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    (Original post by tripleseven)
    Yes it does affect me, and many others, because I'm not rich, not even close, pity that completely contradicts your last post then doesn't it? And yes, I agree with your "lol" at the end there, I base that "lol" on your entire reply which says nothing in the way of an argument.... "lol"
    That was a joke btw, sorry it's just that when people tell me they support a party who blatantly don't care about them, its just like why? I try and be open minded about things, but I seriously cannot see why. Young people are having it harder than ever under the Conservative party, you included...so why? :confused::confused::confused:
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    Both students and immigrants have the potential to work and contribute.

    And ok, I am a "fascist", I feel so terrible now. :/
    despite elderly people working for there whole live they are just cast aside and their savings are still taxed etc
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    Both students and immigrants have the potential to work and contribute.

    And ok, I am a "fascist", I feel so terrible now. :/
    They have the potential, but you can't argue that some don't contribute. There are retired people who work as well, so your argument goes both ways.
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    (Original post by tripleseven)
    I think this is extremely wrong. I understand that the elderly may have a different point of view and you've explained that which is fair enough, in addition to the fact that OP has some arguments in his post worth noting but it should be fair to say that the older generation have worked hard enough and paid their taxes long enough over the years to be able to at least have a say - you can't just dismiss their opinions "because they're old and they have a different opinion to what I think and they might die anyway (as someone else once said, not you I know but you get my point)". They still represent a large part of our society, especially since we are indeed an ageing population, regardless of whether they have a different view or not.
    I totally agree with you.

    But what you are missing is that they have no more long term view of society. It's all short term gains and who the **** cares what happens after.

    Not unlike the bonus structure that in some way promoted the financial crisis.

    Do you think pensioners would rather vote Party A that says spend this money on pensioners getting free train travel and free cinema tickets or on Party B that says spend this money on say renewable energy? No doubt some would pick B, but I dare say most would be influenced enough by the personal benefit of A to vote for A.
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    (Original post by Liquid Cat)
    They have the potential, but you can't argue that some don't contribute. There are retired people who work as well, so your argument goes both ways.
    I did say once people stop working. Not when they reach retirement age.
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    (Original post by The gains kinggg)
    despite elderly people working for there whole live they are just cast aside and their savings are still taxed etc
    That is a completely different matter. And with savings being taxed I assume you mean a wealth tax? Which they would have had to pay before becoming pensioners, too, so they already before had the chance to say something about that.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    they have no more long term view of society. It's all short term gains and who the **** cares what happens after.
    Congratulations! You've just described the average teenager's outlook on life.
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    (Original post by serah.exe)
    i think super old people shouldn't be allowed to vote because it's not their future and they're gonna die anyway
    ... But we need their votes to help balance out the carnage caused by inexperienced young voters who are all about 'togetherness' and so want to remain part of the EU when they don't actually know anything about it.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    I did say once people stop working. Not when they reach retirement age.
    How would you define working, though? What if they were a writer or an artist, or something else that doesn't directly contribute to the country?
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    (Original post by Liquid Cat)
    Congratulations! You've just described the average teenager's outlook on life.
    That is why you need to be 18 to vote.

    But in their case as well is the fact that its stupidity not fact that this is true. If they want to vote for policies that benefit them now but screw them over later, their fault. With old people its that they aren't affected anymore.

    Of course there is the caveat of are pensions save, and they quite rightly should be, so before any of this could even be thought to be implemented one would have to take this into consideration and find a solution.
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    (Original post by Liquid Cat)
    How would you define working, though? What if they were a writer or an artist, or something else that doesn't directly contribute to the country?
    Paying taxes.

    And since when do artists and writers not pay taxes? Or do they all do it for fun, or give their work to charity?
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    (Original post by 5hauna)
    That was a joke btw, sorry it's just that when people tell me they support a party who blatantly don't care about them, its just like why? I try and be open minded about things, but I seriously cannot see why. Young people are having it harder than ever under the Conservative party, you included...so why? :confused::confused::confused:
    It's fine Admittedly, initially I saw the conservatives had potential and some good intentions but some of their recent views and ideas have made me doubt their integrity to be honest... So I see what you mean )

    (Original post by inhuman)
    I totally agree with you.

    But what you are missing is that they have no more long term view of society. It's all short term gains and who the **** cares what happens after.

    Not unlike the bonus structure that in some way promoted the financial crisis.

