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    (Original post by Phipp91)
    You are an utter idiot if you think that "Multiculturalism", is going to make them behave and not sexually harass (or worse) women.
    1. There is no need for personal remarks
    2. I personally think it is. If you move to a country permanently you should, or at least your children should, identify as a person of that new country if you are really going to settle there. In turn, we cannot expect people to just abandon their old culture, it's so interlinked with personal identity and beliefs. As someone who is currently living in a foreign country there is no way I would leave behind my British culture and if I were to have children here, while I know they would feel a part of this new country, they would still be influenced by my own British culture. I would say it takes a few generations of a family to completely forget about the old culture you once had. Therefore the best way forward is to welcome and accept new cultures but draw the line at negative things such as disrespect for women by teaching how this is not something you can hang on to if you are living in this country and educating that women are not second class citizens.

    It is not so long ago that British people held the same opinions about women (and I'm sure you can find quite a few men who hold on the these views). Opinions can change with education.
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    (Original post by Moura)
    1. There is no need for personal remarks
    2. I personally think it is. If you move to a country permanently you should, or at least your children should, identify as a person of that new country if you are really going to settle there. In turn, we cannot expect people to just abandon their old culture, it's so interlinked with personal identity and beliefs. As someone who is currently living in a foreign country there is no way I would leave behind my British culture and if I were to have children here, while I know they would feel a part of this new country, they would still be influenced by my own British culture. I would say it takes a few generations of a family to completely forget about the old culture you once had. Therefore the best way forward is to welcome and accept new cultures but draw the line at negative things such as disrespect for women by teaching how this is not something you can hang on to if you are living in this country and educating that women are not second class citizens.

    It is not so long ago that British people held the same opinions about women (and I'm sure you can find quite a few men who hold on the these views). Opinions can change with education.
    Yes of course everyone needs to be educated on women's rights etc. But we should NOT be turning a blind eye on the matter, based simply on their religion/ culture/ race, for fear of being branded a "bigot", as is the case in Sweden (and many other European countries).

    To be quite honest, what good is multiculturalism going to bring to a country anyway? (Aside from some different types of food, which doesn't even need immigration anyway!) History has proven time and time again, that different groups of people with a significantly different cultural value, do not live together well. This can even be seen in today's society, with the phenomenon of white flight and creation of ghettoes. I don't even think it's the fact that the migrants aren't white, it's their backwards culture that is unappealing to the indigenous population.
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    (Original post by Moura)
    I think the problem is how they are integrated into society. I think Britain is heading down a dangerous path of NOT integrating immigrants and viewing them as not British, with the current Tory government and the rise of UKIP they are seen as "different". I can't speak for sweden but I have lived (and currently live) in a western European country that I won't name where they are not opened with open arms and there is a lot of xenophobia, so they do not integrate. I experience DAILY harassment above all from these north african immigrant men because it's not typically in their culture to have respect for women, and in turn it makes the local people also treat women in a similar way. I have never felt so nervous walking home at night as I do here and I come from a big city full of immigrants in England. Even during the day me and my female friends are shouted at, cat called, followed and even touched by men sometimes. It makes you feel really uncomfortable and unless you've experienced it I don't think you really understand how gross it makes you feel. Immigrants are not the problem, the country into which they are moving is.
    Multiculturalism is the way forward. Welcome them into the country and teach them when they come to their new country that disrespecting women is not a good aspect of their culture, but integrate the good parts of their culture ie. community living and friendliness into ours so we all improve!

    Just a disclaimer I am talking about the immigrant aspect of sexual harassment, they are by no means the only people who do it in a country. Also I know it's not just north africans AND I know many lovely north african, they are just the main immigrant/perpetrator where I live and I know many cultures outside the western world have even worse respect for women.

    I agree that it does make you feel gross and I am sorry that you have experienced this too albeit elsewhere in Europe. You don't forget it.

    With regards to intergration, I do agree that this is the pitfall of multiculturism.

    However, with regards to Sweden (as I am familiar with this country), the vast majority of immigrants who go there do so to claim their infamously awesome benefits and usually choose to live and socialise with other immigrants from same/similar backgrounds. They must attend SFI classes (swedish language classes, which are 99% african/western asian - I know because I went to them and was one of only two western european people out of 40). The majority do not want to work, which of course limits intergration further with native Swedes, and they basically "stick with their own" out of choice.

    I have no doubt that there are some who would intergrate if given the opportunity. But in my experience, the majority do not and choose to live the life of Riley by living off the state, living in soviet-style blocks of flats populated by other immigrants and push their culture on to the Swedish culture when they go out e.g. asking Swedish girls for sex, following them and harrassing them.

