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    they should set an exsamply to the younger people not to lie.
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    (Original post by 2016_GCSE)
    There's time.
    Good luck!
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    So you wouldn't mind if the the Stay campaign started saying "We get £35m a day from the EU what a fantastic thing"?

    Because that is fact, too.
    No I wouldn't mind because a journalist interviewing them or a remain campaigner would be quick to point out that me also pay £55m a day and people can make of that what they will.

    The only reason the remain campaign don't say that we get £35m a day is because 55>35 so they don't even want to talk about the fact that we are net contributors at all. If they can help it, they'd rather talk about the benefits of the Eu rather than drawing attention to the fact we are still big net contributors.

    Politicians get limited airtime and so they will always focus on the facts that best support their side. There is nothing dishonest about that.
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    (Original post by Sternumator)
    No I wouldn't mind because a journalist interviewing them or a remain campaigner would be quick to point out that me also pay £55m a day and people can make of that what they will.

    The only reason the remain campaign don't say that we get £35m a day is because 55>35 so they don't even want to talk about the fact that we are net contributors at all. If they can help it, they'd rather talk about the benefits of the Eu rather than drawing attention to the fact we are still big net contributors.

    Politicians get limited airtime and so they will always focus on the facts that best support their side. There is nothing dishonest about that.
    Yea and it's because of people like you that can't understand that there is more than money, that they are successful.

    It's disheartening to see how many people, are incapable of a little bit of thought.

    For one, Britain's spending on foreign aid is twice the net contribution to the EU...might as well see EU as Britain giving aid more close to home. But I don't see a party making it a campaign issue to cut foreign aid.

    Or did you know that Britain is spending over £200 billion on welfare? Call it social protection, google it.

    I mean I am not even talking about the moral decision here to say, well hey we are a great country, this EU thing is a good idea, let's pay a bit more for now. Noooooo, let's not do that. Let's be totally selfish, weigh up pure, visible monetary values and decide on that.
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    (Original post by Sternumator)

    Politicians get limited airtime and so they will always focus on the facts that best support their side. There is nothing dishonest about that.
    Intentionally misrepresenting of the truth is the definition of dishonest.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    Just want to put this out there to combat this campaign of blatant lies coming from the out campaign.

    Over half of the money we give to the EU comes directly back to us in the form of a rebate. We then get more back in the form of science grants, development funding and agriculture subsidies.

    I don't understand how this lie keeps being spread. Do none of the out voters actually do any research of their own? Do they just parrot whatever they read in their tabloid of choice? Ridiculous.
    It's the headline figure before rebate and the grants the eu decides to give us it's actually about 30 million a day....

    Point still stands


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    (Original post by Trapping)
    We have a Sherlock Holmes here :clap2:
    £55m a day would mean we give £20.75bn a year. Which is simply not possible in the long term :smartass:
    I think somebody has no idea what the UK's debt stands at.

    http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    lolwat

    sure the UK might be able to gain some kind of trade deal but it'll almost certainly be either worse for the UK than EU membership or will bind the UK to most EU law anyway
    How do any of the 168 odd or whatever non EU countries survive!!?
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    How do any of the 168 odd or whatever non EU countries survive!!?
    generally quite poorly, with extensive trade deals, or by being a very large state themselves
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    generally quite poorly, with extensive trade deals, or by being a very large state themselves
    Damn thats crazy. What do you mean a large state?
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    How do any of the 168 odd or whatever non EU countries survive!!?
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    generally quite poorly, with extensive trade deals, or by being a very large state themselves
    How does one become a large state if they are not part of the elite EU club!? How did countries like USA, Australia, Canada, Singapore manage to not only survive but prosper!? Meanwhile EU country Greece is heading to oblivion again and youth unemployment is rampant across so many EU countries...
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    How does one become a large state if they are not part of the elite EU club!? How did countries like USA, Australia, Canada, Singapore manage to not only survive but prosper!? Meanwhile EU country Greece is heading to oblivion again and youth unemployment is rampant across so many EU countries...
    You're just being obstructive to debate now. The question isn't whether EU membership is a necessary condition of economic growth - obviously, it's not. The question is whether it is beneficial for UK economic growth.
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    lol
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    You're just being obstructive to debate now. The question isn't whether EU membership is a necessary condition of economic growth - obviously, it's not. The question is whether it is beneficial for UK economic growth.
    Which you have two sets of equally qualified economists saying different things


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    (Original post by paul514)
    Which you have two sets of equally qualified economists saying different things


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    Two unequal sets in number giving predictions ranging from marginally positive to devastatingly negative.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Two unequal sets in number giving predictions ranging from marginally positive to devastatingly negative.
    If someone believes the devastating figures they are an idiot.

    Unfortunately the country has many


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    (Original post by paul514)
    If someone believes the devastating figures they are an idiot.

    Unfortunately the country has many


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    Yea, you being at the forefront of these.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    Yea, you being at the forefront of these.
    Care to explain how the devastating figures are realistic then?


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    (Original post by paul514)
    Care to explain how the devastating figures are realistic then?


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    Care to explain why you believe the majority of institutions and experts to be wrong? And even if you can, why people who believe the majority of institutions and experts to be idiots?
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    Care to explain why you believe the majority of institutions and experts to be wrong? And even if you can, why people who believe the majority of institutions and experts to be idiots?
    After you, educate me


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