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    (Original post by 0range)
    Well two scoops of soy (I lift) + peanut butter, Also a mixture of different beans and lentils which usually comes to 60g, and I snack on different nuts as well.
    Which is by far more than I prob need.
    Just sit down and do the crunch the numbers on your macros. Plus as I mentioned to the other person, are you getting the full range of proteins you need? Sadly biology isn't as simple as just swapping all meat etc out for some type of nut etc.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Just sit down and do the crunch the numbers on your macros. Plus as I mentioned to the other person, are you getting the full range of proteins you need? Sadly biology isn't as simple as just swapping all meat etc out for some type of nut etc.
    Guess it just matters on what you prioritise, I get roughly 150g a day. I don't really care much about the full range of protein as I feel that is less important than say not killing the lives of hundreds of animals.
    Most people around the world are skinnyfat and don't even get enough protein, let alone the full range as you put it.
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    (Original post by 0range)
    Guess it just matters on what you prioritise, I get roughly 150g a day. I don't really care much about the full range of protein as I feel that is less important than say not killing the lives of hundreds of animals.
    Most people around the world are skinnyfat and don't even get enough protein, let alone the full range as you put it.
    Each to their own, but my comment was not about morals, but simply what is healthy and what is not It's insanely hard to find natural substitutes to meat. Plus you forget that if it was not for people eating meat then none of the cattle would be alive as the land would be needed for crops.
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    (Original post by 0range)
    Guess it just matters on what you prioritise, I get roughly 150g a day. I don't really care much about the full range of protein as I feel that is less important than say not killing the lives of hundreds of animals.
    Most people around the world are skinnyfat and don't even get enough protein, let alone the full range as you put it.
    I'd rather kill the animals and get meat.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Each to their own, but my comment was not about morals, but simply what is healthy and what is not It's insanely hard to find natural substitutes to meat.
    Quorn and rice and beans have a complete protein make up, if that's what you're referring to.
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    (Original post by 0range)
    Are you actually kidding me? "an 18% increase doesn't amount to much" Mate that is almost 1/5th of an increase. That is a ****ing lot.
    Not really - the risk goes from 5% to 5.9%. Risk is still tiny, the 18% is still quite small because the baseline risk is so low.



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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Each to their own, but my comment was not about morals, but simply what is healthy and what is not It's insanely hard to find natural substitutes to meat. Plus you forget that if it was not for people eating meat then none of the cattle would be alive as the land would be needed for crops.
    That can work both ways. If we didn't eat meat, cows wouldn't have been bred in the first place for food. And if that didn't happen we wouldn't have had the deforestation that was needed so we could plant crops and grasses to feed these cows. Also you must note that clearing forests, so you can feed cows, so you can eat them is far more energy inefficient and releases substantially more greenhouses gases than clearing a bit of land that is required to sustain a human population. The land that we clear and use to raise 100 cows could sustain hundreds if not thousands of people on the same surface area of land that has been wasted to raise these said animals for meat.

    Go Vegan, save our planet :cool: Save animals :cool: save yourself! :cool:
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    That can work both ways. If we didn't eat meat, cows wouldn't have been bred in the first place for food. And if that didn't happen we wouldn't have had the deforestation that was needed so we could plant crops and grasses to feed these cows. Also you must note that clearing forests, so you can feed cows, so you can eat them is far more energy inefficient and releases substantially more greenhouses gases than clearing a bit of land that is required to sustain a human population. The land that we clear and use to raise 100 cows could sustain hundreds if not thousands of people on the same surface area of land that has been wasted to raise these said animals for meat.

    Go Vegan, save our planet :cool: Save animals :cool: save yourself! :cool:
    Your estimations are pretty far off.

    Using conventional methods (ie not organic)
    To raise 100 cattle for need about 60 ha on grazing alone.
    On 60 ha of grade 3 pasture land you will average about 8 tonnes/ha of wheat.
    So 480 tonnes of wheat which would be about 480 tonnes of flour.
    In a large loaf of bread there is roughly 500g a wheat.
    So you could make about 960,000 loaves of bread for the space that 100 cattle take up.