    One big, big factor that is particular to Sweden, is that they had a tiny population to start with. Basically all of Sweden could fit in London - the population is roughly the same (about 1 million less in London, I think). Mix this with a huge influx of immigrants from countries with different attitudes, cultures, religions...and you're asking for trouble. They really need to buckle down!

    In any case, a country should force intergration to help ease this but in Swedens case, the most of immigrants simply don't want to. It's the truth.
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    (Original post by Phipp91)
    Yes of course everyone needs to be educated on women's rights etc. But we should NOT be turning a blind eye on the matter, based simply on their religion/ culture/ race, for fear of being branded a "bigot", as is the case in Sweden (and many other European countries).

    To be quite honest, what good is multiculturalism going to bring to a country anyway? (Aside from some different types of food, which doesn't even need immigration anyway!) History has proven time and time again, that different groups of people with a significantly different cultural value, do not live together well. This can even be seen in today's society, with the phenomenon of white flight and creation of ghettoes. I don't even think it's the fact that the migrants aren't white, it's their backwards culture that is unappealing to the indigenous population.
    I didn't say turn a blind eye to it? I said welcome the good aspects (of which there are actually many) but educate against the bad aspects of the new culture such as disrespect of women so that disappears, or at least is significantly lessened.

    Do you actually think that? I think the UK is a prime example of it working... we're a whole melting pot of cultures. Not just now but for centuries we have been made up of loads of different cultures. No country is perfect because horrible people exist no matter what culture. If both sides are welcoming and open minded (which most immigrants I know in the UK are) then there is no problem.

    With your attitude no wonder you have experienced being called a bigot. We are all human and we need to be open minded.
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    (Original post by elise10)
    I agree that it does make you feel gross and I am sorry that you have experienced this too albeit elsewhere in Europe. You don't forget it.

    With regards to intergration, I do agree that this is the pitfall of multiculturism.

    However, with regards to Sweden (as I am familiar with this country), the vast majority of immigrants who go there do so to claim their infamously awesome benefits and usually choose to live and socialise with other immigrants from same/similar backgrounds. They must attend SFI classes (swedish language classes, which are 99% african/western asian - I know because I went to them and was one of only two western european people out of 40). The majority do not want to work, which of course limits intergration further with native Swedes, and they basically "stick with their own" out of choice.

    I have no doubt that there are some who would intergrate if given the opportunity. But in my experience, the majority do not and choose to live the life of Riley by living off the state, living in soviet-style blocks of flats populated by other immigrants and push their culture on to the Swedish culture when they go out e.g. asking Swedish girls for sex, following them and harrassing them.

    One big, big factor that is particular to Sweden, is that they had a tiny population to start with. Basically all of Sweden could fit in London - the population is roughly the same (about 1 million less in London, I think). Mix this with a huge influx of immigrants from countries with different attitudes, cultures, religions...and you're asking for trouble. They really need to buckle down!

    In any case, a country should force intergration to help ease this but in Swedens case, the most of immigrants simply don't want to. It's the truth.
    That sounds like a problem with the way Sweden is run. If you are coming from a place where there is nothing really for you to a place where they give you free money for free straight away (if that is the case) and not enough jobs for the influx of people then that is going to attract lazy people who don't care about this new place they are moving to.

    Generally speaking, most immigrants work really hard in the UK as they know how lucky they are to be there and they want to improve their life and the lives of their family. Most immigrants I know do jobs that are really long hours, poorly paid and unpleasant. They do it so they can live because normally it's a much better opportunity, better pay and better security that wherever they're from and they want to send money back to their family in their old country a lot of the time. I think the view that immigrants are "stealing" all the benefits in the UK is a really really wrong one. In fact the people who generally say this usually are also the ones saying "immigrants are stealing our jobs"... so they haven't really thought that one through.
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    (Original post by Moura)
    I didn't say turn a blind eye to it? I said welcome the good aspects (of which there are actually many) but educate against the bad aspects of the new culture such as disrespect of women so that disappears, or at least is significantly lessened.

    Do you actually think that? I think the UK is a prime example of it working... we're a whole melting pot of cultures. Not just now but for centuries we have been made up of loads of different cultures. No country is perfect because horrible people exist no matter what culture. If both sides are welcoming and open minded (which most immigrants I know in the UK are) then there is no problem.

    With your attitude no wonder you have experienced being called a bigot. We are all human and we need to be open minded.
    Err... until the 50s, the UK really wasn't that diverse at all. The last mass migration was indeed the Norman conquest! Yeah, some immigrants had arrived between then and the 50s, but not nearly enough to consider Britain/ the UK "A melting pot". Due to our location as an island, I would say we've had considerably less immigration than most other European countries until the 50s!

