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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    I'm sorry, I don't meet TSR people. I have no idea who you are.
    yeah you do, you were in my city for a job you quit like a week later. We met for coffee and you spent the whole time ****ging off the place I live


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    (Original post by Louisb19)
    I have no problem with people like you. Just sometimes when I see raging meat eaters talking about how they don't care about any of the ethics of it, they look to me no different than someone being cruel to and torturing house pets.
    I concur nice exchanging words with you
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    why won't you reply to my post?
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    why won't you reply to my post?
    Sorry i havent seen any notification, i think it must have got lost ive been getting quite a few on this thread ill go look now
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    I think it does to be honest, don't you think it's immoral to do ^ (what I just posted) to an animal? if you don't, you're not compassionate.

    Even if the animals are being killed in a 'painless' way (not true...but anyway) how do you feel putting a living being who is aware of it's surroundings in the situation where it knows it's just moments away from it's death. Then you eat it? If you do that and say your compassionate, you are wrong!
    Yeah sorry didnt see this
    I know it is immoral, i have actually tried being vegetarian before, it doesnt work for me right now, being vegetarian is really a lifestyle and it isnt one that i am prepared for right now
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    This attitude right here is why a lot of vegans/feminists ect.. do their movement more harm than good.
    Is it just me, or does this guy have the means to escape his cave?
    Now the debate becomes whether he will become a vegetarian, as he's left his cave, or he will eat all the fluffy bunnies from the SJWs' back yard :lol:
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    "wat if chicken is not kill?'
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    (Original post by BekahMay)
    Some people act as if meat eaters are wanting animals to suffer, that is where i really disagree with people
    I can't put it in plainer English but if you care about animals you wouldn't eat them. There is no way to eat an animal that hasn't suffered. Think about that for a moment.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    I can't put it in plainer English but if you care about animals you wouldn't eat them. There is no way to eat an animal that hasn't suffered. Think about that for a moment.
    Absolute tosh - you can care about their treatment while alive, but still eat them in the end, because they're a natural part of our diet.

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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    I'm happy i'm not a meat-eating savage. For me animal killers and eaters fall into the same category as rapists, paedophiles, murderers and torturers.
    Holy ****. There are humane ways to kill animals. There are very humane ways to be an omnivore. It is a part of life that animals are killed for food by all species and being a human does not exempt you from this if you wish to be an omnivore.

    You are on the same level as crazy people such as this: (little warning, there's swearing if you're a bit sensitive about that)

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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Absolute tosh - you can care about their treatment while alive, but still eat them in the end, because they're a natural part of our diet.

    [img]http://i.imgur.com/B0ofRDj.jpg[/img
    Eating animals is not a natural part of our diet. It is an optional part of our diet. We can live perfectly healthy lives without it. Also do you ever think about the animal that has died? Did you think about what its' life would have been like if you hadn't deprived it from living? It might have been roaming on a mountain path, eating grass in a forest, enjoying the sound of the river moving past or the rain falling on it's hide. Animals have feelings just like you and me and animals know when they are about to be slaughtered. Just because you treat it better, it doesn't take away from the fact that it will diet the same painful, horrific death as animals that are raised in poorer conditions. Death is death for an animal. You didn't give it an option. You murdered it so you could eat it. Non-human animal murder is just as bad as human animal murder. This is especially true since we are not lions or polar bears. We are intelligent animals with the know how and ability to live off a plant based diet should we choose to do so. There is no justification or need to eat meat in this day and age.
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    What?! No way!! Do you have a link! I'm telling you they are psychopaths, or have similar traits. You can't stay sane working in a place like that.

    I do bash meat eaters for their choices. I don't bash the ones that accept this happens and continue, that is up to them, I bash the ones that are ignorant.
    I don't have a link, this was a long documentary I saw on television several years ago and it changed my life. I don't think I could stomach watching such a thing again. But it's well known that people who dare to expose the dary/meat industry for the horrors it is responsible for, do this at risk of their lives. Those who go there undercover to film and photograph these attrocities are true heroes.

    This is a photo of Sherri Ocaso crying as she is watching and photographing the mass butchering of dolphins for food in Taiji, Japan. The photo does not have to do with the dairy industry of course but it is quite a powerful image for me.
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    (Original post by CloakedSpartan)
    Holy ****. There are humane ways to kill animals. There are very humane ways to be an omnivore. It is a part of life that animals are killed for food by all species and being a human does not exempt you from this if you wish to be an omnivore.

