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    (Original post by cambio wechsel)
    I wonder. From experience, how this bears on the undergraduate experience is often that "this module is unavailable in 15/16 as Professor Fancypants has a Leverhulme research grant/is spending a sabbatical year at UC Berkeley".
    Or is on top of a mountain filming for the BBC.

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    (Original post by stevey396)
    What a load of ********. Surrey, Loughborough and Lancaster at least 20 places too high. How LSE and UCL can be regarded as being below somewhere like Lancaster is outrageous.
    Lancaster has consistently been ranked highly for a few years now so it's no surprise. The Complete University Guide also ranked them above UCL and in the top 10.
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    (Original post by cambio wechsel)
    I wonder. From experience, how this bears on the undergraduate experience is often that "this module is unavailable in 15/16 as Professor Fancypants has a Leverhulme research grant/is spending a sabbatical year at UC Berkeley".
    Fair enough. After all, I hear the Yale prof's are equally keen to visit Surrey
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    (Original post by rosemondtan)
    St Andrews is 3rd??? Surrey and Loughborough are 4th?! Lancaster is 8th?!?!?!?!?! You must be kidding me please don't follow league tables guys it's a load of marketing and bias.
    And the Russell Group isn't about marketing and bias? Yes the Guardian shouldn't be followed, but students should make their minds up when they go visit universities. All types of prestigious groups and league tables should be abolished so each university can compete for students with each other, and gain a reputation in the academic world and not by being part of a group which is no longer accurate or being a 'top 10' according to the Guardian.
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    (Original post by northwestsixth)
    Yes the Guardian shouldn't be followed
    the Guardian should be used for the second sift. When you're deliberating between two universities more or less equally ranked in the Times or the Telegraph, then go to the Guardian to decide how you pick between these two.
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    (Original post by Metrododo)
    Although I hope I will have good lecturers (which they seem to be according to friends in the year above, plus 90+ student satisfaction for my course allegedly) - I care much more about the actual prestige of the Uni and consequently the intrinsic links it has with various industries to help obtain certain graduate jobs.

    Citations/faculty etc may indeed be less directly useful to an undergrad, but having professors that are the top of the field could prove to be a much more enriching experience. Quite frankly, I find that having 3/8 of the criteria for the Guardian rankings being directly linked to satisfaction quite risible - it's an important factor, yes, but it should only be 1/8. Furthermore, most of the academic literature is already available in various papers, textbooks, etc. either online or at the Universities' respective libraries, so a lot of the actual preparation is what you make of it anyway
    The international rankings and citations aren't based on employers opinions of prestige though. They're based on the opinions of academics.

    Much as I admire academics they're pretty much the definition of people who have an extremely narrow, focused experience of the world. The fact is they're in that job because they're experts in an extremely focused area of knowledge. That might not mean they're the best people to take careers advice from unless you're aiming for a career in academia.
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    (Original post by northwestsixth)
    And the Russell Group isn't about marketing and bias? Yes the Guardian shouldn't be followed, but students should make their minds up when they go visit universities. All types of prestigious groups and league tables should be abolished so each university can compete for students with each other, and gain a reputation in the academic world and not by being part of a group which is no longer accurate or being a 'top 10' according to the Guardian.
    Yes, you do have a point there and I don't disagree.
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    (Original post by PQ)
    The international rankings and citations aren't based on employers opinions of prestige though. They're based on the opinions of academics.

    Much as I admire academics they're pretty much the definition of people who have an extremely narrow, focused experience of the world. The fact is they're in that job because they're experts in an extremely focused area of knowledge. That might not mean they're the best people to take careers advice from unless you're aiming for a career in academia.
    Academics actually collaborate with colleagues from other universities and often have a very good idea of which departments/universities are actually good and/or who the competitors are.

    Also the international rankings DO include reputation among employers...
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    I'm surprised no one has mentioned anything about the subject rankings yet...

    I personally was quite surprised in the fall of Durham and Nottingham, and the rise of KCL, in the Law rankings on both the Guardian and Complete University Guide. As always, Oxbridge remained #1 for Law across all the rankings I've seen so far, followed by LSE and UCL..
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    (Original post by Broscientist)
    Also the international rankings DO include reputation among employers...
    Yes QS gives it a massive 10% weighting. Shanghai (ARWU) not at all.

    Which is probably rather more than the weighting employers put on it when they are interviewing you.
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned anything about the subject rankings yet...