    OK? I dare you to personally name a benefit that multiculturalism explicitly/ is only able to bring in itself? And yes, I do happen to think that. Why am I not allowed to want to live in a country that remains culturally English? Also, good luck trying to push multiculturalism in ISIS/ Saudi Arabia, especially if you're female...

    And where in my post did I say I was personally called a bigot!?
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    (Original post by Moura)
    That sounds like a problem with the way Sweden is run. If you are coming from a place where there is nothing really for you to a place where they give you free money for free straight away (if that is the case) and not enough jobs for the influx of people then that is going to attract lazy people who don't care about this new place they are moving to.

    Generally speaking, most immigrants work really hard in the UK as they know how lucky they are to be there and they want to improve their life and the lives of their family. Most immigrants I know do jobs that are really long hours, poorly paid and unpleasant. They do it so they can live because normally it's a much better opportunity, better pay and better security that wherever they're from and they want to send money back to their family in their old country a lot of the time. I think the view that immigrants are "stealing" all the benefits in the UK is a really really wrong one. In fact the people who generally say this usually are also the ones saying "immigrants are stealing our jobs"... so they haven't really thought that one through.
    Hence why I said in my previous message that they need to stop being such a push-over and stop letting so many of the scroungers in in the first place.

    Sweden's benefit system has helped many of it's natives, and plenty of it's "good" immigrants and it is what makes it one of the best countries in the world to live in. There is nothing that should be changed about its benefits system just because of those who come and abuse it. That just ruins it for those that actually need it e.g. someone who's lost their job through no fault of their own, and needs financial assistance.

    But...back to the whole point of this thread. Attacks of a sexual nature have increased in Sweden due to reasons which are obvious.
    Men from countries where sexual harrassment is the norm + women who are used to dressing liberally as they please = men who think it's totally acceptable to harrass women. The answer? Don't bloody let so many in in the first place and don't offer them money on a platter.

    Buckle up Sweden and grow some balls before you're totally destroyed.
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    (Original post by Phipp91)

    OK? I dare you to personally name a benefit that multiculturalism explicitly/ is only able to bring in itself? And yes, I do happen to think that. Why am I not allowed to want to live in a country that remains culturally English? Also, good luck trying to push multiculturalism in ISIS/ Saudi Arabia, especially if you're female...

    And where in my post did I say I was personally called a bigot!?
    Gone in too low...should have asked for three examples. 😁
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    (Original post by Moura)
    I think the problem is how they are integrated into society. I think Britain is heading down a dangerous path of NOT integrating immigrants and viewing them as not British, with the current Tory government and the rise of UKIP they are seen as "different". I can't speak for sweden but I have lived (and currently live) in a western European country that I won't name where they are not opened with open arms and there is a lot of xenophobia, so they do not integrate. I experience DAILY harassment above all from these north african immigrant men because it's not typically in their culture to have respect for women, and in turn it makes the local people also treat women in a similar way. I have never felt so nervous walking home at night as I do here and I come from a big city full of immigrants in England. Even during the day me and my female friends are shouted at, cat called, followed and even touched by men sometimes. It makes you feel really uncomfortable and unless you've experienced it I don't think you really understand how gross it makes you feel. Immigrants are not the problem, the country into which they are moving is.
    Multiculturalism is the way forward. Welcome them into the country and teach them when they come to their new country that disrespecting women is not a good aspect of their culture, but integrate the good parts of their culture ie. community living and friendliness into ours so we all improve!

    Just a disclaimer I am talking about the immigrant aspect of sexual harassment, they are by no means the only people who do it in a country. Also I know it's not just north africans AND I know many lovely north african, they are just the main immigrant/perpetrator where I live and I know many cultures outside the western world have even worse respect for women.
    Actually a far far bigger reason for these problems and lack of integration etc is that they don't have to and they can do whatever they want. The reason being people like you are determined to let them get away with their crap.
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    (Original post by caravaggio2)
    Ironically from my own personal experience both online and itrw, the people that constantly spout that we live in a rape culture here in the UK are the same ones that go quiet or deflect when ever Rochdale, and countless other rape gang towns comes up.
    I have never understood how they square it in their own mind.
    This is true. Exposes the sanctimonious nonsense for what it is. It makes you wonder what their game is.
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    Have you ever seen an average lass try to handle a gun/knife? (sorry ladies, realtalk). They'd mostly just end up injuring themselves/having them used against them. This is not a workable, never mind desirable/sustainable, solution

    It's a well known fact that women shouldn't try with knives etc in that kind of situation because of how often it actually gets turned on them. You're better off kicking as hard as you can in the leg to disable, possibly go for the balls/eyes too, then just run and make a lot of noise.
 
 
 
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