    You are on the same level as crazy people such as this: (little warning, there's swearing if you're a bit sensitive about that)

    And you are on the same wavelength as meat-eaters who think it is okay to take an animals' life without their permission. You think torture and murder is acceptable. You are okay with the holocaust of 160million animals a day. I think she was spot on to be honest . If any other non-human animal did what we do to our planet, we would be defined as a parasite.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    “As long as Man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings, he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love.”
    ― Pythagoras

    Who agrees? When I see a meat eater, I can see savage backwards human beings who haven't left their caves yet. How can humans expect there to be world peace when we butcher each other, animals, and destroy our planet?

    If everyone understood veganism, they would understand the importance of caring about all life, not just human life. Only then can we strive for world peace. Pythagoras was millennia ahead of his time. What a legend!
    If we all had that attitude we'd still be living in caves. Further to that the quote is stupid, it implies if we all became vegetarians/vegans then there would be no more killing of humans


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    If we all had that attitude we'd still be living in caves. Further to that the quote is stupid, it implies if we all became vegetarians/vegans then there would be no more killing of humans


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    That is an interesting philosophical point you raise . I wonder many times whether humans would kill other humans if we didn't eat meat. I would like to think that humans wouldn't kill any other humans if they became vegans and vegetarians. The reason I think this is because if they care about non-human animals enough not to kill or want to eat them, you would hope they would be aware enough and compassionate enough to care about their own species just as much, if not more. However, if humans can't even care for animals, there is no hope for humans caring about each other. That's the way I see it.

    Please do share your thoughts on this.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    And you are on the same wavelength as meat-eaters who think it is okay to take an animals' life without their permission. You think torture and murder is acceptable. You are okay with the holocaust of 160million animals a day. I think she was spot on to be honest . If any other non-human animal did what we do to our planet, we would be defined as a parasite.
    belittling and comparing the killing of animals to the holocaust is antisemitic jsyk


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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    Eating animals is not a natural part of our diet.
    Homo Sapiens is an omnivorous species, so wrong.



    Also do you ever think about the animal that has died? Did you think about what its' life would have been like if you hadn't deprived it from living? It might have been roaming on a mountain path, eating grass in a forest, enjoying the sound of the river moving past or the rain falling on it's hide.
    Unlikely, the animals we eat are reared on farms.

    Animals have feelings just like you and me and animals know when they are about to be slaughtered. Just because you treat it better, it doesn't take away from the fact that it will diet the same painful, horrific death as animals that are raised in poorer conditions. Death is death for an animal. You didn't give it an option. You murdered it so you could eat it. Non-human animal murder is just as bad as human animal murder. This is especially true since we are not lions or polar bears.
    Not true actually, generally the slaughter methods are fairly humane, so the animals don't really feel much. Besides, they've got to die eventually, why not make use of that?

    We are intelligent animals with the know how and ability to live off a plant based diet should we choose to do so. There is no justification or need to eat meat in this day and age.
    So, you think animals are deserving of equal rights but insult them. Charming. Who really loves animals here?
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    belittling and comparing the killing of animals to the holocaust is antisemitic jsyk


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    The definition of Holocaust is: "The destruction and slaughter on a mass scale". Whether it is human or animal, it is the same, by definition. This doesn't make me anti-semitic. You are clutching at straws Odd Socks. Please take back that accusation.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    And you are on the same wavelength as meat-eaters who think it is okay to take an animals' life without their permission. You think torture and murder is acceptable. You are okay with the holocaust of 160million animals a day. I think she was spot on to be honest . If any other non-human animal did what we do to our planet, we would be defined as a parasite.
    I imagine you support the RSPCA.

    As in, the RSPCA that makes logical statements that completely disagree with extreme veganism.

    Don't inflate your arguments.

    Eating meat is not the same as murder.
    Eating meat is not bad for the planet, and is not unhealthy.
    It isn't unnatural, and it isn't cruel.

    You know who else killed people who didn't live the same way he did? Hitler.

    There are ways of raising cattle that are carbon neutral, and there are ways of humane killing that even the RSPCA agrees with.

    And at the end of the day, there is also a race for survival that humans must also participate in. What happens when these species become overpopulated and start causing issues? You would have us leave them and start to result in the deaths of many people - or let them starve to death or kill them ourselves, in which case your extreme veganism is pointless?

    By the way, I'm not saying you quote slice your definitions which is a form of fallacy, but the actual definition is

    destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war.
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    The definition of Holocaust is: "The destruction and slaughter on a mass scale". Whether it is human or animal, it is the same, by definition. This doesn't make me anti-semitic. You are clutching at straws Odd Socks.
    I'm not clutching at anything. While the word may be defined as that in a dictionary, realistically it's intrinsically tied to the torture and murder of Jewish and Rromani people, don't try and pretend otherwise. You should maybe think before you say some things as you've managed to be very offensive in this thread


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