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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Yes, particularly encompassing the philosphically uneducated - lacking moral courage, not trying to strive for something greater than themselves, merely accepting a system and trying not to die (virtually just animals)
    I'm progressive not backwards, thats all.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    I'm progressive not backwards, thats all.
    Which is why you're voting for a system which privileges white Europeans over the rest of the world, gouges Africa trade-wise, helping to keep them in poverty, and unfairly taxes tampons (a fairly major feminist issue)

    Okay.
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    I was expecting a globalist post from a Canadian. I agree with it totally, more people should see what a chance this is and how oppressive and in favour of only the few not the many it is to remain.
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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    It eats away at your sovereignty
    I don't care at all about Britain's sovereignty. Nationalism belongs to the past.

    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    your identity
    Really? How?

    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    and castrates your economic and democratic freedom.
    No. Our economy is far better off inside the EU - that's what the banks, the IMF, the IFS, and 90% of economists believe. As for democratic freedom, I'm perfectly happy with the EU forcing us to maintain sustainable environmental policies and workers' rights.

    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    Now you're being given what will probably be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to leave.
    This "it's once-in-a-lifetime" is a scare tactic, nothing more. There's no reason there can't be another referendum (but there shouldn't be, and this one shouldn't have been called either).

    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    Will there be economic repercussions? Probably
    "Definitely" is the word you're looking for

    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    but Britain is a strong nation, with strong diplomatic ties outside of Europe.
    Nobody has argued that Britain would collapse if we left.

    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    See this as an opportunity to start something fresh, to build beyond Europe, and win back some pride.
    Who's pride? The Canadians? My level of pride in the UK is fine as it is.

    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    What great nation can't even determine most of its own economic policies, control its own borders, or decide some of the most basic things about products and services?
    Every other EU member-state, lol.

    This "great nation, strong Britain" stuff is just nationalistic rhetoric, designed to make people emotional. If everyone votes rationally in this referendum, instead of emotionally, it will be a landslide win for Remain.
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Which is why you're voting for a system which privileges white Europeans over the rest of the world, gouges Africa trade-wise, helping to keep them in poverty, and unfairly taxes tampons (a fairly major feminist issue)

    Okay.
    This is deep embedded in them. There's something that really makes me feel so ****ing offended by a Pole and knows nothing much of our country or history(or it's link with every ethnicity)who has been here a few months telling a black British person with links going back generations, that

    a)This is Europe(actually it is geographically distinct, ludicrously I've heard remain people say we are 'on the European continent like it or not' or some such rubbish'(Yes, like the EU has secured peace in Europe for 70 years, err Bosnia anyone?)
    b)Go home to where you come from.

    That's how we will be regarded, an offshore island colony of a vague morass, that has never attained our heights culturally or liberty wise or power wise or scientifically/intellectually, that defines itself through whiteness and regards itself as 'Europe', UK it's offshore territory and belonging to Europeans (whites), Not Brits, (white, black or whatever)
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Why should someone who has been unemployed long term and done nothing but be a parasite, have any say in politics that will affect businesses and workers? They're just going to vote for whatever gets them the most benefits for the least work at the behest of people who do contribute.
    Wait - did you change your post?

    I read it as "if only youngsters were not able to vote".

    If not, you're not entirely wrong on this point indeed.
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    (Original post by StrangeBanana)
    I don't care at all about Britain's sovereignty.
    And just like that, your opinion becomes invalid
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Which is why you're voting for a system which privileges white Europeans over the rest of the world, gouges Africa trade-wise, helping to keep them in poverty, and unfairly taxes tampons (a fairly major feminist issue)