    Off 100 cattle with a killing out percentage of about 70% you would get about 560,000kg of meat.

    These calculations are all rough estimates.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Your estimations are pretty far off.

    Using conventional methods (ie not organic)
    To raise 100 cattle for need about 60 ha on grazing alone.
    On 60 ha of grade 3 pasture land you will average about 8 tonnes/ha of wheat.
    So 480 tonnes of wheat which would be about 480 tonnes of flour.
    In a large loaf of bread there is roughly 500g a wheat.
    So you could make about 960,000 loaves of bread for the space that 100 cattle take up.

    Off 100 cattle with a killing out percentage of about 70% you would get about 560,000kg of meat.

    These calculations are all rough estimates.
    i don't think anyone would argue that raising cows for meat is a sustainable use of land
    like yeah, no one
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    I was born a vegetarian due to my parents (Thanks mum and dad!!! ) and I never tried meat in my life.
    In primary school it was only me and one other girl in my class who were vegetarians, and I hadn't even heard of veganism at the time.

    Last august I went vegan for health reasons after I met a vegan who told me I would lose weight if I gave up dairy products.
    And it did work.
    After that happened, I watched a lot of documentaries about Veganism and realised the atrocities of dairy and eggs in factory farming, and the exploitation of bees, and the health side effects of eating dairy.

    I went vegan for health benefits, but have stayed vegan for all the animals (not just the ones I was helping when I was a vegetarian) and for the environment (watch Cowspiracy guys).

    I was shocked to find out the fact I was a vegetarian was not as effective as I had always thoughts and that the only way was veganism. Atleast I know now.

    I am sooooo happy to see an increase of vegan threads in TSR and I hope there are even more of us eventually.
    Even in restaurants I get pleasantly surprised when I see more and more vegan options.
    We're changing the world!!!!!
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    eating meat is definitely bad for animals. no animal wants to be raised in conditions that range from ok to awful for a short time before they're driven to a slaughterhouse to meet their violent end. tremendous abuse happens within the animal agriculture industry, unimaginable suffering taking place every moment because humans like cheap, convenient meat. slaughterhouses are hell on earth and it is not ok for an animal to be murdered there. it's sickening and if one were to take a clear, rational perspective of what's really going on, they would not buy supermarket meat anymore. the clearest and most rational would not eat meat unless absolutely necessary.

    eating meat is definitely bad for the environment. some facts:

    - Animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of greenhouse gas emissions, more than the combined exhaust from all transportation. Transportation exhaust is responsible for 13% of all greenhouse gas emissions.
    - Livestock and their byproducts account for at least 32,000 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) per year, or 51% of all worldwide greenhouse gas emissions.
    - Methane is 25-100 times more destructive than CO2 on a 20 year time frame.
    - Livestock is responsible for 65% of all human-related emissions of nitrous oxide – a greenhouse gas with 296 times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide, and which stays in the atmosphere for 150 years.
    - Emissions for agriculture projected to increase 80% by 2050.
    - Energy related emissions expected to increase 20% by 2040.
    - US Methane emissions from livestock and natural gas are nearly equal.
    - Cows produce 150 billion gallons of methane per day.
    - Converting to wind and solar power will take 20+ years and roughly 43 trillion dollars.
    - Even without fossil fuels, we will exceed our 565 gigatonnes CO2e limit by 2030, all from raising animals.
    - Reducing methane emissions would create tangible benefits almost immediately.
    - Fracking (hydraulic fracturing) water use ranges from 70-140 billion gallons annually.
    - Animal agriculture water consumption ranges from 34-76 trillion gallons annually.
    - Agriculture is responsible for 80-90% of US water consumption.
    - Growing feed crops for livestock consumes 56% of water in the US.
    - Californians use 1500 gallons of water per person per day. Close to Half is associated with meat and dairy products.
    - 2,500 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 pound of beef.
    - 477 gallons of water are required to produce 1lb. of eggs; almost 900 gallons of water are needed for 1lb. of cheese.
    - 1,000 gallons of water are required to produce 1 gallon of milk.
    - 5% of water consumed in the US is by private homes. 55% of water consumed in the US is for animal agriculture.
    - Animal Agriculture is responsible for 20%-33% of all fresh water consumption in the world today.
    - Livestock or livestock feed occupies 1/3 of the earth’s ice-free land.
    - Livestock covers 45% of the earth’s total land.
    - Animal agriculture is the leading cause of species extinction, ocean dead zones, water pollution, and habitat destruction.
    - Livestock operations on land have created more than 500 nitrogen flooded deadzones around the world in our oceans.
    - Largest mass extinction in 65 million years.
    - 2-5 acres of land are used per cow.
    - Nearly half of the contiguous US is devoted to animal agriculture.
    - 1/3 of the planet is desertified, with livestock as the leading driver.
    - Every minute, 7 million pounds of excrement are produced by animals raised for food in the US.
    - A farm with 2,500 dairy cows produces the same amount of waste as a city of 411,000 people.
    - 130 times more animal waste than human waste is produced in the US – 1.4 billion tons from the meat industry annually. 5 tons of animal waste is produced per person in the US.
    - In the U.S. livestock produce 116,000 lbs of waste per second
    - Animals produce Enough waste to cover SF, NYC, Tokyo, etc,

    keep reading here: http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/
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    (Original post by fairytalecolours)
    eating meat is definitely bad for animals. no animal wants to be raised in conditions that range from ok to awful for a short time before they're driven to a slaughterhouse to meet their violent end. tremendous abuse happens within the animal agriculture industry, unimaginable suffering taking place every moment because humans like cheap, convenient meat. slaughterhouses are hell on earth and it is not ok for an animal to be murdered there. it's sickening and if one were to take a clear, rational perspective of what's really going on, they would not buy supermarket meat anymore. the clearest and most rational would not eat meat unless absolutely necessary.

    eating meat is definitely bad for the environment. some facts:

    - Animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of greenhouse gas emissions, more than the combined exhaust from all transportation. Transportation exhaust is responsible for 13% of all greenhouse gas emissions.
    - Livestock and their byproducts account for at least 32,000 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) per year, or 51% of all worldwide greenhouse gas emissions.
    - Methane is 25-100 times more destructive than CO2 on a 20 year time frame.
    - Livestock is responsible for 65% of all human-related emissions of nitrous oxide – a greenhouse gas with 296 times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide, and which stays in the atmosphere for 150 years.
    - Emissions for agriculture projected to increase 80% by 2050.
    - Energy related emissions expected to increase 20% by 2040.
    - US Methane emissions from livestock and natural gas are nearly equal.
    - Cows produce 150 billion gallons of methane per day.
    - Converting to wind and solar power will take 20+ years and roughly 43 trillion dollars.
    - Even without fossil fuels, we will exceed our 565 gigatonnes CO2e limit by 2030, all from raising animals.
    - Reducing methane emissions would create tangible benefits almost immediately.
    - Fracking (hydraulic fracturing) water use ranges from 70-140 billion gallons annually.
    - Animal agriculture water consumption ranges from 34-76 trillion gallons annually.
    - Agriculture is responsible for 80-90% of US water consumption.
    - Growing feed crops for livestock consumes 56% of water in the US.
    - Californians use 1500 gallons of water per person per day. Close to Half is associated with meat and dairy products.
    - 2,500 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 pound of beef.
    - 477 gallons of water are required to produce 1lb. of eggs; almost 900 gallons of water are needed for 1lb. of cheese.
    - 1,000 gallons of water are required to produce 1 gallon of milk.
    - 5% of water consumed in the US is by private homes. 55% of water consumed in the US is for animal agriculture.
    - Animal Agriculture is responsible for 20%-33% of all fresh water consumption in the world today.
    - Livestock or livestock feed occupies 1/3 of the earth’s ice-free land.
    - Livestock covers 45% of the earth’s total land.
    - Animal agriculture is the leading cause of species extinction, ocean dead zones, water pollution, and habitat destruction.
    - Livestock operations on land have created more than 500 nitrogen flooded deadzones around the world in our oceans.
    - Largest mass extinction in 65 million years.
    - 2-5 acres of land are used per cow.
    - Nearly half of the contiguous US is devoted to animal agriculture.
    - 1/3 of the planet is desertified, with livestock as the leading driver.
    - Every minute, 7 million pounds of excrement are produced by animals raised for food in the US.
    - A farm with 2,500 dairy cows produces the same amount of waste as a city of 411,000 people.
    - 130 times more animal waste than human waste is produced in the US – 1.4 billion tons from the meat industry annually. 5 tons of animal waste is produced per person in the US.
    - In the U.S. livestock produce 116,000 lbs of waste per second
    - Animals produce Enough waste to cover SF, NYC, Tokyo, etc,

