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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    If you're so unconcerned why don't you elaborate on what you think it is about then?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy

    And this bit is the only part of it that I personally consider "important" as per thread title (but no longer unique to philosophy):

    As a method, philosophy is often distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its questioning, critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument.
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    (Original post by ubisoft)
    There's no such thing as an important arts subject. They're all hobbies at best.
    True, arts are pretty useless, but I think language skills are needed, so I'd say languages (if I can't say economics) to the extend that communication is possible. Of course it would be easier if everyone just spoke same language, but as someone whose first language is not English I think out of humanities classes English has been very useful to me, and other humanities classes have been entirely useless. If I hadn't taken those English classes domain of study materials (to all subjects) avilabe for me would be quite limited, and I couldnt study my high school (IB) degree in English.
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    So we've clearly established Philosophy is the most important arts/humanities subject.

    In the same way we know Mathematics is the most important science.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    So we've clearly established Philosophy is the most important arts/humanities subject.

    In the same way we know Mathematics is the most important science.

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    I was going to bring this point up but I was too scared :ninja:

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    (Original post by jneill)
    So we've clearly established Philosophy is the most important arts/humanities subject.

    In the same way we know Mathematics is the most important science.

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    Mathematics is not a science
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    I was going to bring this point up but I was too scared :ninja:

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    So which is more important? Philosophy or Mathematics.

    There's only one way to find out...

    :fight:

    http://www.googlefight.co.uk/philoso...athematics.php
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    Mathematics is not a science
    It is.
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    (Original post by ubisoft)
    It is.
    Under what definition of science?
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    Mathematics is not a science
    Yes it is.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Yes it is.
    How?
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    Under what definition of science?
    Under all definitions. Mathematics is the most basic of sciences. Without it there wouldn't be science.
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    How?
    Philosophically.
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    (Original post by ubisoft)
    Under all definitions. Mathematics is the most basic of sciences. Without it there wouldn't be science.
    Nonsense. That's not even a response. There are plenty of definitions of science which do not include it. I find it incredibly difficult to define maths as a science but not philosophy as one. One simply cannot go around touting mathematics as the king of science and say that philosophy is an art lol.
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    Because by definition, without philosophy all of the other subjects would make no sense and getting any sort of utility from them would be just impossible. Besides the subjects themselves only came about because philosophy in that area, preceded it. Philosophy was necessary to allow for psychology to exist. For biology to exist. For natural physics to exist. For everything. Philosophy concerns itself with logic which in turn is the basis of how in every single other discipline

    Philosophy teaches us how we ought to live our lives and behave through ethics, which again affects every single other discipline. It teaches us what is real and how we gain knowledge and what knowledge is. Which again affect how every other single discipline operates.

    It's just massively all-encompassing and every other discipline hinges on it. But that's the point. That's what the term "philosophy" means as far as a subject is concerned. It is everything that we can know.

    Ever studied any philosophy of art? Pretty sure a lot of it is fundamental to anyone who tries to make sense of any academic study of art. I mean, first thing first, before you do art, you must have a single, objective definition of art, no? You're already doing philosophy before you start!
    You have a good point, however I don't think that philosophy is as accessible as art. Also, surely you are actually implying that art has elements similar to philosophy rather than that philosophy is necessary in art? I don't think art needs a solid definition, part of its power is in the paradox of it being fully singular and fully plural, fully private and fully shared. Basically - each work of art is obviously individual, distinct and singular but if you consider something to be defined by people's perceptions or experiences of it, it is infinitely plural. One piece of art can have a million different significances for a million different people. In this way, it allows us to be united by something shared without it being at the expense of our sense of individuality? Do you not think this is more powerful than philosophy?

    Art lends itself - as you mentioned - to philosophical analysis and meaning, but is also inherently practical. Besides, by visually presenting our philosophical ideas, are we not making them more accessible, more developed and therefore serving a greater purpose?

    Obviously, this is just my opinion and I do agree that philosophy is fundamental to understanding all worldly and spiritual disciplines. It allows us to challenge ourselves and our ideas in a very healthy way and I think society needs more of that.
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    Nonsense. That's not even a response. There are plenty of definitions of science which do not include it. I find it incredibly difficult to define maths as a science but not philosophy as one.
    physics is applied maths, chemistry is applied physics, biology is applied chemistry; therefore all science is applied maths.
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    (Original post by nverjvlev)
    I don't think art needs a solid definition, part of its power is in the paradox of it being fully singular and fully plural, fully private and fully shared. Basically - each work of art is obviously individual, distinct and singular but if you consider something to be defined by people's perceptions or experiences of it, it is infinitely plural. One piece of art can have a million different significances for a million different people. In this way, it allows us to be united by something shared without it being at the expense of our sense of individuality?
    This is philosophy
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    (Original post by nverjvlev)
    physics is applied maths, chemistry is applied physics, biology is applied chemistry; therefore all science is applied maths.
    That's copyright Puddles the Monkey (see the monkey's post earlier...)
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    (Original post by nverjvlev)
    physics is applied maths, chemistry is applied physics, biology is applied chemistry; therefore all science is applied maths.
    Applied maths is not maths. Everything is applied philosophy. Therefore all science is philosophy? Wut?
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    jneill Look what you've started.
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    (Original post by Emilia1320)
    True, arts are pretty useless, but I think language skills are needed, so I'd say languages (if I can't say economics) to the extend that communication is possible. Of course it would be easier if everyone just spoke same language, but as someone whose first language is not English I think out of humanities classes English has been very useful to me, and other humanities classes have been entirely useless. If I hadn't taken those English classes domain of study materials (to all subjects) avilabe for me would be quite limited, and I couldnt study my high school (IB) degree in English.
    I'm sorry, is art not a language? And your complete dismissal of arts shows your lack of emotional intelligence and intellectual ability... just because you aren't open-minded enough to even attempt to understand something doesn't mean that A) you shouldn't or B) it isn't important.

    We live in an image-saturated age. Everything you have ever purchased was marketed, and marketing would be useless without visual aid. So if art is vital in the functioning of the economy and countless other areas, how is it useless? I could go on...
 
 
 
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