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    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    Those that are of use too you, but not those who have fled war or come from countries where they are physically unable to live, okay lol.
    Your thread was about the positive contribution made by immigrants to the economy. Why are you switching the subject to war refugees?

    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    I really wish EVERY single immigrant packed their bag and left, only then will this country realise what a mess it is without immigration.
    Again, you are grossly distorting my point. I said that not all immigrants are worth the same. Some make a positive contribution, some don't.

    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    Your last point just highlights your stupidity (infact i just went on your profile and if your age is correct it probably illustrates why you are so offended by immigration). However i will answer you last point; If immigrants are NOT claiming benefits then surely they must be working too keep themselves alive and thus contributing to the economy. Also you do realise the natives on benefits are far worse for the economy then a immigrant who does not claim but washes car for example for £5. Also stop degrading jobs and saying that they all live in council flats. The ones who do only came here a few years ago and work hard. What is the excuse for the natives who have been living in them for years since living in council flats is so bad????
    Insults, I see.

    You have substantial differences between migrants. Some do not want to claim benefits because they don't want to be a burden, others do not have such consideration. Overall, the former outnumber the latter.

    I already said that native scroungers are terrible. We have to deal/cope with them. That's a fact. But it's not a reason to import more of similar people.

    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    You support someone like Donald Trump i could only pity your education and upbringing, your ignorance astounds me. In fact i would probably not be far off by assuming an immigrant has taken your job and this is why you are so defensive.
    I have two master's degrees with distinction and I hold an offer for a PhD at Oxford. I don't need you to pity my education and upbringing.

    I am also an immigrant on a high-paid job in the UK. I have paid about £500 of taxes and NI every month and never claimed a single penny of benefit.
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    I am completely agree!

    It is the native population that is to blame for their problems, they should not be racist
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Your thread was about the positive contribution made by immigrants to the economy. Why are you switching the subject to war refugees?


    Again, you are grossly distorting my point. I said that not all immigrants are worth the same. Some make a positive contribution, some don't.


    Insults, I see.

    You have substantial differences between migrants. Some do not want to claim benefits because they don't want to be a burden, others do not have such consideration. Overall, the former outnumber the latter.

    I already said that native scroungers are terrible. We have to deal/cope with them. That's a fact. But it's not a reason to import more of similar people.



    I have two master's degrees with distinction and I hold an offer for a PhD at Oxford. I don't need you to pity my education and upbringing.

    I am also an immigrant on a high-paid job in the UK. I have paid about £500 of taxes and NI every month and never claimed a single penny of benefit.
    I assume you are not studying anything to do with numbers, numerical analysis, economics or logic.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    This isn't necessarily true. For example, imagine a plumber from Romania. He would be happy to do the work for less than the going rate in the UK because it's still more than he would earn in his home country. He thereby undercuts British plumbers, who have to lower their prices.

    Also, there are many instances of businesses hiring undocumented immigrants and therefore being able to pay them peanuts, rather than hiring legitimate workers who would have to be paid th minimum wage and be granted worker rights.

    Shouting down those who complain about these things as failures is far too simplistic.
    Is that not more the fault of the employer though not immigrants? So people come here not knowing how much they should be paid in order to live, or simply unable to claim a decent wage, and employers take advantage of it and exploit them for hardly any money, but then people claim thats the immigrants fault.
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    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    Take a deep breath, have a glass of water and just re-read what you have wrote.

    The migrants are by your own graph making a better contribution than the natives, HOW can they be the ones aggravating the deficit when you admit the natives cost more.

    This is what education is like for Donald Trump supporters.
    They are aggravating the deficit because they still pay less tax than what they receive in public spending.
    It's very strange that you cannot understand that.

    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    EDIT: You also failed to reply to what i previously said to you, so im assuming i was right.
    I took the time to answer.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    I have two master's degrees with distinction and I hold an offer for a PhD at Oxford. I don't need you to pity my education and upbringing.

    I am also an immigrant on a high-paid job in the UK. I have paid about £500 of taxes and NI every month and never claimed a single penny of benefit.
    You do realise a masters does not define your intelligence..