    keep reading here: http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/
    I've already repped you, but if I could again, I would rep this post
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    (Original post by fairytalecolours)
    i don't think anyone would argue that raising cows for meat is a sustainable use of land
    like yeah, no one
    It isn't unsustainable, it is inefficient. Know the difference.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Your estimations are pretty far off.

    Using conventional methods (ie not organic)
    To raise 100 cattle for need about 60 ha on grazing alone.
    On 60 ha of grade 3 pasture land you will average about 8 tonnes/ha of wheat.
    So 480 tonnes of wheat which would be about 480 tonnes of flour.
    In a large loaf of bread there is roughly 500g a wheat.
    So you could make about 960,000 loaves of bread for the space that 100 cattle take up.

    Off 100 cattle with a killing out percentage of about 70% you would get about 560,000kg of meat.

    These calculations are all rough estimates.
    I never intended to give a estimate of any sort as I didn't have the figures to hand. It was a relative comparison between what the numbers of people a fixed surface area of land can support. The point I was making still stands: 100 acres of land can feed more people if they had a vegan diet, as opposed to a vegetarian or meat based diet.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    It isn't unsustainable, it is inefficient. Know the difference.
    ok that's true you got me there, reps you

    you can raise cows sustainably but it's not happening at present in almost every situation. we need to move towards localised organic farming immediately and then eventually look at replacing meat with laboratory grown tissue until the masses embrace veganism. it cannot get worse than it is now unless we want to destroy ourselves and the planet, and i guarantee that almost all meat bought at the supermarket - which is where almost everyone gets their meat - is unsustainably produced.
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    (Original post by fairytalecolours)
    ok that's true you got me there, reps you

    you can raise cows sustainably but it's not happening at present in almost every situation. we need to move towards localised organic farming immediately and then eventually look at replacing meat with laboratory grown tissue until the masses embrace veganism. it cannot get worse than it is now unless we want to destroy ourselves and the planet, and i guarantee that almost all meat bought at the supermarket - which is where almost everyone gets their meat - is unsustainably produced.
    If you want to feed everyone it cannot be done with organic systems, especially if everyone is vegan. The main fertiliser for organic systems is manure and without livestock there is no manure.

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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    I never intended to give a estimate of any sort as I didn't have the figures to hand. It was a relative comparison between what the numbers of people a fixed surface area of land can support. The point I was making still stands: 100 acres of land can feed more people if they had a vegan diet, as opposed to a vegetarian or meat based diet.
    I'm not arguing against you, but we are not short on land.

