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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Increase in zero hour contracts, increase in agency type jobs.

    The EU guarantees equal pay, maternity and paternity leave, paid holidays, sick pay, limits the hours which employees can be made to work etc.


    The Tories on the other hand have been doing all they can to take on the unions and reduce their influence to protect workers rights.

    I find it laughable that you trust Farage and johnson to protect and ensure workers rights.
    In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever that their aim with the referendum is to change said laws, just the normal hatred for "Tories", many of whom are actively campaigning against Brexit.
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever that their aim with the referendum is to change said laws, just the normal hatred for "Tories", many of whom are actively campaigning against Brexit.
    Actually it's not at all against the Tories. I've been a huge fan of David Cameron in this referendum. In case you didn't realise, he's a Tory.


    I have given you evidence, of all the ways in which the current government has aimed to curb workers rights, through the increase in zero hour contracts and agency work, an increase in unpaid internships and by reducing the unions powers.

    Without the EU who knows what they'd attack next.

    I'd rather not leave workers rights in the hands of right wing Tories.
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    Remainers speak with logic, and not from their emotions.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Actually it's not at all against the Tories. I've been a huge fan of David Cameron in this referendum. In case you didn't realise, he's a Tory.


    I have given you evidence, of all the ways in which the current government has aimed to curb workers rights, through the increase in zero hour contracts and agency work, an increase in unpaid internships and by reducing the unions powers.

    Without the EU who knows what they'd attack next.

    I'd rather not leave workers rights in the hands of right wing Tories.
    You realise who heads the government, don't you? You have nothing solid on the leave camp so you resort to general attacks against Tories to defend a lame excuse for opposing Brexit.

    Workers rights won't be on anybody's hands for long. After a period of time, there will be a chance to change the government, a possibility which can be given away forever by backing remain.
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    You realise who heads the government, don't you? You have nothing solid on the leave camp so you resort to general attacks against Tories to defend a lame excuse for opposing Brexit.

    Workers rights won't be on anybody's hands for long. After a period of time, there will be a chance to change the government, a possibility which can be given away forever by backing remain.
    I agree with Cameron on the EU. I don't want him or any of his government to have full control over workers rights.

    The leave campaign have made a baby of scaremongering and lying now though tbf.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Nothing to do with what I said.
    Really, because you seemed to be trying to say that leaving the EU would made travelling to Europe harder because we need to get in the other queue, just like when we go anywhere outside the EU.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Really, because you seemed to be trying to say that leaving the EU would made travelling to Europe harder because we need to get in the other queue, just like when we go anywhere outside the EU.
    Well, get in the other queue. Reapplying for a new Visa. Getting questioned at the border. etc.

    Why are we going through this again? You think it isn't a big deal. I do. I travel about 10 times a year in the EU, so I don't want to wait an hour at immigration instead of just flashing my passport. I then don't want to reapply for a Visa 180 days later and wait 4 hours outside immigration at 5am.
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    (Original post by TimeTravel_0)
    Remainers speak with logic, and not from their emotions.
    Well if you are yourself a Remainer then that comment means precisely nothing. Everyone, socialist, conservative, Eurosceptic, Europhile, liberal, green, fascist etc etc believes they have logic on their side.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Well, get in the other queue. Reapplying for a new Visa. Getting questioned at the border. etc.

    Why are we going through this again? You think it isn't a big deal. I do. I travel about 10 times a year in the EU, so I don't want to wait an hour at immigration instead of just flashing my passport. I then don't want to reapply for a Visa 180 days later and wait 4 hours outside immigration at 5am.
    Believe me, this wouldn't really be an issue for tourists and business travellers.

    We were members of the EU for 20 years before separate immigration lines and separate customs channels for EU citizens came in. Then it was another 10-15 years before the Schengen border was introduced meaning separate circulations for arriving passengers from the UK compared with those from other EU countries.

    I am not aware of any then EU country requiring visas for British holidaymakers and business people on short trips at any time before we joined the EU.

    This is part politicking over Brexit
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    You lot seem pretty educated on this stuff so tell me, how true is it that if we remain, the EU will force all member nations' armed forces to join together in a super-army? And that the EU would only tell us of this after the referendum?

