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    (Original post by Lionel Hutzz)
    I'm guessing you're one of these wannabe gangstas would be such a shame if you were shot dead hahahah
    The comment of a really nice person for sure 👍
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    (Original post by stevey396)
    Nothing wrong with the BNP - what they say makes a lot more sense than the commies (Labour) and the hippies (Greens).
    You do realise BNP economic policy is more left-wing than Labour, even under Corbyn.
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    (Original post by rxns_00)
    "Leave the EU and take back control of our borders" I'm not going to even elaborate on this. You can see where my vote stands.
    This is one that actually makes sense, though. Free movement within Europe essentially precludes the ability to control what sort of person comes into this country from the continent.
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    (Original post by dairychocolate)
    This is one that actually makes sense, though. Free movement within Europe essentially precludes the ability to control what sort of person comes into this country from the continent.
    Right you can have a say in this in the EU referendum but I'm really not willing to discuss this, arguments for both sides are available on the Internet and it's just a pointless back and forth discussion.

    That's your stance but I clearly have liberal views and therefore support free movement across EU as the very necessary checks are in place anyway
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    (Original post by rxns_00)
    Right you can have a say in this in the EU referendum but I'm really not willing to discuss this, arguments for both sides are available on the Internet and it's just a pointless back and forth discussion.

    That's your stance but I clearly have liberal views and therefore support free movement across EU as the very necessary checks are in place anyway
    I'm liberal myself but that doesn't mean I have to support free movement.

    I'm a child of immigrants and am pro-immigration but it needs to be controlled and structured in a way that allows us to ensure that those we invite into the country bring skills or resources we desire and that the numbers we invite can be suitably accommodated and catered for, while simultaneously allowing for integration.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    You do realise BNP economic policy is more left-wing than Labour, even under Corbyn.
    Fascist economic policy is more like feudalism.
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    (Original post by tom476zf)
    i bet you're one of those people that think 'immigrants are coming over here and taking our jobs!' pahaha is so please get a basic grasp of global economics before you spout your racist views.
    oh and btw theres no such thing as 'white racism' only prejudice, as the word 'racist' has meaning behind it due to years of black persecution. this does not apply to white people, in other words its impossible to actually be racist towards a white person.
    This is the disgraceful sort of rubbish that proves what a self loathing mess a lot of the electorate is! Whites are the victim of the vast majority of racial prejudice in the UK (grooming, muslim conversion groups).
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Fascist economic policy is more like feudalism.
    How so, I think it's pretty much the opposite of feudalism. Can't see where you're coming from there...
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    (Original post by Bizzyqueen)
    Troll away until your heart's content. I'm out of here.

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    Not trolling its just my opinions , sorry if I offended you
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    How so, I think it's pretty much the opposite of feudalism. Can't see where you're coming from there...
    How is a system where if I try and make a union that demands some kind of worker control for the proletariat gets me thrown in a concentration camp left wing? Unions are basis for which the working class can defend its class interest. It you can't do that then it certainly isn't socialist. You may as well say China is socialist.

    In feudalism the lord and his peasants enter a contract. The Lord basically own the peasants and the land they work. The Lord looks after the peasants but he owns the peasants. Fascism is basically that but in an industrial setting. It has nothing to do with socialism. Socialism is everything to do with worker self autonomy in the economy. Fascists regimes put workers trying to exercise self autonomy up against the wall for a firing squad.

    I'm not a serf and I'm not going to desecrate all the (mass) graves of working class people who thought against fascism by pretending fascist economics is somehow socialist.

    I think you are confusion any sense of collectivisation with left wing. I'd rather neoliberal economics than fascist economics.

    "Both the Left and the Right have advocated forms of collectivism. The word fascism derives from its symbolic use of the fasces of Ancient Rome, with rods bound together to signify collective strength. Fascism subjected individualism to the collective whole. Similarly, nationalism extols the nation over the individual. If you insist that collectivism is Left, be warned that fascism and nationalism also incline in the same collectivist direction."

    http://newpolitics.apps-1and1.net/th...left-and-right
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    How is a system where if I try and make a union that demands some kind of worker control for the proletariat gets me thrown in a concentration camp left wing? Unions are basis for which the working class can defend its class interest. It you can't do that then it certainly isn't socialist. You may as well say China is socialist.

    In feudalism the lord and his peasants enter a contract. The Lord basically own the peasants and the land they work. The Lord looks after the peasants but he owns the peasants. Fascism is basically that but in an industrial setting. It has nothing to do with socialism. Socialism is everything to do with worker self autonomy in the economy. Fascists regimes put workers trying to exercise self autonomy up against the wall for a firing squad.

    I'm not a serf and I'm not going to desecrate all the (mass) graves of working class people who thought against fascism by pretending fascist economics is somehow socialist.