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    (Original post by fairytalecolours)
    eating meat is definitely bad for animals. no animal wants to be raised in conditions that range from ok to awful for a short time before they're driven to a slaughterhouse to meet their violent end. tremendous abuse happens within the animal agriculture industry, unimaginable suffering taking place every moment because humans like cheap, convenient meat. slaughterhouses are hell on earth and it is not ok for an animal to be murdered there. it's sickening and if one were to take a clear, rational perspective of what's really going on, they would not buy supermarket meat anymore. the clearest and most rational would not eat meat unless absolutely necessary.

    eating meat is definitely bad for the environment. some facts:

    - Animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of greenhouse gas emissions, more than the combined exhaust from all transportation. Transportation exhaust is responsible for 13% of all greenhouse gas emissions.
    - Livestock and their byproducts account for at least 32,000 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) per year, or 51% of all worldwide greenhouse gas emissions.
    - Methane is 25-100 times more destructive than CO2 on a 20 year time frame.
    - Livestock is responsible for 65% of all human-related emissions of nitrous oxide – a greenhouse gas with 296 times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide, and which stays in the atmosphere for 150 years.
    - Emissions for agriculture projected to increase 80% by 2050.
    - Energy related emissions expected to increase 20% by 2040.
    - US Methane emissions from livestock and natural gas are nearly equal.
    - Cows produce 150 billion gallons of methane per day.
    - Converting to wind and solar power will take 20+ years and roughly 43 trillion dollars.
    - Even without fossil fuels, we will exceed our 565 gigatonnes CO2e limit by 2030, all from raising animals.
    - Reducing methane emissions would create tangible benefits almost immediately.
    - Fracking (hydraulic fracturing) water use ranges from 70-140 billion gallons annually.
    - Animal agriculture water consumption ranges from 34-76 trillion gallons annually.
    - Agriculture is responsible for 80-90% of US water consumption.
    - Growing feed crops for livestock consumes 56% of water in the US.
    - Californians use 1500 gallons of water per person per day. Close to Half is associated with meat and dairy products.
    - 2,500 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 pound of beef.
    - 477 gallons of water are required to produce 1lb. of eggs; almost 900 gallons of water are needed for 1lb. of cheese.
    - 1,000 gallons of water are required to produce 1 gallon of milk.
    - 5% of water consumed in the US is by private homes. 55% of water consumed in the US is for animal agriculture.
    - Animal Agriculture is responsible for 20%-33% of all fresh water consumption in the world today.
    - Livestock or livestock feed occupies 1/3 of the earth’s ice-free land.
    - Livestock covers 45% of the earth’s total land.
    - Animal agriculture is the leading cause of species extinction, ocean dead zones, water pollution, and habitat destruction.
    - Livestock operations on land have created more than 500 nitrogen flooded deadzones around the world in our oceans.
    - Largest mass extinction in 65 million years.
    - 2-5 acres of land are used per cow.
    - Nearly half of the contiguous US is devoted to animal agriculture.
    - 1/3 of the planet is desertified, with livestock as the leading driver.
    - Every minute, 7 million pounds of excrement are produced by animals raised for food in the US.
    - A farm with 2,500 dairy cows produces the same amount of waste as a city of 411,000 people.
    - 130 times more animal waste than human waste is produced in the US – 1.4 billion tons from the meat industry annually. 5 tons of animal waste is produced per person in the US.
    - In the U.S. livestock produce 116,000 lbs of waste per second
    - Animals produce Enough waste to cover SF, NYC, Tokyo, etc,

    keep reading here: http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/
    I guess you're fine with hunting then?

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    1) I just finished a chicken and bacon burger and it was lush af
    2) I have a friend who is vegan.
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    (Original post by BerniHurton)
    1) I just finished a chicken and bacon burger and it was lush af
    2) I have a friend who is vegan.
    Woa, what a hard ass. Boasting about eating chicken and pig meat that you didn't kill. :rolleyes: I bet your Vegan friend loves you :rolleyes:
 
 
 
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