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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Oh shut it. Why is race even being brought into it?
    He's trolling...
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    (Original post by STEMisSuperior.)
    Sure its a general reference. But when the LGBT community are avid defenders of Islam, keen supporters of refugees, and all for multiculturalism i dont think you should be dismissing it like that.

    I mean, there's not many who are heterophobic right?
    I really do not understand all the comments about Islam?

    No.
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    (Original post by STEMisSuperior.)
    As i said, it was a generic reference.

    You're delusional.
    Yes I suffer from the delusion of rejecting your pop culture notion of the privilege/victim status hierarchy....which was unheard of a decade ago.

    (Original post by zetamcfc)
    He's trolling...
    I obviously lack the faith in humanity you have. We now know that people are genuinely this dumb.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Im not really sure whats up for debate here. Britain is extremely tolerant of homesexuals. If the aims of the LBGT community is for a world to exist where not one single homosexual is called a homophobic slur, then that is never going to happen.

    Slight side point to the article included in the OP but we cannot even be sure his sexuality motivated the attack. Providing the religious demographic stays low, homosexuals will only continue to become more and more accepted in society
    It was a homophobic attack? "We can't be sure" - that's what it was; the article clearly states the man made homophobic remarks and was verbally abusive before the assault.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Yes I suffer from the delusion of rejecting your pop culture notion of the privilege/victim status hierarchy....which was unheard of a decade ago.
    Can you both stop turning this into something else, please?
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    I really do not understand all the comments about Islam?

    No.
    Islam thinks its fine to murder homosexuals yet the LGBT community defend them. If anything, they should be the ones openly criticising the islamic establishment and yet the closest they come to that is requesting for a change of laws.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    If some chav wants to smack a gay guy in the mouth for being gay, no amounts of protesting in your underpants or thinking up new terminology in your social justice class will change that.

    The only privilege is money.
    What does this have to do with the price of bread?
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    Can you both stop turning this into something else, please?
    I will but he read it out of context, i explain myself and the idiot continues to mumble on, diverging on.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    It was a homophobic attack? "We can't be sure" - that's what it was; the article clearly states the man made homophobic remarks and was verbally abusive before the assault.
    I am not saying he didn't use homophobic language, I am saying that it does not necessarily mean he was attacked for being homosexual
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    (Original post by STEMisSuperior.)
    I will but he read it out of context, i explain myself and the idiot continues to mumble on, diverging on.
    Just leave it. Theymre just trying to sound intelligent "privilege/victim status hierarchy" - oh stop.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    I am not saying he didn't use homophobic language, I am saying that it does not necessarily mean he was attacked for being homosexual
    You are really hairsplitting now. It was quite clear.
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    (Original post by STEMisSuperior.)
    Islam thinks its fine to murder homosexuals yet the LGBT community defend them. If anything, they should be the ones openly criticising the islamic establishment and yet the closest they come to that is requesting for a change of laws.
    No, I'm sorry but stop right there.

    1. This has no relevance to the thread.

    2. People sport the protection and shared solidarity of muslims. Never, does an LGBTQIA person sit there and say, "they execute us and that's okay because it's their faith".
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    You are really hairsplitting now. It was quite clear.
    Its not hairsplitting.. its a really important distinction.

    The article has us assuming that the attack was completely unprovoked and was motivated by the mans sexuality all this inferred by him using homophobic remarks

    Now it may well have been, I am simply stating thats not necessarily the case..

    Maybe the victim poo'd on his hands and smeared it over his attacker whilst calling him a fat ugly tramp... Attacker turns around makes homophobic slurs and lamps him one..

    Would you still say he attacked him because he was a homosexual?
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/11...hton-seafront/

    - - - - - - - - -

    I don't usually post threads like these ever but I came across this earlier and thought I should post it. People assume that everything is perfect in the Western world, that the LGBTQIA community is fully integrated, supported, and protected by the law. It is not. These sorts of attacks still happen very regularly and I thought it would be worth reinforcing that message.

    Now, this is not a thread inviting debate about whether or not being gay is right, whether or not its LGBT or LGBTQIA, whether or not T is a sexuality, and whether or not free speech is being limited by laws protecting homosexuals and so on. People often go into these things on such threads - don't, please.

    It would be nice to discuss what you think about the gay rights movement and whether or not it has achieved its goals, why things like this still happen, and whether or not it is taken seriously enough.
    It's LGBTAISDK ffs, why do you just forget about other sexualities, you sound like a bigot
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Its not hairsplitting.. its a really important distinction.

    The article has us assuming that the attack was completely unprovoked and was motivated by the mans sexuality all this inferred by him using homophobic remarks

    Now it may well have been, I am simply stating thats not necessarily the case..

    Maybe the victim poo'd on his hands and smeared it over his attacker whilst calling him a fat ugly tramp... Attacker turns around makes homophobic slurs and lamps him one..

    Would you still say he attacked him because he was a homosexual?
    But that didn't happen. If it did then I'd say it was only a contributing factor, but it didn't.

    You are hairsplitting. The distinction is generally important but all sources on this particular occurrence, across accounts/reports, note that it had homophobic motives. The blatant homophobic language is one piece of obvious evidence. You are indeed, hairsplitting to try and prove a point.
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    It's LGBTAISDK ffs, why do you just forget about other sexualities, you sound like a bigot
    It is not. Grow up, silly child.

    (Original post by Omen96)
    You are a prime example of someone in the LGBTAISDK community who defends Islam. Please go to Saudi Arabia and report back, well that's if you are still walking
    I support the right to believe what you believe and practise your religion privately and personally. That is not the same as supporting Islamic concepts or the state in Saudi and other Middle Eastern countries.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    But that didn't happen. If it did then I'd say it was only a contributing factor, but it didn't.

    You are hairsplitting. The distinction is generally important but all sources on this particular occurrence, across accounts/reports, note that it had homophobic motives. The blatant homophobic language is one piece of obvious evidence. You are indeed, hairsplitting to try and prove a point.
    Yes it was a hypothetical to make the point that just because somebody used homophobic slurs during an altercation does not neccesarily mean that said altercation was motivated by homophobia

    I haven't read all sources, just the article you linked too.

    No blatant homophobic language is not obvious evidence without understanding the extenuating circumstances and context of the altercation. This is not hairsplitting... its making a crucial argument
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Yes it was a hypothetical to make the point that just because somebody used homophobic slurs during an altercation does not neccesarily mean that said altercation was motivated by homophobia

    I haven't read all sources, just the article you linked too.

    No blatant homophobic language is not obvious evidence without understanding the extenuating circumstances and context of the altercation. This is not hairsplitting... its making a crucial argument
    You are trying to say it wasn't homophobia... when it was.

    I see the need for the distinctiom but evidence has been given here and the accused admitted.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    You are trying to say it wasn't homophobia... when it was.

    I see the need for the distinctiom but evidence has been given here and the accused admitted.
    Im not! I am saying we cant be sure it was homophobia that motivated the attack without further info which the linked article does not have.
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    Guys in my school call each other **** all the time. The last thing they expect of any of their friends to be gay. Guys call other guys **** to be insulting just like girls can call each other bitc*es or h*oes before they fight each other. In fact, the guys call each other **** in a playful manner at least in my school. The same as calling your friend a crazy bi*ch in a joking a manner.

    I'm not sure what goes down in the UK but it isn't uncommon for guys to call each other **** in an insult contest in the USA. Maybe the attack was motivated for him being gay or maybe it wasn't. Who knows.

    Gay people are pretty accepted in America. I'm sorry for ignorance of how gays are treated in the Uk but compared to other countries/places, gay people have more rights.
 
 
 
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