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    (Original post by generallee)
    Yup, so why let them in in the first place?

    It's lose lose.

    300,000 arrive (net) every year. A city the size of Ccventry every single twelve months.

    And people wonder why we have a housing crisis. Why our schools are over subscribed, why we can't get a GPs appointment or wait hours in A&E, why the trains are full to bursting at rush hour, there is grid lock on the roads.

    Wouldn't a sensible country think hang on a minute, lets decide who we let in and who not, rather than just accepting whoever wants to come to a much richer country than theirs?

    And leave the EU which forces us to take in all and sundry. Once these refugees get German citizenship they will start coming over too.

    You mark my words.
    You sound like an Idiot sun reader!
    Do you have any idea how hard it is it enter the country legally if your non-european, its near on impossible unless you have family here or you are highly skilled.
    If you want to blame anything, blame the EU, not people who are looking to better themselves in the land of Opportunity
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    Trying to blame immigrants for the house crisis is easy but entirely misses the mark. We use to build over 400,000 houses a year. Now we build less than 200,000. Couple that with a lot of our housing stock being past its use by date and Brits living in smaller family units, it's obvious that migration isn't the major factor.

    As for taking our jobs, the lowest wages and highest unemployment tends to be found in the areas of lowest immigration. I use to live in the county with the lowest number of foreign born people. That fact didn't stop man attributing their unemployment to Johnny Foreigner.

    Migrants have far higher labour mobility, rather than complain about, unemployed Brits could learn something from them.
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    (Original post by BlackSweetness)
    You sound like an Idiot sun reader!
    Do you have any idea how hard it is it enter the country legally if your non-european, its near on impossible unless you have family here or you are highly skilled.
    If you want to blame anything, blame the EU, not people who are looking to better themselves in the land of Opportunity
    What on earth are you on about?

    The post you replied to argued for leaving the EU. So of course they were "blaming the EU." Duh!

    Where does he "blame" the immigrants? He just says that 300,000 net every year is unsustainable. And he is right, it is.

    As you will find out when you try and buy a flat and realise that you won't be able to afford it for a couple of decades, without parental support. If ever.
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    (Original post by Quantex)
    Trying to blame immigrants for the house crisis is easy but entirely misses the mark. We use to build over 400,000 houses a year. Now we build less than 200,000. Couple that with a lot of our housing stock being past its use by date and Brits living in smaller family units, it's obvious that migration isn't the major factor.

    As for taking our jobs, the lowest wages and highest unemployment tends to be found in the areas of lowest immigration. I use to live in the county with the lowest number of foreign born people. That fact didn't stop man attributing their unemployment to Johnny Foreigner.

    Migrants have far higher labour mobility, rather than complain about, unemployed Brits could learn something from them.
    No, you miss the mark.

    The housing crisis is a product of too little supply and too much demand. Cut the demand by stopping 300,000 net migrants coming here to live every year AND you you then don't need to build enough houses to fill the city of Coventry JUST to cope with immigrant demand.

    You are arguing against your own premise when you say that Brits living in smaller family units adds to housing demand. Yes it does. Add that to the 300,000 net migrants every year (three million in ten, nine million in thirty) and you have a housing crisis! We can't stop people divorcing and families breaking up. We can stop immigration if we leave the EU.

    This is pretty simple stuff, why can't you grasp it? Too many people searching for too few houses, the price rises! So stop the insatiable demand, then the price will fall.

    Do you own your own flat? Do you want to?
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    Y'all have fallen into the trap of assuming from the OP that the OP'er was implying this is a bad thing? Shame on you! :naughty:
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    (Original post by JezWeCan!)
    What on earth are you on about?

    The post you replied to argued for leaving the EU. So of course they were "blaming the EU." Duh!

    Where does he "blame" the immigrants? He just says that 300,000 net every year is unsustainable. And he is right, it is.

