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    (Original post by Eternalflames)
    They're not all descendants of the Mughals, they like to think they have some Mughal(royal) blood but all of them don't. Many are converts from Hinduism of that local region. Hence why there are still Muslims in India after 1947 because that's their original place before they converted to Islam.

    Hindus are actually from Afghanistan, but I won't derail the thread here.
    I do not speak about genetics. I speak about culture. The "Pakistanis" comiteed treason against their own ancestors and people for siding with the muslim invadors. They lost their claim on anything pre-muslim in "Pakistan".

    Pakistan is an artifical nation created on Indian soil. It should never existed. This speaking as a person who sympathise with Indian patriots.
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    (Original post by nucdev)
    Sardar Patel also deserves a similar level of respect for unifying all those princely states into the Indian Union after Independence imo :yep:

    Way more than Nehru tbh
    I think all the figures involved deserve the respect
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    (Original post by nucdev)
    Lmfao too complicated :lol:

    Mum's side moved to Uganda from Kenya before coming over in the 70s when they were expelled.
    Dad's side came in the 80s from Kenya
    Oh right! You must know Swahili too then?
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    (Original post by Erebor)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ethnicity.html

    The report is from a few years ago but it's only gotten worse since then.


    Why are indians doing so well compared to these other groups and what can be done to get them off benefits and into work?
    It depends what you mean by minorities, are Welsh included, North Easterners, Jews etc. Making judgements like this is pretty futile.
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    (Original post by slaven)
    I do not speak about genetics. I speak about culture. The "Pakistanis" committed treason against their own ancestors and people for siding with the Muslim invaders. They lost their claim on anything pre-muslim in "Pakistan".

    Pakistan is an artificial nation created on Indian soil. It should never existed. This speaking as a person who sympathises with Indian patriots.
    Um, it was allowed to be made to make sure a Muslim majority wouldn't get power in India. If the Indians truly didn't want it to go, they would have told the British to oppose Jinnah wanting Independence.
    Stop calling it Indian soil, it's not and most Indians are glad it exists.

    As for Kashmir, they should be allowed to be an Independent nation. Neither Pakistan's nor India's.
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    (Original post by Eternalflames)
    I think all the figures involved deserve the respect
    Naah not Nehru - he's the reason why half the problems exist in India tbh.
    He pushed India towards socialism with such a bureaucratic state that stifled enterprise and RUINED India's economy by the 90s - India almost became bankrupt and had to ask for an IMF bailout.
    His dynasty (Indira G, Rajiv G and now Sonia G) has been thrust upon India and have been engaged in corruption of monumental proportions.
    And don't even get me started on how he goofed up with Kashmir!

    In fact most of the Congress Party wanted Sardar Patel to become the first PM, but Mahatma Gandhi made Nehru the PM due to Nehru's ego.


    (Original post by Eternalflames)
    Oh right! You must know Swahili too then?
    Some words yeah. Mostly words for kitchen utensils :rofl:
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    You cannot go wrong with a family structure that eschews traditional values. One has to physically pressure the youth in to studying worthwhile rigorous subjects and hammer home the importance of maintaining orderly civilised behaviour. Then when they graduate and come of age marriage and reproductive arrangements are imposed rigorously by the parents (again if need be using force). Doing what the westerners such as spending 3 years doing History and then ****ing around Thailand for ten years is not an option; men are steered towards professional white collar well remunerated work and women obviously are confined to their maternal, communal, pastoral role. Any interference with this dynamic can only ever lead to societal disruption and anarchy - just look at the shambles joe gora finds himself in now; Its either teen parents or 45 year old singletons living off benefits, takeaways, alcohol and soft drugs. The way we do things is the correct path, Islam is clearly the optimal way of life but even the other desi faiths still manage to maintain the core family values which impact positively on education.
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    (Original post by Eternalflames)
    Um, it was allowed to be made to make sure a Muslim majority wouldn't get power in India. If the Indians truly didn't want it to go, they would have told the British to oppose Jinnah wanting Independence.
    Stop calling it Indian soil, it's not and most Indians are glad it exists.

    As for Kashmir, they should be allowed to be an Independent nation. Neither Pakistan's nor India's.
    Actually Congress leaders wanted a united India and only relectuantly agreed to the 2 nation theory.
    When Berlin fell to the Red Army in 1945, Churchill panicked and ordered an instant enquiry into British interests in the Indian Ocean and in British India. He was concerened because the Soviets had entered Iran and he asked the Indian National Congress whether they would allow Britain (and the USA) to set up a base in North-West India to counter the Red Army. The Congress said no because they were quite close to the Communists.
    He then asked the Muslim League (Jinnah and co) who were quite OK with this. The British were quite happy to create Pakistan because along with the Americans, they had a base in Northern Pakistan from which to fight the Soviets.
    This connection is unfortunately not made in the West. All of this is so intertwined and was a mistake that was made. This is also why Britain and USA propped up and favoured Pakistan over India for a long time with India only becoming the darling of the Brits and Americans in the last 2 decades.