    I personally was quite surprised in the fall of Durham and Nottingham, and the rise of KCL, in the Law rankings on both the Guardian and Complete University Guide. As always, Oxbridge remained #1 for Law across all the rankings I've seen so far, followed by LSE and UCL..
    It shows what a gift of 20 million squid will do

    http://www.kcl.ac.uk/newsevents/news...ol-of-Law.aspx
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    (Original post by EconEast)
    Agreed, never said it was a good way of ranking universities; I'd stick to the complete university guide table personally.
    The complete guide is crap aswell. Dont fall for any of them
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned anything about the subject rankings yet...

    I personally was quite surprised in the fall of Durham and Nottingham, and the rise of KCL, in the Law rankings on both the Guardian and Complete University Guide. As always, Oxbridge remained #1 for Law across all the rankings I've seen so far, followed by LSE and UCL..
    Don't forget Greenwich is better than Bristol and Manchester
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    (Original post by Metrododo)
    Such as? And indeed they clearly have a high percentage of grad jobs after 6 months, but are these jobs necessarily as competitive as those obtained by peers at Imperial, LSE, Warwick, UCL, or even KCL? If anything these rankings are mostly a reflection of who's happy at University - hence the abysmal ranking for KCL
    Can't believe your just dismissing happiness as if it isn't important. Also don't assume traditional universities will make it easier for your employment. I know people at KCL many actually can't find a job (politics/history grads) but they are also extremely unhappy people. Kings from what i hear is a lonely place. However friend at Bath due to her uni placement in parliament as a result now has a fantastic job but most importantly had the best 3 years of life with exciting fun people
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    (Original post by peachpetals)
    Can't believe your just dismissing happiness as if it isn't important. Also don't assume traditional universities will make it easier for your employment. I know people at KCL many actually can't find a job (politics/history grads) but they are also extremely unhappy people. Kings from what i hear is a lonely place. However friend at Bath due to her uni placement in parliament as a result now has a fantastic job but most importantly had the best 3 years of life with exciting fun people
    Oh I have many friends at KCL and indeed it is pretty dire and an extreme point, where happiness levels are abysmal; and their careers service is equally terrible. My point was more guided towards UCL, LSE, Imperial that simply don't belong below certain of the Universities in the rankings. But ultimately if you really have trouble making friends there's always opportunities at socials or societies, let alone your course mates
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    (Original post by peachpetals)
    Can't believe your just dismissing happiness as if it isn't important. Also don't assume traditional universities will make it easier for your employment. I know people at KCL many actually can't find a job (politics/history grads) but they are also extremely unhappy people. Kings from what i hear is a lonely place. However friend at Bath due to her uni placement in parliament as a result now has a fantastic job but most importantly had the best 3 years of life with exciting fun people
    It is difficult to generalize. I have friends at Kings who love it, and a number at Bath whom are very disappointed, as Bath promotes the idea that they have "special " connections with companies for internships, when in fact they don't, and many are scrambling to find something, anything, before the deadline.
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    Surprise, surprise... Some universities have been caught manipulating NSS scores. https://www.timeshighereducation.com...ta-reliability

    This is why no one takes student satisfaction seriously even though some people here think it is oh so very important.
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    (Original post by Metrododo)
    Oh I have many friends at KCL and indeed it is pretty dire and an extreme point, where happiness levels are abysmal; and their careers service is equally terrible. My point was more guided towards UCL, LSE, Imperial that simply don't belong below certain of the Universities in the rankings. But ultimately if you really have trouble making friends there's always opportunities at socials or societies, let alone your course mates
    I agree some of those universities definitely shouldn't be ranked as low as they were. It can in fact be harmful as some people will truly believe Loughborough is more prestigious than UCL, LSE etc.
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    (Original post by peachpetals)
    I agree some of those universities definitely shouldn't be ranked as low as they were. It can in fact be harmful as some people will truly believe Loughborough is more prestigious than UCL, LSE etc.
    And that is why, I, as an international student, use international rankings.

    Even though international rankings do not have completely opinionated reviews such as 'happiness', they are highly regarded and is obviously better when you're looking for jobs abroad(I would never want to work in the UK).
    I would believe that employers look at QS, ARWU and THE when comparing applicants. These 3 rankings are highly respcted and highly standardised.

    I've seen uni's jump 20 places in a single year in Brit rankings. What a load of bullsh*t. An employer would be extremely stupid to rely on UK rankings, and so are you guys.

    For student satisfaction, the reason why UCL, LSE and KCL are so low is because most(NOT ALL) of those students are Oxbridge rejects. They had set their standards on Oxbridge, and obviously didn't get in. Now, an Oxbridge minded student would obviously be pissed at a place like UCL. Just a bit of philosophy here.
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    Eh how is Falmouth above Edinburgh and Nottingham?? It's 58th on the Complete University Guide and 21st on here..
 
 
 
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