrect and insensitive about whether she may be construed as acting with racial prejudice or discrimination. The latter behaviour is responsible for the paedophile rings exploiting 1400+ vulnerable girls over a 16 year period because of political correctness and not wanting to upset ethnic minority groups.

    I have previously been stopped at airport security with a pressure sensor and associated electronics in my briefcase (for an engineering development test in France) and ushered discretely away to a secure room where I was searched and questioned at length before release. (truth). The security staff were doing their job, I was doing mine. End of story.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Yes, because terrorists obviously give a f*ck about how old somebody is before they strap them with a bomb.



    So that's the criteria by which we should determine guilt? How 'innocent' somebody looks? You told somebody else on here to get a life; I suggest you go get a brain. If this had been a real bomb, apologists like you would've been first in line calling the kid a 'bad apple' who isn't representative of the majority of Muslims.
    Get a life and stop hating on Muslims

    What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    With funding from his school, the two projects are not even vaguely comparable.

    I smell racial profiling

    When was the last time you heard a Muslim kid being backed by their school to build a reactor or something along those lines. Certain demographics hold certain priveleges nobody else can dream of
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    And who is this engineer teacher and why would he ask him not to show it,don't you think he would have confiscated it at least? Kind of weird
    If he had a good relationship with the kid then possibly not, no.

    Read the article that was posted on the first page.

    Ahmed Mohamed, 14, made the clock – a circuit hologram case stuffed with circuits – and brought it to school on Monday (14 September) in an attempt to impress his engineering teacher.
    Later in the day Ahmed's creation was confiscated
 
 
 
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