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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    Do you know why the deal was bad?

    Because the EU doesn't need the UK. It's ****ing embarrassing seeing all these people getting their pitchforks out and making these ridiculous demands. We need the EU. The EU knows it, David Cameron (even though I despise him) knows it, every economist and businessperson in the country knows it, but these armchair economists know better.

    The EU is laughing at us. I'd be laughing at us if I wasn't stuck in this ****ing awful country.
    The EU laughing at us? What planet are you on?

    They are envious we arent in the Euro or Schengen, but if we vote to leave the envy will be unbearable,

    And they will join us in the rush for the doors!
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    Cameron's EU reforms only brings minor changes and is quite frankly ridiculous. It was literally like he couldn't be bothered and maybe Farage was right about not being able to renegotiate, I don't know. However, Britain cannot afford to allow open borders which caused migration to rise rapidly and cause a housing crisis etc. The remain campaign also makes horrendous claims that Britain isn't capable of being out of the EU blah blah blah ... I'm tired of this and thus I support #Brexit.
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    "We can build more houses" where exactly ? On greenbelt land that's needed for farming and to support the natural wildlife here turning the countryside into a concrete jungle ? We don't want to have to import more food than we already do.
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    (Original post by vickidc18)
    "We can build more houses" where exactly ? On greenbelt land that's needed for farming and to support the natural wildlife here turning the countryside into a concrete jungle ? We don't want to have to import more food than we already do.
    The same farming that turns the countryside into a green desert?

    Actual places of wilderness and high biodiversity are protected and are such a small percentage of British land we don;t even need to think about building on them if they were not protected. There is plenty of space to build houses.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    Would they still want to come? Surely free migration makes it more likely for people to migrate?

    There aren't an infinite number of people in Africa and Asia just waiting to make up for all the skilled migrants we stop getting from the EU when we leave.
    Most EU migrants are unskilled. Unless you think picking fruit and asking how big a latte you want takes years of training...

    When we leave, if we leave we are going to have to fill all these unskilled jobs from those already here.

    Will we be able to cope? Scratches chin? Yeah I think so.

    What make me laugh about you Little Europeans is you seem to think that the UK didn't amount to much until all those Europeans graciously allowed us to become the second biggest contributor to the EEC in 1973.

    We did pretty well before we joined, and we won't do so badly after we leave, if we do.
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    (Original post by JezWeCan!)
    Most EU migrants are unskilled. Unless you think picking fruit and asking how big a latte you want takes years of training...

    When we leave, if we leave we are going to have to fill all these unskilled jobs from those already here.

    Will we be able to cope? Scratches chin? Yeah I think so.

    What make me laugh about you Little Europeans is you seem to think that the UK didn't amount to much until all those Europeans graciously allowed us to become the second biggest contributor to the EEC in 1973.

    We did pretty well before we joined, and we won't do so badly after we leave, if we do.
    34% of EU migrants have university degrees.

    The number of British people in work has increased as the number of EU migrants in work in the UK has increased.

    These are facts.

    What make me laugh about you Little Europeans is you seem to think that the UK didn't amount to much until all those Europeans graciously allowed us to become the second biggest contributor to the EEC in 1973.

    We did pretty well before we joined, and we won't do so badly after we leave, if we do.
    This is a ridiculous argument. "We were doing okay 40 years ago before we joined, so we'll probably do okay if we leave."
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    34% of EU migrants have university degrees.

    The number of British people in work has increased as the number of EU migrants in work in the UK has increased.

    These are facts.
    Prove to me that there wouldn't be MORE "British people in work" if there had been no EU migrants.

    As for their university degrees I don't doubt it. But do you need a degree to make a coffee in Starbucks? And is if fair competition to the native born without degrees?

    (Original post by JordanL_)
    This is a ridiculous argument. "We were doing okay 40 years ago before we joined, so we'll probably do okay if we leave."
    No more ridiculous than that no-one will trade with us (even though we import far more than we export) and that there will be pestilence and famine if we leave.
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    (Original post by helpmekid)
    I hope not but What happens if on 23rd June. The vote is EXACTLY 50/50 What happens after?
    It won't be. However, referendums are not legally binding, and Cameron could just say we'll do nothing or re-do it.
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    This is going to be such a close call
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    (Original post by alexhossbach)
    To all those who bring up the " EU costs us money argument":

    Of course it costs us money, it is part of the whole idea of having a European UNION and to deny that would be totally stupid. However, I'm concerned that the media has been influencing people so much so that they blatantly fall for this rather simple and useless argument. My point is, though we do have to pay out a great deal to support those members who are falling behind, we do actually get a whole lot more back in the form of trade, freedom to move about (something which we currently take for granted and I'm sure that anyone who has been to the US and had to pay for visas will understand) and national security(which, should we leave, we would have to prop up with even more of our GDP). OBVIOUSLY we are never going to get direct economical aid from the union, after all, we are one of the richer members. Maybe instead of continually looking for faults we should try and imagine what it would be like to not be part of the EU. And as for being one of the richer members of the EU, we must ask ourselves WHY we are at the top and exactly WHY we have managed to stay up there...
    I am swayed no however I am still looking for a fully balanced argument so have a few points I want to bring up:

    1. Regarding the UK paying to support those members falling behind, should it really be the UK's responsibility to do that? I suppose this depends on your own personal opinion on whether you think countries should support others or look out for their own interests