    As you will find out when you try and buy a flat and realise that you won't be able to afford it for a couple of decades, without parental support. If ever.
    If you read what he said, youd realise hes basically blaming immigrants for the housing crisis and more. The EU is not a bad thing, but it could do with a bit more regulating to ensure that people dont come just for a free ride!
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    (Original post by BlackSweetness)
    If you read what he said, youd realise hes basically blaming immigrants for the housing crisis and more. The EU is not a bad thing, but it could do with a bit more regulating to ensure that people dont come just for a free ride!
    I did read what you said.

    And I find your views mystifying. Is it your position that immigration is not a major contributory cause of the housing crisis when we are building circa 140,000 new homes every year while 300,000 new immigrants arrive to settle, net, every year?

    And if is, and I think most people would come to that conclusion why is it "blaming immigrants" to point this out? It is just stating a fact.

    But even if is to blame them, so what? Any form of immigration control is going to cause offence to those no longer able to come to settle here.

    You can't regulate the EU with regards to immigration by the way. The Free Movement of People is a core principle, non negotiable. As Cameron has found out. As long as we remain a member, immigration cannot be controlled by our elected Government.

    We have to let in every single EU national who wants to come. Which we have done, with the consequences there for all to see.
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    Everyone's complaining about migrants but seriously could Britain run on its own. Hell no. British people are lazy and don't want to work hard, at least hard working foreigners force some of us to push ourselves. Scroungers are just using hard working immigrants who are trying to better their lives as an excuse for their own lazy, I deserve to be handed everything attitude.


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    (Original post by JezWeCan!)
    I did read what you said.

    And I find your views mystifying. Is it your position that immigration is not a major contributory cause of the housing crisis when we are building circa 140,000 new homes every year while 300,000 new immigrants arrive to settle, net, every year?

    And if is, and I think most people would come to that conclusion why is it "blaming immigrants" to point this out? It is just stating a fact.

    But even if is to blame them, so what? Any form of immigration control is going to cause offence to those no longer able to come to settle here.

    You can't regulate the EU with regards to immigration by the way. The Free Movement of People is a core principle, non negotiable. As Cameron has found out. As long as we remain a member, immigration cannot be controlled by our elected Government.

    We have to let in every single EU national who wants to come. Which we have done, with the consequences there for all to see.
    The cause of the housing crisis is not building enough houses, it really is as simple as that. We could cut off all immigration tomorrow but our population would still be growing and we'd still need to build more houses.

    If there were less immigrants there'd be less people paying taxes, less people working, less workers filling skilled work, so we'd be building even fewer houses and prices would continue to rise.

    It's absolutely ludicrous that you people are trying to scapegoat immigration as the cause of this, because it's simply not. The UK isn't overpopulated, we just haven't built enough ****ing houses.
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    Eastern Europeans are taking many British jobs. Fact.
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    (Original post by Yawn!)
    Eastern Europeans are taking many British jobs. Fact.
    25% of Eastern European immigrants to the UK are university educated. That's more than the native population.

    EU migrants are paying 34% more in tax than they're receiving in benefits. They're CREATING growth and new jobs. That's why the number of natives in employment has been increasing drastically, alongside the number of EU migrants in employment.

    These are facts.

    Jobs go to whoever's best at them. If Eastern Europeans are working harder and smarter than British natives, then you're damn right the jobs should go to them. If these leave voters spent more time educating themselves and making themselves more desirable to employers we wouldn't have this issue. But why work harder when you can ***** and whine incessantly and throw the hard workers out of the country?

    ****ing pathetic.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    25% of Eastern European immigrants to the UK are university educated. That's more than the native population.

    EU migrants are paying 34% more in tax than they're receiving in benefits. They're CREATING growth and new jobs. That's why the number of natives in employment has been increasing drastically, alongside the number of EU migrants in employment.

    These are facts.

    Jobs go to whoever's best at them. If Eastern Europeans are working harder and smarter than British natives, then you're damn right the jobs should go to them. If these leave voters spent more time educating themselves and making themselves more desirable to employers we wouldn't have this issue. But why work harder when you can ***** and whine incessantly and throw the hard workers out of the country?