    It cant really be "highpaying" if you only pay £6000 in tax lol sorry to burst your bubble but since you were degrading other peoples jobs.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    You are reading things a bit narrowly. Someone who pays less in taxes than benefits doesn't mean they are a liability. The reason is they still earn money that is spent in the economy. For example, if they earn £15,000 pa and pay £5000 tax and get £6000 in benefits, they have £16,000 to spend in the economy. The money spent pays indirect taxes such as VAT and duty such as on tobacco and alcohol. The money spent also employs people, pays for the NHS and other public services and keeps companies in business.

    If they were not in the UK, the UK economy would loss £9,000 a year.
    The graph mentions "government expenditure", not benefits. It means that they have calculated the cost of all public services and benefits versus all the taxes, direct and indirect, paid by natives and immigrants.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    They are aggravating the deficit because they still pay less tax than what they receive in public spending.
    It's very strange that you cannot understand that.
    So do you. So shut up now.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    They are aggravating the deficit because they still pay less tax than what they receive in public spending.
    It's very strange that you cannot understand that.



    I took the time to answer.
    I normally abhor ad hominems but you clearly have trouble understanding numbers and economics.
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    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    You do realise a masters does not define your intelligence..
    You didn't mention intelligence, but "education and upbringing".

    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    It cant really be "highpaying" if you only pay £6000 in tax lol sorry to burst your bubble but since you were degrading other peoples jobs.
    I'm above the median salary. How much do you make?
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    (Original post by Maker)
    I normally abhor ad hominems but you clearly have trouble understanding numbers and economics.
    Likewise.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    The graph mentions "government expenditure", not benefits. It means that they have calculated the cost of all public services and benefits versus all the taxes, direct and indirect, paid by natives and immigrants.
    So immigrants are keeping the deficient from being as bad as it could be without them. Following it to its logical conclusion, we should get rid of the natives since they are a bigger liability than the immigrants.

    Anyway, the graph only shows average figures, a millionaire obviously pays more tax than what the govt spends on them. A well paid immigrant professional does the same.

    I think I have just refuted your point.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    I'm above the median salary. How much do you make?
    Just about. Not the point you said the Non EU immigrants were using more than they were paying in taxes and here we are with you doing the same.

    I am 18 in my last year of sixth form.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Likewise.
    I got one MSc and no PhD, I was under the impression Oxford offers DPhil rather than PhD.
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    (Original post by sfaraj)
    fam my family were immigrants, me and my sister go to local schools with no admission problems, we are born british, my family got a house easily, ive been to A&E countless times
    I wonder if the situation would be the same now had your family migrated a decade or 2 later.

    (Original post by sfaraj)
    now A&E is not a problem caused by immigrants
    It's a problem compounded by mass uncontrolled immigration

    (Original post by sfaraj)
    75% of my school come from immigrated family
    So you've seen the problem first hand...
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    (Original post by Reue)
    I wonder if the situation would be the same now had your family migrated a decade or 2 later.



    It's a problem compounded by mass uncontrolled immigration



    So you've seen the problem first hand...
    There were lots of immigrants in my school as well.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    So immigrants are keeping the deficient from being as bad as it could be without them. Following it to its logical conclusion, we should get rid of the natives since they are a bigger liability than the immigrants.

    I think I have just refuted your point.
    I have already acknowledged that natives cost more, otherwise there wouldn't be such a large deficit. What I have said since the beginning is only worthy immigrants should be accepted, whilst OP seems to think that an immigrant is automatically good.
    The fact that the UK is having a large problem of overspending is not a reason for accepting people who will be a drain on the public finances. Currently, the count is not right for non-EEA migrants.
    (Original post by Maker)
    I got one MSc and no PhD, I was under the impression Oxford offers DPhil rather than PhD.
    Yes, but it's the same thing as a PhD.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    There were lots of immigrants in my school as well.
    Congratulations
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    (Original post by Maker)
    There were lots of immigrants in my school as well.
    my condolences
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    (Original post by Reue)
    I wonder if the situation would be the same now had your family migrated a decade or 2 later.
    It's a problem compounded by mass uncontrolled immigration
    So you've seen the problem first hand...
    cute my family migrated over a decade ago so you know nothing aha

    no its not, people should not be left to bloody die in their own homes, migrants aren't aliens or animals, they are human who respire the same way you do, their body works the same way as yours...

    and its not a problem, actually the fact my school is an exam entrance all girls grammar school shows a lot of immigrants are really smart and my school is known for all its students getting into russel unis so tbh its not a problem

    you know if you hate migrants so much, move to america you and trump will get on just fine
 
 
 
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