    2. Arguably the freedom to move about causes Britain just as many problems as it solves in terms of EU migrants

    3. Just how exactly do you think things would be different if we left the EU?

    4. Yes we are at the top however we were comparatively more wealthy than the other members that joined the EU (I'm particularly thinking of eastern european countries here) before we joined. We are still at the top, we are paying more because those other countries haven't gotten any richer. I don't have the greatest grasp on economics or anything but to me that seems like the EU doesn't make a country rich nor greatly improve it's economy (and whilst I'm on this point, could you respond to your own rhetorical question: WHY are we at the top? WHY have we managed to stay there?)
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    Leave, why can unelected officials make the decisions for half a billion people.
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    I wanna vote to leave, just to **** **** up. I think the EU is good for Britain, but it will be funny to leave and then have Scotland leave the UK and the **** will totally hit the fan.

    (Original post by vickidc18)
    "We can build more houses" where exactly ? On greenbelt land that's needed for farming and to support the natural wildlife here turning the countryside into a concrete jungle ? We don't want to have to import more food than we already do.
    Agreed.


    I don't want more ****ing houses, London is a dingy, nasty, grey, toxic pot of pollution. Chelsea, Kensington and Sloane Square are decent (in some areas) but apart from that, it's like something from a nightmare.

    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    The same farming that turns the countryside into a green desert?Actual places of wilderness and high biodiversity are protected and are such a small percentage of British land we don;t even need to think about building on them if they were not protected. There is plenty of space to build houses.
    It's pretty and it's nice.
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    Leave, it's turned into a capitalist sham designed to oppress ordinary Europeans.
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    (Original post by vickidc18)
    "We can build more houses" where exactly ? On greenbelt land that's needed for farming and to support the natural wildlife here turning the countryside into a concrete jungle ? We don't want to have to import more food than we already do.
    I agree. Parties like Labour and the greens claim to be environmental and Eco warriors yet they want mass unlimited migration with the population growing by the 10s of millions. They want every inch of the land covered in urban development. And then they call me a fascist for wanting to preserve the countryside and natural environment in this country. It's really weird
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Leave, it's turned into a capitalist sham designed to oppress ordinary Europeans.
    You are a Tory though, shouldn't you be bending over for your leader? You know what they say, Tories are lacking spine nowadays
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    (Original post by Free Kurdistan)
    It's pretty and it's nice.
    This is pretty and nice.


    This is tedious. City centres probably have a higher biodiversity than this.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    This is pretty and nice.


    This is tedious. City centres probably have a higher biodiversity than this.
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    Your first one is the nicest, but the second is still better than a city centre.


    London is like a playground, you go there, you have a good time but god forbid actually having to live there. The problem isn't just biodiversity or a lack thereof, the problem is people, they're a ****ing virus man.
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    hey guys! david cameron has created a "reformed" EU!

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    yeah time to leave
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    (Original post by Camoron)
    You are a Tory though, shouldn't you be bending over for your leader? You know what they say, Tories are lacking spine nowadays
    What? Where did you get the idea that I was a Tory? I'm a libertarian socialist, bordering on communist.
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    (Original post by PastaMonster)
    I am swayed no however I am still looking for a fully balanced argument so have a few points I want to bring up:

    1. Regarding the UK paying to support those members falling behind, should it really be the UK's responsibility to do that? I suppose this depends on your own personal opinion on whether you think countries should support others or look out for their own interests

    2. Arguably the freedom to move about causes Britain just as many problems as it solves in terms of EU migrants

    3. Just how exactly do you think things would be different if we left the EU?

    4. Yes we are at the top however we were comparatively more wealthy than the other members that joined the EU (I'm particularly thinking of eastern european countries here) before we joined. We are still at the top, we are paying more because those other countries haven't gotten any richer. I don't have the greatest grasp on economics or anything but to me that seems like the EU doesn't make a country rich nor greatly improve it's economy (and whilst I'm on this point, could you respond to your own rhetorical question: WHY are we at the top? WHY have we managed to stay there?)
    On point 1, I agree that the answer is totally subjective and quite frankly I myself cant make my mind up. The initial argument would be that whilst we are in the EU we do have the responsibility of taking care of others also within the union. You would also have to think about the morality behind choosing not to do it. Take Catalonia who want to leave Spain because they believe they take care of the rest of the country, are they right in doing so?

    With freedom to move about I was referring to people who currently live in the UK and I must agree that unrestricted migration is total chaos and that open borders are pretty dangerous.

    I think that should Britain leave the EU we would experiment such a loss in trade from businesses moving away and exports drastically decreasing that the first response from the government would be to seek some sort of new trade agreement which would try and stop this from happening. Whether we'll be able to resume economic ties to previous levels is something that only time will tell.

    Let me remind you that in 1970 both the labour and conservative parties made the decision to try and get into the EEC in order to try and revive the slow rate of growth the country was experiencing in comparison to other European nations. Let me also remind you that before that even happened (late 60s) politicians tried to establish economic and industrial ties with other European and non-EEC nations but abandoned their attempts after several years with no real difference. In my opinion the EU saved our ass back then and no we were not as rich as you'd like to think. The whole of Europe has grown and has got richer because together (in some things) is quite often better.
 
 
 
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