    ****ing pathetic.
    To be fair, I only said that to get a rise out of you. :lol:

    Yes, 25% of Eastern European migrants (the ones most people seem to have a problem with) are degree-educated compared to...24% of UK natives and 43% of Non-EU migrants. Hardly a major point in their favour, especially when many of those 25%, despite their qualifications, tend to take low-paid work in the UK, NOT the skilled jobs that their qualifications would suggest.

    Also, it seems that between 2000-2011 Eastern European migrants made a net contribution of 12% more than they took - £5bn to the UK economy, but that works out to around £416m per year. Hardly going to bring down the whole UK economy if it went. And these figures only count tax against welfare. They don't include healthcare costs/administrative costs/cost of providing local services/costs of educating their children/cost of infrastructure, etc.

    If ALL costs were considered, and not just welfare, we may well find that the figures are not so rosy. While their tax contributions (from lower paid work) look good solely measured against the generally low welfare these migrants take out (around 4.5% JSA, 11% Housing benefit), when you factor the other costs in as well (as has been applied to UK natives and Non-EU migrants), the low-wage/low tax contributions of Eastern Europeans likely don't cover it.

    I'd also like to add that the methodology of these surveys and findings is not very transparent. For example, it was found that many news articles cited a survey that suggested a major cost to the UK economy of UK natives and Non-EU migrants, but a net gain to the UK economy from EU migrants......but only because the cost of educating and providing healthcare to UK and Non-EU children was included, while their actual/predicted tax contributions were not! The exact opposite was done in the case of EU migrants (tax contributions/welfare counted but cost of healthcare/education of children not), thus painting a skewed picture.

    People can't take the figures in these articles at face value. There are too many vested interests influencing the data and findings, or presenting them in a way that emphasises some findings and omits others.

    Kind of like that you did with your OP.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    The cause of the housing crisis is not building enough houses, it really is as simple as that. We could cut off all immigration tomorrow but our population would still be growing and we'd still need to build more houses.

    If there were less immigrants there'd be less people paying taxes, less people working, less workers filling skilled work, so we'd be building even fewer houses and prices would continue to rise.

    It's absolutely ludicrous that you people are trying to scapegoat immigration as the cause of this, because it's simply not. The UK isn't overpopulated, we just haven't built enough ****ing houses.
    Ah the good old "scapegoating immigrants" trope. The last resource of those who have lost the argument. Which your side has.

    You argue that we should let EVERYONE from the EU who wants to come to settle here into the country simply because there should be "free movement of Labour"
    and when that causes a housing crisis we just BUILD MORE HOUSES.

    If a million come this year (as arrived in Germany last) will that still be your position?

    If two million come? What is to stop them exactly? Our elected Government can do nothing. They are impotent.

    The lunacy of Little Europeans...
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    Where I work its a rare event if our lot even recruit a UK national. Most of our kitchen staff dont speak coherent English, so effectively we have a 2 tiered restaurant, one with east european speakers and the other portugues/spanish. If you're the poor ****er in the middle of that lot, well occasionally they might toss some pidgin English at you if you're lucky.
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    (Original post by CreepyVibez)
    Where I work its a rare event if our lot even recruit a UK national. Most of our kitchen staff dont speak coherent English, so effectively we have a 2 tiered restaurant, one with east european speakers and the other portugues/spanish. If you're the poor ****er in the middle of that lot, well occasionally they might toss some pidgin English at you if you're lucky.
    Imagine if we tried that **** overseas. Our expat community in the Costa Del Sol is regularly attacked and demonised by the Spanish.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    It's not a good thing if they're working on the minimum wage with five dependents.

    Only people on good wages should be admitted.
    They're clearly willing to take any low paid job to care for their dependents. Why should we take that opportunity to feed their children away?
 
 
 
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