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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    The topic at hand is junior doctors, the nurses aren't on strike. Although any moron can administer a jab.

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    Read my original post again sweetheart. I never said doctors were the only reason he hadn't died yet.
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    Read my original post again sweetheart. I never said doctors were the only reason he hadn't died yet.
    No. The only reason I haven't died yet is because I was lucky in the genetic lottery.

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    (Original post by neal95)
    These doctors need to understand that as public sector workers, their rate of pay is determined by the government.
    Nope. The rate of pay in the public sector is determined by negotiations with public sector unions, which is precisely as it should be.

    The way public sector workers send price signals to the market is by withdrawing their labour, they are simply trying to get the best price for their product. Why is it the hard right would praise any other businessman for getting the best price for his product, but hate it when workers band together to get the best price?
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    No. The only reason I haven't died yet is because I was lucky in the genetic lottery.

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    Well in that case I hope that you don't catch something deadly and you only have junior doctors to save you.
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    (Original post by Natalierm2707)
    If Im honest I am only a first year medical student, the info I have got from the juniors is from my friend at St Georges London who is an F1 currently.
    she said:
    - although basic pay will rise, banding will cease meaning that juniors who do more overtime and work longer hours to support our patients and our NHS will be worse off (which is not a great moral booster). also as there is no alternative this could see a rise in doctors working unsafe hours.
    - removal of the GP training supplement could see a significant decrease in pay to GPs in comparison to their colleagues in other specialities. as well all know GPs are the foundation of the NHS and this could push many people away from the specialism. (just to put this into perspective I went into medicine hoping to become a GP but if this contract goes ahead I will seriously consider against it).
    - non-resident on call pay could be drastically decreased meaning the doctors will be working longer hours for much less once again.
    - pay only rises when you move to the next stage of training rather than every year with experience. this could seriously dissadvantage people needing to take time out of the profession for personal reasons (e.g. maternity leave) as their training is on hold.
    - for the first 5 years as a junior annual leave is capped at 25 days (even in retail I got 30 days), and there has been no action to stopping fixed leave (where leave for each individual is allocated with no say by the individual as to which dates they can have off).
    - junior doctors now will be fully reimbursed for any expenses with no upper limits being set.
    - CHANGE IN THE STANDARD WORKING HOURS from 60 to 90 hours per week. meaning doctors who work unsocial hours will now get less pay compared to before. this could lead to a lack of moral when working on these new standard hour shifts still classed as unsocial.

    this is what I know, other than that I just follow news stories.

    but what people who arent in the medical profession have to realise is how god damn hard doctors work day in day out to save lives. I mean I would love to see some of you lot work 5 hours overtime in a stressful A&E department because a critically ill patient needs you. remember doctors are PEOPLE! they have families and need sleep and food just like everyone else. your overworking the skilled people who are capable and more than willing to save your lives, and your pushing them out of the profession by changing their contracts and not supporting their needs. Many people say they have been put off studying medicine due to the contract changes, and I know myself I am concerned whether medicine will be the supportive career and the fulfilling career it was when I applied just over a year ago to medical school!

    as for OUR NHS, support the doctors standing up to save the NHS, after they have gone after the doctors they will come for nurses and then the NHS itself. were living in fear of loosing one of our countries best assets, yet people have the nerve to call out junior doctors saying they are money grabbing, Ii would love for all of your sat in your chairs at home on your day off saying that to train in medical school for 5/6 years (Its hard enough to get in mind) and then enter a profession where your run off your feet, and constantly overworked because of staff shortages, there is never a slow day in the NHS, patients never stop coming. I dare you to try before you call anyone out!
    But I didn't call you out
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    Well in that case I hope that you don't catch something deadly and you only have junior doctors to save you.
    I have private medical, I value my health and woudn't risk using the NHS.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    I have private medical, I value my health and woudn't risk using the NHS.
    That explains everything.
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    That explains everything.
    I don't pay for it, it comes as a perk of the job.