    Do you think pensioners would rather vote Party A that says spend this money on pensioners getting free train travel and free cinema tickets or on Party B that says spend this money on say renewable energy? No doubt some would pick B, but I dare say most would be influenced enough by the personal benefit of A to vote for A.
    I understand, some can and do have that selfish view and unfortunately, that's natural among some.. but I think a large proportion of the elderly don't think like that at all, they care about the young, why? Because it is us, the younger generation who will take the reigns of what they've done in their lifetime, and on a selfish point of view, supporting their pension and I'm sure a large number will be grateful for that.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    I agree with almost everything you say. In fact your post highlights some the key problems that exist (not just in the UK but my home country, too).

    1. The young have their life to live yet the old decide what's best. That is a huge problem, quite right.

    2. Politicians are idiots. I particularly love your part about May, too funny.

    However, I don't think it is necessary to mention the Tories here. Sure in general older people are more conservative and hence more likely to vote Tory. But let's face it, all politicians are idiots. And that includes Labor.
    Honestly, I disagree that politicians are idiots. You don't get an Oxford degree without being intelligent, educated and hard working. I have no doubt that Theresa May is capable of finding and evaluating scientific evidence. The problem is that they want power, and to get that they have to appeal to the voters. I think, unfortunately, it's the voters that are idiots. Not all of them, of course, but a large enough majority that our government has to act like idiots to appeal to them.
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    Get off your ass go campaign and encourage young people to vote it's our own fault for not going to the polls. I think you really mean to say is that I wish only left wingers were allowed to vote.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    maybe because of increased lead exposure in older generations, but older people are typically less likely to agree with a scientific consensus and less likely to change their views overall. We didn't start believing the Earth was round until older generations died.
    Wrong. The flat earth myth was (as the myth bit suggests) made up. Nobody thought the earth was flat. People who perpetuate the myth that people thought it was are monstrously stupid.

    And I like how you write off an entire generation as mentally ill. Really cool.

    Does that make you feel edgy?


    One day you'll be old too. I hope then you realise how much of a colossal male chicken you sound.
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    Good banter
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    Paying taxes.

    And since when do artists and writers not pay taxes? Or do they all do it for fun, or give their work to charity?
    Let's look at this from a quasi-socialist viewpoint, seeing as you seem to be so enamoured with it. The average worker — a steelworker, say — works all day to produce steel for the government, thus indirectly contributing to the political system. He then goes home and files his tax returns, and in doing so directly contributes to the political system. An author, however, cannot contribute indirectly to the political system by writing books; the only system they truly benefit is the decadent capitalist one through their selling of the books. It follows, then, that authors and other members of the intelligentsia should have fewer political privileges, as they do not contribute to government as much as the proletariat does.
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    (Original post by Liquid Cat)
    Congratulations! You've just described the average teenager's outlook on life.
    Is this the average teenager's outlook though? I had some horribly naive views as a teenager, but I think I put the long-term over the short-term. Younger people generally seem to care much more about the environment, for a start, and that's the single biggest long-term issue we face today.
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    (Original post by Liquid Cat)
    Let's look at this from a quasi-socialist viewpoint, seeing as you seem to be so enamoured with it. The average worker — a steelworker, say — works all day to produce steel for the government, thus indirectly contributing to the political system. He then goes home and files his tax returns, and in doing so directly contributes to the political system. An author, however, cannot contribute indirectly to the political system by writing books; the only system they truly benefit is the decadent capitalist one through their selling of the books. It follows, then, that authors and other members of the intelligentsia should have fewer political privileges, as they do not contribute to government as much as the proletariat does.
    Why do you value steel more than artistic output? It would be a rather bleak world if we all lived in steel buildings without books or paintings.
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    (Original post by tripleseven)
    I understand, some can and do have that selfish view and unfortunately, that's natural among some.. but I think a large proportion of the elderly don't think like that at all, they care about the young, why? Because it is us, the younger generation who will take the reigns of what they've done in their lifetime, and on a selfish point of view, supporting their pension and I'm sure a large number will be grateful for that.
    Would be interesting to find out, for sure. I hope you are right, though I doubt it.

    What we can see is in the Democratic race. The young vote for the Bern while the old vote establishment Hilary. The old vote for the working horse who will do the same thing over again, reliably but boring. The young vote for the stallion, who has ideas, wants to run free and wants to bring about change. And yes, I called Bernie Sanders a stallion :sexface:
 
 
 
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