    Okay.
    Like I said before, better reforming EU than leaving it to rot.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Like I said before, better reforming EU than leaving it to rot.
    Not even with yhe threat of Brexit were they willing to reform. It'll seperate once we withdraw - loads of other EU nations want out too. We're just the first to have the guts to say "This isn't right."
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Not even with yhe threat of Brexit were they willing to reform. It'll seperate once we withdraw - loads of other EU nations want out too. We're just the first to have the guts to say "This isn't right."
    I'm not pro-EU but also not a backwards person, wait for Europe to go right-wing as its on the rise and it'll flip. I'm all for United States of Europe with state rights etc like USA, not a European superstate.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    I'm not pro-EU but also not a backwards person, wait for Europe to go right-wing as its on the rise and it'll flip. I'm all for United States of Europe with state rights etc like USA, not a European superstate.
    The EU is causing the rise of the far right.
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    The EU is causing the rise of the far right.
    I know.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Well I'm centre-wing not left or right but I agree its one of the best socialist systems but sometimes democracy isn't best as not everyone who votes is actually educated.
    True as your AIDS ridden post shows


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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    I've been watching the Brexit debate unfold from "across the pond" with great interest (a lot of us have, actually). As someone who lived in the UK for a while, I see it as a second home. Therefore I find myself with an emotional stake in this.
    A distinguished Canadian living here has a different opinion:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...exit-live.html

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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Not even with yhe threat of Brexit were they willing to reform. It'll seperate once we withdraw - loads of other EU nations want out too. We're just the first to have the guts to say "This isn't right."
    The people who go on about reforming the EU are the most uneducated idiots on the EU!!

    If it were reformable it would have been done!!!


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    (Original post by paul514)
    True as your AIDS ridden post shows


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    Who are you?
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Who are you?
    An alien from out of space..... I'm another forum user and that's all you need to know


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    (Original post by EuanF)
    And just like that, your opinion becomes invalid
    "my opinion differs to yours, therefore it is invalid"
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    (Original post by StrangeBanana)
    I don't care at all about Britain's sovereignty. Nationalism belongs to the past.



    Really? How?



    No. Our economy is far better off inside the EU - that's what the banks, the IMF, the IFS, and 90% of economists believe. As for democratic freedom, I'm perfectly happy with the EU forcing us to maintain sustainable environmental policies and workers' rights.



    This "it's once-in-a-lifetime" is a scare tactic, nothing more. There's no reason there can't be another referendum (but there shouldn't be, and this one shouldn't have been called either).



    "Definitely" is the word you're looking for



    Nobody has argued that Britain would collapse if we left.



    Who's pride? The Canadians? My level of pride in the UK is fine as it is.



    Every other EU member-state, lol.

    This "great nation, strong Britain" stuff is just nationalistic rhetoric, designed to make people emotional. If everyone votes rationally in this referendum, instead of emotionally, it will be a landslide win for Remain.
    So you would rather the UK remain - and likely be assimilated further - into a system where it has little to no say in its own economic policies? Where unelected beurocrats decide what's best for you? Where you aren't even allowed to organise your own trade deals with continents who's nation's economies aren't stagnating like the EU?

    By the way, that web survey of 'Economists' included students, and had something like a 17% response rate.

    The referendum shouldn't have been called? Yeah, screw the people having a choice! Afterall:

    "We are the EU. Lower your shields and surrender your fishing ships. We will add your economic and national distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    So you would rather the UK remain - and likely be assimilated further - into a system where it has little to no say in its own economic policies? Where unelected beurocrats decide what's best for you? Where you aren't even allowed to organise your own trade deals with continents who's nation's economies aren't stagnating like the EU?
    There's nothing which will force us to be "assimilated further". We have plenty of say in our economic policy. Most of the bureaucrats* are elected. The economic benefits of our membership outweigh the trade regulations.

    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    By the way, that web survey of 'Economists' included students, and had something like a 17% response rate.
    No, it didn't include students. According to this page, it was sent to "non-student members of the Royal Economic Society and the Society of Business Economists". You are correct about the 17% response rate.

    Even if you want to disregard the study entirely, we still have the banks, the IMF and IFS screaming about the economic damage if Britain leaves. Why do you ignore them?

    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    The referendum shouldn't have been called? Yeah, screw the people having a choice!
    Yes, screw them. This is far too important a decision to be left to the uninformed masses.

    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    Afterall:

    "We are the EU. Lower your shields and surrender your fishing ships. We will add your economic and national distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
    Hohoho. ^^
 
 
 
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