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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Looking at the maps of where it lost contact and of the Meditterannean sea depths, it looks as if it may have gone down in one of the deepest areas of the sea. It could be 3000m down.

    Lots of debris are being found at any rate. Some of that might be enough to confirm or deny a terrorist attack. You tend to find out what didn't bring an aircraft down pretty quickly.
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    (Original post by hovado)
    The expert I heard on the BBC was suggesting the computer may have tried to correct a mechanical failure leading to the violent turns.
    That is plausible but does not account for the lack of a Mayday call, which would have been made simultaneously with trying to get control back in the event of a failure.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    That includes atheists and anyone opposed to the caliphate, including the Egyptian government (whose tourism industry Islamists wish to destroy).
    This sounds like an answer someone would give in an English literature exam. You've really thought this out, haven't you?

    That verse only applies if the people are living under the ruling of the Islamic State, which is not the case here. If the non-Muslims living there spread mischief or wage war, they are to be killed. There's not much else to it.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Sorry have to disagree if the trope is used in every instance it simple becomes trope with no valid meaning other tan we know it will be rolled out at some point

    But have to agree with you it is well known Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else (which is why I've always been amazed at the ire reserved for the west)
    It becomes tedious, but not untrue. If we use the majority rule, i.e. you can only generalise a group by the actions of their majority, then Muslims can go on saying "Not all Muslims are terrorists" even if a thousand terror attacks happen. That statement itself remains true from the first attack to the last, although it becomes tedious as I said, and most times irrelevant.
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    It was directed towards them but it also applies to Muslims.
    If you read it carefully you will find the verse is describing the old laws that had been laid down for the Israelites. The next verse makes it clear the old situation no longer applies, as a consequence of repeated disobedience. So, while it used to apply to the Jews, it does not apply to Moslems.
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    You included that link and failed to properly read the explanation yourself. Typical. Either that or you didn't understand it.
    I like how you've already decided, before his response to the charge that he didn't read it properly, that it simply must be a misunderstanding if this isn't the case and he still came to a conclusion that you disagree with.

    Pre-empting/making contingency plans like that isn't very intellectually honest - it reads like an attempt to ensure that you won't have to concede the point no matter what happens, since whether something is correctly understood is entirely subjective. 'If not X, then Y; if not Y, then something else, because my view cannot be false.'
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    That is plausible but does not account for the lack of a Mayday call, which would have been made simultaneously with trying to get control back in the event of a failure.
    Who knows, I have nothing more to add on that i'm afraid he didn't go into the lack of a mayday call, i'll let you get on with your conspiracy theories now.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    It becomes tedious, but not untrue. If we use the majority rule, i.e. you can only generalise a group by the actions of their majority, then Muslims can go on saying "Not all Muslims are terrorists" even if a thousand terror attacks happen. That statement itself remains true from the first attack to the last, although it becomes tedious as I said, and most times irrelevant.
    Yes Very Tedious (hence it's usefulness in these types of discussion is nothing more than to cause a distraction from the point)

    Thing is I don't see people generalise other than mostly Muslims generalising the responses saying we are talking about 'all Muslims' when this clearly isn't the case.
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    (Original post by hovado)
    Who knows, well i'll let you get on with your conspiracy theories now.
    What conspiracy? I am merely speculating (with little evidence other than the sharp turns and, especially, the lack of a Mayday call) that the incident appears to fit a hijacking rather better than it fits a plane failure.

    What conspiracy evidence have you heard?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    What conspiracy? I am merely speculating (with little evidence other than the sharp turns and, especially, the lack of a Mayday call) that the incident appears to fit a hijacking rather better than it fits a plane failure.

    What conspiracy evidence have you heard?
    You're speculating that there was a conspiracy to bring down the plane, clearly you've created yourself a conspiracy theory.
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    (Original post by hovado)
    You're speculating that there was a conspiracy to bring down the plane, clearly you've created yourself a conspiracy theory.
    I have said nothing whatever about how many people were involved if it is a hijack attempt.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    I have said nothing whatever about how many people were involved if it is a hijack attempt.
    So you believe it was a lone hijacker with no connections to any terrorist groups?
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    (Original post by hovado)
    So you believe it was a lone hijacker with no connections to any terrorist groups?
    I have no evidence that it wasn't, and it may be. Years ago, jokes about hijacks always contained the line "This is a hijack; take this plane to Cuba".
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    I have no evidence that it wasn't, and it may be. Years ago, jokes about hijacks always contained the line "This is a hijack; take this plane to Cuba".
    Then why all the talk of islamist extremists, that's not how the generally operate is it? Enjoy your conspiracy theories.
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    This thread should be closed unless we go back to discussing the plane crash...
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    I have not suggested Islamist extremists perpetrated the incident. I have, however, mentioned in an unrelated aside that they have a motive to do so.
    Its ok, theres nothing wrong with a good conspiracy theory.
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    Looks highly likely to be because of terrorism. Terrible for all on board. Also Egyptair has a terrible history with a lot of crashes.
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves really. Here you are already blaming it on Muslims despite there being no evidence of a terrorist attack, or any information about the cause, whilst the families of these 66 people are in agony. May Allah forgive these people and help their families through this tough time. And may he punish those who were responsible for this, if it happens to be the case.
    PRSOM.
    Quite pathetic really. Certain individuals just take advantage of tragedies like this to express their hatred of Islam and Muslims. When hearing of the incident, their first thoughts were probably along the lines of "omg these terrorist Muslims" instead of sparing a thought for the victims and families.
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    (Original post by childofthesun)
    PRSOM.
    Quite pathetic really. Certain individuals just take advantage of tragedies like this to express their hatred of Islam and Muslims. When hearing of the incident, their first thoughts were probably along the lines of "omg these terrorist Muslims" instead of sparing a thought for the victims and families.
    Exactly, finally someone with some sense.
 
 
 
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