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    (Original post by TrueDetective01)
    Well, I live in Norway and it is demoralising as a worker to pay for something that I am forced to pay for and not even by choice
    Boohoo. Cry more about it. There's a reason Norway and Scandinavian countries are doing so amazingly well. It's because of socialism.
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    (Original post by elizah)
    Boohoo. Cry more about it. There's a reason Norway and Scandinavian countries are doing so amazingly well. It's because of socialism.
    Tell that to Sweden, the now rape capital of Europe... Of course the locals are probably proud of it considering their recent attitude to that kinda thing.
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    (Original post by elizah)
    Boohoo. Cry more about it. There's a reason Norway and Scandinavian countries are doing so amazingly well. It's because of socialism.
    Come here and work if you want too since you love 'socialism' so much . I honestly think you will thrive once the state takes 50% of your monthly pay check.
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    (Original post by Xelfrost)
    Tell that to Sweden, the now rape capital of Europe... Of course the locals are probably proud of it considering their recent attitude to that kinda thing.
    This is what happens when you shelter young-adults from reality
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    (Original post by Xelfrost)
    Tell that to Sweden, the now rape capital of Europe... Of course the locals are probably proud of it considering their recent attitude to that kinda thing.
    The only reason Sweden is the "rape capital of Europe" is because a) more rapes get reported. According to RAINN, 68% of all rapes are never reported to the police. This isn't the case in Sweden and b) "In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separetely, to make it visible in the statistics", says Klara Selin, a sociologist at the National Council for Crime Prevention in Stockholm. "So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and says my husband raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
    I swear, right-wing people are some of the biggest morons I've ever encountered. PLEASE, educate yourself before you start spewing ignorant lies.
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    (Original post by TrueDetective01)
    Come here and work if you want too since you love 'socialism' so much . I honestly think you will thrive once the state takes 50% of your monthly pay check.
    I would HAPPILY pay that amount in taxes if the standards of living in the UK were even close to that of Norway or Finland. Finland literally has one of the best education systems in the world. Besides, only upper middle class people do that in Scandinavia, the people who can afford it. Working class people don't. Lower middle class people don't either.
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    (Original post by elizah)
    The only reason Sweden is the "rape capital of Europe" is because a) more rapes get reported. According to RAINN, 68% of all rapes are never reported to the police. This isn't the case in Sweden and b) "In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separetely, to make it visible in the statistics", says Klara Selin, a sociologist at the National Council for Crime Prevention in Stockholm. "So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and says my husband raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."Source: [/b]
    I swear, right-wing people are some of the biggest morons I've ever encountered. PLEASE, educate yourself before you start spewing ignorant lies.
    I'm spewing ignorant lies? Because all I said was it's the rape capital of Europe, and your first line seems to be that you agree with that statement. Sweden is the Rape capital of Europe, regardless of whatever statistic you use to make me look like a bigot.

    I swear lefties are some of the biggest morons I've ever had the misfortune to come across, can't even go one paragraph without contradicting themselves... :^)
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    (Original post by elizah)
    I would HAPPILY pay that amount in taxes if the standards of living in the UK were even close to that of Norway or Finland. Finland literally has one of the best education systems in the world. Besides, only upper middle class people do that in Scandinavia, the people who can afford it. Working class people don't. Lower middle class people don't either.
    Well that's your choice and your choice only. I don't want to pay a high amount of taxes and that should be my choice. I should not be forced by government to pay for things like free healthcare and free education .
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    (Original post by IAMADAM27)
    One problem with that: You cannot debate with a feminist...
    I hate that feminists get such a bad name... people forget that not all feminists are man haters or think men is the enemy- that is just radicals. The rest of us are perfectly logical thinkers who are up for a good debate and open to listening to the other side
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    I think both?
    Men are expected to be the breadwinner of the household, do the heavy lifting work, and not allowed to express their emotions physically.

    Women are expected to be sexually "pure" and if they have sex w/ a guy or multiple guys, even if the guy is screwing her or if the guy had sex w/ multiple girls, she will always be labeled the slut or hoe in sexual exchanges. Women are expected to just be submissive in relationships and to cook for their husbands even if they're holding down a job themselves.

    This is just how I see it.
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    (Original post by Xelfrost)
    I'm spewing ignorant lies? Because all I said was it's the rape capital of Europe, and your first line seems to be that you agree with that statement. Sweden is the Rape capital of Europe, regardless of whatever statistic you use to make me look like a bigot.