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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    I don't pay for it, it comes as a perk of the job.

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    That's nice
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    That's nice
    Oh it is indeed.

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    But I didn't call you out
    No no I know you didnt at all... I quoted you in my previous post as you asked me to address my view on the contract,

    the rest was address at the OP. sorry if that wasnt clear x
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    (Original post by intelligent con)
    Why should they go on strikes when MY taxes pay for them. Wow they're pays being cut so they won't be able to afford a second ferrari boo hoo. Meanwhile the poor refugees in calais are being subject to police and far right brutality. They need to get some perspective and stop their whinging and slowing down appointments in MY hospitals.
    The junior doctors are striking because the government has refused to negotiate. They say that the proposed changes will cause them to be dangerously tired. Junior doctors don't get paid much and they work stupid numbers of hours. An 80 hour week is not uncommon. The EU maximum is 48 hours a week.

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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    I have private medical, I value my health and woudn't risk using the NHS.
    Do you know where most private hospitals will send you if you become critically unwell?!
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    (Original post by Helenia)
    Do you know where most private hospitals will send you if you become critically unwell?!
    Private institution.

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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Private institution.

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    Nope. The majority of private hospitals do not have intensive care or emergency department facilities, so if you become seriously unwell they will transfer you to a suitable NHS unit. I'm also not aware of any private major trauma centres, so if you were seriously injured in an accident (trauma being one of the leading causes of death in young adults) you would have no choice but to be taken to an NHS Emergency Dept.

    Private healthcare is all well and good for most elective stuff, but they cannot match the NHS for emergency/critical care provision.
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    (Original post by Helenia)
    Nope. The majority of private hospitals do not have intensive care or emergency department facilities, so if you become seriously unwell they will transfer you to a suitable NHS unit. I'm also not aware of any private major trauma centres, so if you were seriously injured in an accident (trauma being one of the leading causes of death in young adults) you would have no choice but to be taken to an NHS Emergency Dept.

    Private healthcare is all well and good for most elective stuff, but they cannot match the NHS for emergency/critical care provision.
    Well let's hope my major trauma is enough to kill me before the NHS gets a chance to try.

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    They don't get paid as much as you think.. It's so unfair. Firstly those even considering Medicine have to have amazing GCSEs, then getting amazing A levels, spend 5, 6 or 7 years to become a doctor. Leaving themselves in loads of debt for the pleasure of being educated, then when they do work, they get cut. Then they have to work excrutiatingly long hours just to get by, leaving themselves tired in one of the most stressful jobs out there, because one mistake can put a patient in danger. I hope people/ the government will understand the pressures for junior doctors, and will give them salaries and hours that they deserve.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Private institution.

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    Co-operative funeral services? Seeing as there aren't any private A&Es/ITUs.
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    I'm not sure which doctors drive ferraris tbh, also, why dont you go ask your employer to work 8-7 everyday and on saturdays and sometimes sundays and get less pay

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    Why should they go on strikes when MY taxes pay for them. Wow they're pays being cut so they won't be able to afford a second ferrari boo hoo. Meanwhile the poor refugees in calais are being subject to police and far right brutality. They need to get some perspective and stop their whinging and slowing down appointments in MY hospitals.
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    Doctors are the reason to why you haven't died yet. They spend years studying and working a high demand job.

    The migrants in Calais? They want to come to the UK to scrounge off benefits. Maybe you should join them and let them stay at yours if you love them so much.
    Ok... I agreed with you until you started slating migrants. Junior doctors are boss AF and I respect them for the amount of work they do for the *****y pay they get.

    Those migrants in Calais are escaping from war something that you are lucky, in the UK, to not have ever experienced. To not sympathise with their struggle and the sights they have seen is naive and crap.

    How someone can sympathise with junior doctors who get the chance for education but don't get paid enough and then condemn people who try and get a better life in a country where they don't fear death every day is beyond me.
 
 
 
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