    I've heard both sides, that it is imminent for the EU to pull this evil dictator move, but also that this is just scaremongering to frighten Brits into leaving. Which is it??
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    (Original post by Millie-3)
    You lot seem pretty educated on this stuff so tell me, how true is it that if we remain, the EU will force all member nations' armed forces to join together in a super-army? And that the EU would only tell us of this after the referendum?

    I've heard both sides, that it is imminent for the EU to pull this evil dictator move, but also that this is just scaremongering to frighten Brits into leaving. Which is it??
    There's no forcing, there are at least eleven states who actually want it. The 2011 referendum act includes this as something sufficient to cause a referendum in the UK.
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    I think remain will win, mainly by the encouragement of voters who are not British and living here temporarily to vote, the Irish pissed me off the other day with their entitled tone, I would never dream of talking like that in Ireland, the yanks, and remains side British piss me off too, with their demands of who we listen to. Most patriots with more of an emotional investment want Brexit. I also am fond of France and for their sake I want them to leave as well. They are perfectly capable. But I'm definitely not defeatist, I think Brexit are in with a good chance and I'm not giving up on it at all. Everyone who believes really needs to go and vote. Such a chance.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Well, get in the other queue. Reapplying for a new Visa. Getting questioned at the border. etc.

    Why are we going through this again? You think it isn't a big deal. I do. I travel about 10 times a year in the EU, so I don't want to wait an hour at immigration instead of just flashing my passport. I then don't want to reapply for a Visa 180 days later and wait 4 hours outside immigration at 5am.
    Oh, so you're one of these fools that seriously thinks we will need a visa, and do you not travel outside the EU much, or pay attention to the other queue (or is it only us that are sensible and have the other queue far more heavily manned)?

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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I think remain will win, mainly by the encouragement of voters who are not British and living here temporarily to vote, the Irish pissed me off the other day with their entitled tone, I would never dream of talking like that in Ireland, the yanks, and remains side British piss me off too, with their demands of who we listen to. Most patriots with more of an emotional investment want Brexit. I also am fond of France and for their sake I want them to leave as well. They are perfectly capable. But I'm definitely not defeatist, I think Brexit are in with a good chance and I'm not giving up on it at all. Everyone who believes really needs to go and vote. Such a chance.
    You mean remain will win on the back of the votes of people who can't bote (I don't expect many people from RoI to be voting, nor the Commonwealth who should be voting to leave anyway)

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You mean remain will win on the back of the votes of people who can't bote (I don't expect many people from RoI to be voting, nor the Commonwealth who should be voting to leave anyway)

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    Non British people who've moved and work here can vote right?
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Well, get in the other queue. Reapplying for a new Visa. Getting questioned at the border. etc.

    Why are we going through this again? You think it isn't a big deal. I do. I travel about 10 times a year in the EU, so I don't want to wait an hour at immigration instead of just flashing my passport. I then don't want to reapply for a Visa 180 days later and wait 4 hours outside immigration at 5am.
    I mean, I've traveled all over the world for work and the extra 10 seconds taken for my passport to get stamped has never caused a delay to my journey's before.

    The only places I have ever experienced anything I could consider a delay are Australia and America who have you fill in entry forms, and I think it unlikely that this is going to be introduced as a new requirement specifically for the UK.

    I would understand your argument if we suddenly needed a passport whereas we didn't before, but this is not the case.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Non British people who've moved and work here can vote right?
    Nope, except where there is an error, it's the GE rules so Irish, British, or Commonwealth.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Oh, so you're one of these fools that seriously thinks we will need a visa, and do you not travel outside the EU much, or pay attention to the other queue (or is it only us that are sensible and have the other queue far more heavily manned)?

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    Well, you are going to need to apply for a Visa after 180 days and etc.....don't think the UK will be the only country in the world to have that exception.

    I don't know what the other queue has to do with what I Said.
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    (Original post by Elivercury)
    I mean, I've traveled all over the world for work and the extra 10 seconds taken for my passport to get stamped has never caused a delay to my journey's before.

    The only places I have ever experienced anything I could consider a delay are Australia and America who have you fill in entry forms, and I think it unlikely that this is going to be introduced as a new requirement specifically for the UK.

    I would understand your argument if we suddenly needed a passport whereas we didn't before, but this is not the case.
    Well, my argument was that it was a combination of things. That would include reapplying for Visas and etc.
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    The bookies have it as about 70% chance of YES winning..
    These odds are pretty much based on what working class people up north place their bets on.
    So you know what they are going to vote already.
 
 
 
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