    I swear lefties are some of the biggest morons I've ever had the misfortune to come across, can't even go one paragraph without contradicting themselves... :^)
    Rapes do not occur at a higher rate in Sweden than it does in any other countries. Therefore it is not the rape capital of Europe. It's that simple.
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    (Original post by elizah)
    Rapes do not occur at a higher rate in Sweden than it does in any other countries. Therefore it is not the rape capital of Europe. It's that simple.
    Well no, that is an outright lie. Sweden is, according to a significant number of reliable sources including the EU itself, the rape capital of Europe. No matter of stupid excuses is going to change that. Please don't lie, you're helping no one by refusing to aknowledge a rape epidemic.
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    (Original post by TrueDetective01)
    Well that's your choice and your choice only. I don't want to pay a high amount of taxes and that should be my choice. I should not be forced by government to pay for things like free healthcare and free education .
    Move to the US, a perfectly capitalist country where you won't have to pay high taxes, then, a country drowning in debt, where whether you're able to go to college depends on how rich your family is, where waiters make 2 dollars (16 NOK) an hour, where people work 40 hours of week yet can't afford to pay for things such as basic healthcare, food, and rent, where government officials end more lives in a month than UK officials do over the course of 95 years (let alone norway), where the education standards are falling, where having a non culturally coded name like jenna or luke is worth 8 more yearsthan having a culturally coded name that's not acceptable like ibrahim or josé, where 45 million people live in poverty. be my guest. <3
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    (Original post by aarora)
    Why was it up for debate? What even are the arguments of a man being oppressed?
    How are women oppressed?
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    (Original post by Xelfrost)
    Well no, that is an outright lie. Sweden is, according to a significant number of reliable sources, including the EU itself. The rape capital of Europe. No matter of stupid excuses is going to change that. Please don't lie, you're helping no one by refusing to aknowledge a rape epidemic.
    Reliable sources... meaning... statistics? I've already EXPLAINED to you why that's higher than in any countries. It doesn't mean that rapes occur more, simply that they consider it in a different way, and more Swedish women report their rapes.
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    (Original post by elizah)
    Move to the US, a perfectly capitalist country where you won't have to pay high taxes, then, a country drowning in debt, where whether you're able to go to college depends on how rich your family is, where waiters make 2 dollars (16 NOK) an hour, where people work 40 hours of week yet can't afford to pay for things such as basic healthcare, food, and rent, where government officials end more lives in a month than UK officials do over the course of 95 years (let alone norway), where the education standards are falling, where having a non culturally coded name like jenna or luke is worth 8 more yearsthan having a culturally coded name that's not acceptable like ibrahim or josé, where 45 million people live in poverty. be my guest. <3
    Again, you are not answering my question. Why should it be my issue if a waiter does not share the same ambitions as I?. A waiter can also work hard, go to university, get a perfectly acceptable degree and earn loads.

    Are you saying waiters are incapable of innovation, entrepreneurship, creativity?
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    (Original post by elizah)
    Reliable sources... meaning... statistics? I've already EXPLAINED to you why that's higher than in any countries. It doesn't mean that rapes occur more, simply that they consider it in a different way, and more Swedish women report their rapes.
    I don't care for the opinions of some student on why there are more reported rapes. I care about the fact swedens PROSECUTED rapes are the highest in Europe. Stop living in denial, Scandinavia isn't the socialist utopia you claim it is.
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    (Original post by TrueDetective01)
    Again, you are not answering my question. Why should it be my issue if a waiter does not share the same ambitions as I?. A waiter can also work hard, go to university, get a perfectly acceptable degree and earn loads.

    Are you saying waiters are incapable of innovation, entrepreneurship, creativity?
    Except the fact that 44% of college graduates are underemployed in the US. The idea that everybody who goes to university (which, not a lot of people can, especially if they're born into lower-class families despite decent grades) "earn loads" is laughable.
    I'm saying that waiters deserve decent salaries. I'm saying that not advocating that means that you're not advocating basic human rights; " Article 25: "Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control."
    In a capitalist country, it's not possible to do this on 2 dollars an hour. You're blinded by your love for money and your general lack of concern for others.
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    It's amazing isn't it?
    Feminists declare we live in a rape culture and will use any means to try to support it - ie mangled stats and discredited methods that make British universities seem more dangerous than the streets of Sierra Leone, (1 in 4 will be raped while in uni) and will never, never under any circumstances play down rape stats.........until it comes to Sweden

    Question......Why would that be?
    What is it that is so special about Sweden's rape situation that makes feminists deny things are as bad as they seem?
 
 
 
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