    I think you are confusion any sense of collectivisation with left wing. I'd rather neoliberal economics than fascist economics.

    "Both the Left and the Right have advocated forms of collectivism. The word fascism derives from its symbolic use of the fasces of Ancient Rome, with rods bound together to signify collective strength. Fascism subjected individualism to the collective whole. Similarly, nationalism extols the nation over the individual. If you insist that collectivism is Left, be warned that fascism and nationalism also incline in the same collectivist direction."

    http://newpolitics.apps-1and1.net/th...left-and-right
    Then this is a left-wing argument, statist fascism versus worker democracy. Left-wing means planned or regulated economy, neither of these things are liberal economics are they?

    Class interest is Marxist really, not socialist. I think you can be socialist without being Marxist in the sense that you see everything as a class struggle. Fascism from what I can tell tends to be like "ein Volk", there are no classes recognised and everyone is subject in usually a vaguely militaristic way to the state. As you say they are not allowed to form their own associations because the theory goes that the state has their well-being and solvency covered as long as everyone shuts up and gets on with their allotted role quietly.

    I now see where your comparison with feudalism is coming from but I don't think it's meaningful to call it feudalism when there is only one "manor", i.e. the state.

    "If you insist that collectivism is Left, be warned that fascism and nationalism also incline in the same collectivist direction."

    Yes absolutely, that's why I said the BNP's economic policies were pretty left-wing. They are a fascist party, fascism is economically left-wing and that means socioeconomically collectivist.

    As far as I can see the main advantage of fascism is a fascist state is very good at running infrastructure and strategic industries, the trains run on time as the famous quote goes. It's far from my favourite type of left-wing which would be more Green Party/Bernie Sanders direction but it's got some good stuff going for it. Of course we see the moderate version a lot around the world and in the post-war settlement but it is usually called statism or dirigisme or state capitalism.

    I will say I have never quite understood why it has to come with ethnic nationalism as part of the package. Maybe because the Nazis cast such a long shadow culturally that most people in fascist parties are in it for the historical re-enactment rather than the underlying philosophies.
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    (Original post by Lionel Hutzz)
    Well I obviously don't say that to them haha. I think politics is a bit over their heads they aren't the brightest
    Well considering your comments on here, then they don't appear to be far off the mark. I highly doubt you will get them to change their opinion of you.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Well considering your comments on here, then they don't appear to be far off the mark. I highly doubt you will get them to change their opinion of you.
    How so ?
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    (Original post by Lionel Hutzz)
    It doesn't bother me particularly just says a lot about them how uneducated they are to support left wing moronic views.
    If it doesnt bother you, then why make the sad face and what was the point of the thread?
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    If it doesnt bother you, then why make the sad face and what was the point of the thread?
    It doesn't bother me they are uneducated and don't understand but it does bother me they are trying to influence her decision and take some sort of moral high ground
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    (Original post by Lionel Hutzz)
    I still hold the views but I am no longer a member of the party as I know the leader personally as he is from near Darlington which is where I'm from and think he's taking the party in the wrong direction.
    Perhaps their instincts about you is that you myst have held views they found objectionable before you joined the BNP and their hunch would be that , even though you left you might still have affinity for those views.

    That hunch would appear to be correct.
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    (Original post by Lionel Hutzz)
    Tbf my parents are UKIP voters .
    My Dad is a policemen
    Mum is a headteacher
    Stepdad a dentist


    They aren't bothered and fully supported me when I was involved in the BNP. It shouldn't matter to her parents either.
    Her parents have different ideals and values to them ofc it matters if their daughter is dating someone who has objectionable views. How old are you both?
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Her parents have different ideals and values to them ofc it matters if their daughter is dating someone who has objectionable views. How old are you both?
    I'm 25 and shes 23 which is why it's utterly ridiculous for them to be getting involved
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    (Original post by Lionel Hutzz)
    Yes because non Brits often are involved with gangs and crime. It's well known that Africans and Caribbean people are highly represented in criminal activity in Britain.
    What do you mean by Non Brits? Is that non whites or non indigenous whites?
    How far do you go back to say someone is indigenous whites? Celtic Britains?
    There are many reasons why people from ethnic minoritiesare more represented for certain crimes and caucasians are overrepresented in other crimes. Its pretty simplistic just to go on someones skin colour without looking at the underlying factors.
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    (Original post by Lionel Hutzz)
    How so ?
    They have formed a view about toy based on the political party you were a member of andwhat they think it says about you. They judged you as not being a good thing for their daughter or a person they want around.

    From what you pisted on here you do hold views consistent with the party you were in, its just you arent a card carrying member, so it appears their hunch is correct. Its your views and values they find objectionable whether you were still a member of the BNP or not. I cant see you winning them over, as I doubt it would take much digging for your biews to come out.
 
 
 
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