    (Original post by slaven)
    Yes, I know. They sold the culture of their ancestors in favour of invaders. Unfortunately, they indentify with the invaders more with the native Hindus and Buddhist. Therefore they are not native anymore.
    Actually this is true and there are plenty of Indian Muslims who also do this. It is quite honestly disgusting. I know too many people in my own community who happily celebrate *******s like Aurangzeb, Ghaznavi, Ghori, Muhammad bin Qasim who are known for their hate and immense persecution of the Hindus Buddhists and Jains.

    Too many Muslims of the subcontinent are happy to visit the Quwwat-ul-Islam Mosque in Delhi which was built after destroying 27 Hindu and Jain temples.
    But I do not know of a single Desi Muslim who has visited the Cheruman Juma Mosque in Kerala, one of the oldest Mosques in the world, the first in the subcontinent built during the lifetime of the Prophet (SAW) himself and one that was built on land donated by a Hindu king.
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    Screw Bose that nazi sympathiser. **** him. There's a reason his lot found themselves in America farming communities after the war. ****ing terrorist. You can't deny India would be a better place with British rule, there would be infrastructure with people paying tax and majority of people going to schools and having healthcare. This rampant corruption in public officers and from police forces would be put to a stop aswell. I say this as a Sikh. Then again most of us were loyal to the crown, even though many believe ranjit singhs empire was stole away from him
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    (Original post by Erebor)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ethnicity.html

    The report is from a few years ago but it's only gotten worse since then.


    Why are indians doing so well compared to these other groups and what can be done to get them off benefits and into work?
    Simple they integrate really well into western society

    The others don't


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    Many Indians I know tend to have a good head for business. Couple of Indian guys at school would always come to school selling phone cases, shocker pens, sweets, all sorts of stuff brand new. God knows where it all came from :lol:
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    (Original post by WoodyMKC)
    Many Indians I know tend to have a good head for business. Couple of Indian guys at school would always come to school selling phone cases, shocker pens, sweets, all sorts of stuff brand new. God knows where it all came from :lol:
    Were they Gujarati by any chance? :rofl:

    It's just the way we Gujjus are :lol:
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    (Original post by WoodyMKC)
    Many Indians I know tend to have a good head for business. Couple of Indian guys at school would always come to school selling phone cases, shocker pens, sweets, all sorts of stuff brand new. God knows where it all came from :lol:
    Alibaba, mass import from china lol

    happened at my school too, they sold dr dre headphones
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    (Original post by nucdev)
    Were they Gujarati by any chance? :rofl:

    It's just the way we Gujjus are :lol:
    Nah they were Punjabi Sikhs mate. One of them owns a phone shop in the local town now, loaded he is.
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    (Original post by Bealzibub)
    Alibaba, mass import from china lol

    happened at my school too, they sold dr dre headphones
    Been about 10 years since I was at school last so I dunno if Alibaba was a thing over here then :lol:
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    (Original post by WoodyMKC)
    Been about 10 years since I was at school last so I dunno if Alibaba was a thing over here then :lol:
    Hahaha ... that A* GCSE geography :rofl:
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    ...no?
    ...wait, indians and pakistanis aren't different races? pakistan is simply former north-west india
    Say it louder for the people in the back!

    he-neh nucdev ravioliyears
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    (Original post by Erebor)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ethnicity.html

    The report is from a few years ago but it's only gotten worse since then.


    Why are indians doing so well compared to these other groups and what can be done to get them off benefits and into work?
    Many Indians have started as middle class (eg come from Kenya as business people) or IT professionals.

    If you looked at the figures differently as how many started as WORKING CLASS or UNDER CLASS and then became MIDDLE CLASS I would suspect that all groups do about the same apart from Roman Catholics who always do the best by miles (sorry - lol) ...
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    (Original post by Erebor)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ethnicity.html

    The report is from a few years ago but it's only gotten worse since then.


    Why are indians doing so well compared to these other groups and what can be done to get them off benefits and into work?
    It's not representative of the Indian demographic as you seem to imply, that is to say, it isn't race or ethnicity at work here.

    The Indian demographics that live in the UK largely came over at the end of the British colonization of India, the ones that came over were in all well to do middle class, with the money to travel and the intelligence to realize that without us racist white people running their country for them it would go down the [email protected]

    If you were to take actual lower/working class Indians you would see a stark difference in the stats, many of them still live tribal existences.

    There was specific warnings given by the Indians that came over, when the government was about to open our borders to rural Pakistan and India, that these people were very different, I could hunt out the quote if you like. It was in a talk given by Christopher Hittchens on the Muslim issue in his area.
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    (Original post by Daimonos)
    But most Indians sh*t in the street though
    But the country comes out with the 2nd highest number of scientists and engineers in the world so
 
 
 
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