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3 Relocated Refugees Sexually Assault a 14-Year-Old Girl in a Park in Newcastle watch

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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Rapefugees aren't welcome.


    Please don't.
    'Rapefugees'?
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    This is going to happen a whole lot more in the future, especially if we remain in the EU. So don't go scratching your heads wondering what happened, you have been warned repeatedly and chose to ignore it. You "anti-fascist" fascists are directly responsible for this.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    God, you're thick. :facepalm:

    THE POLICE DON'T CARE ABOUT RAPE IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
    And as I just pointed out, they dont seem to care very much about it in the UK either. I know its comforting to believe "we're Good, they're Bad", but there comes a point where you need to grow up.
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    (Original post by irfan98)
    And as I just pointed out, they dont seem to care very much about it in the UK either. I know its comforting to believe "we're Good, they're Bad", but there comes a point where you need to grow up.
    Can you find me a single occurrence of a rape victim that was prosecuted for indecency or adultery in the UK?
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Can you find me a single occurrence of a rape victim that was prosecuted for indecency or adultery in the UK?
    You said the "police don't care about rape" in Muslim countries. I just presented you with statistics from the University of Sussex which show that 70-90% of rapes go unreported in the UK, and 94% of rape cases don't end in conviction. You have yet to reply.
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    If they are found guilty we should drop them right in the middle of ISIS controlled territory and let them rot.
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    (Original post by ZakiTheTory)
    If they are found guilty we should drop them right in the middle of ISIS controlled territory and let them rot.
    We cant deport them to a warzone so they're here to stay.
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    (Original post by irfan98)
    You said the "police don't care about rape" in Muslim countries. I just presented you with statistics from the University of Sussex which show that 70-90% of rapes go unreported in the UK, and 94% of rape cases don't end in conviction. You have yet to reply.
    Do you have the same stats for Muslim countries?

    Rapes are still underreported in Western countries, but it's much better than in Muslim countries, where they are not reported at all.
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    (Original post by TSR Mustafa)
    idk where this sexual perversion comes from?

    Animals have better self control , not even self control what kind of sick prick finds a 14 year old attractive.

    in islamic cultures they dont share the idea of age limits as in other parts of the world. didnt mohammed find aisha attractive at 9 y/o or something - its jsut in that culture is something that they do. in other (non islamic) parts of asia, europe etc - the minimum age for sex is 16 or 18.
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    (Original post by Chakede)
    in islamic cultures they dont share the idea of age limits as in other parts of the world. didnt mohammed find aisha attractive at 9 y/o or something - its jsut in that culture is something that they do. in other (non islamic) parts of asia, europe etc - the minimum age for sex is 16 or 18.
    The minimum age at the moment is between 16-18 on average for males and females in most Muslim countries.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Do you have the same stats for Muslim countries?

    Rapes are still underreported in Western countries, but it's much better than in Muslim countries, where they are not reported at all.
    Yeah, I have no doubt that rapes are reported much less in countries where there is a stigma attached compared to countries where there is not such a large stigma. However, you say "Muslim countries" - what, all Muslim countries? Indonesia? Jordan? Turkey? Also, are many Christian countries much better - Central African Republic? Uganda? Eritrea?

    On another note, one of Britain's worst paedophiles, Richard Huckle, was recently sentenced to 22 life sentences after being found guilty of sexually abusing up to 200 poor children in Malaysia. Perhaps Malaysia should respond by banning all tourism from the UK? There must be something wrong with the culture here, after all...
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    (Original post by DeathGuardElite)
    I'm from Newcastle and i feel we should protect our own, the state has failed its people so should not be followed, even if we regain control of immigration the b****** are still here and should be shown no mercy.
    So not even individuals then given a fair trial, just lump them all together? You should be proud.
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    (Original post by TSR Mustafa)
    The minimum age at the moment is between 16-18 on average for males and females in most Muslim countries.
    in mecca where islamic law holds - marriage age of consent for a female was 14 until international pressure pushed it to 18 in 2013. but still the age for sex is undetermined and in islamic law men can have sex with a 14 y/o if they wish
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    (Original post by physicsphysics91)
    Three Syrian men have appeared in court accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl in a park in Newcastle. Omar Badreddin, 18, Mohammed Alfrouh, 20, and Mohammad Allakkoud, 18, have pleaded not guilty. A 16-year-old-boy, understood to be Syrian, has also been charged with sexual assault. It is not known if he has entered a plea yet.

    Mr Badreddin came to the UK from Jordan last November under the government's refugee resettlement programme. He and his family were judged to be vulnerable by the UN refugee agency. The three adults charged in connection with the alleged incident on 10 May have been released on bail.

    Sickening. I really hope we vote LEAVE and regain control of immigration.
    Sharia Law would stone them to death. Give all geordies a stone and let them deal out justice.

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    (Original post by irfan98)
    You said the "police don't care about rape" in Muslim countries. I just presented you with statistics from the University of Sussex which show that 70-90% of rapes go unreported in the UK, and 94% of rape cases don't end in conviction. You have yet to reply.
    where is the link you posted for this please?
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    (Original post by philo-jitsu)
    where is the link you posted for this please?
    *University of Surrey: http://www.surrey.ac.uk/mediacentre/...conviction.htm
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    Thanks, I just wanted to double check what the stats you posted in your previous post had to do with police 'not caring' about rape.

    The 70-90% is of unreported cases which is nothing to do with police, and the 94% of cases not leading to conviction has numerous variables, the majority of which have little to do with police and more to do with laws, lack of evidence, fear of being a witness or taking the stand or the fact that some cases are not rape or are false.

    The 50-66% being dropped by police is the only stat directly associated to police, and you've got to bare in mind that some cases are likely dropped due to lack of evidence (intoxicated or dark so suspect difficult to find) also while I'm not saying this is the majority, there are many cases of false rape happening which while not as bad as actual rape, they are extremely damaging to the individual who is falsely accused. When you apply that to the stat of 50-66% the amount of cases being dropped due to supposed 'not caring' is far lower than any of the percentages you posted.

    Stats are useful but they have to be interpreted carefully when using them in a discussion.
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    (Original post by philo-jitsu)
    Thanks, I just wanted to double check what the stats you posted in your previous post had to do with police 'not caring' about rape.

    The 70-90% is of unreported cases which is nothing to do with police, and the 94% of cases not leading to conviction has numerous variables, the majority of which have little to do with police and more to do with laws, lack of evidence, fear of being a witness or taking the stand or the fact that some cases are not rape or are false.

    The 50-66% being dropped by police is the only stat directly associated to police, and you've got to bare in mind that some cases are likely dropped due to lack of evidence (intoxicated or dark so suspect difficult to find) also while I'm not saying this is the majority, there are many cases of false rape happening which while not as bad as actual rape, they are extremely damaging to the individual who is falsely accused. When you apply that to the stat of 50-66% the amount of cases being dropped due to supposed 'not caring' is far lower than any of the percentages you posted.

    Stats are useful but they have to be interpreted carefully when using them in a discussion.
    The following quotes are from the link I posted:

    "They assembled a group of international academics to review current research findings relating to the problem of ‘attrition’ – when victims are reluctant to report rape in the first instance, police choose not to pursue cases, prosecutors drop referred cased before trial, and jurors prefer to acquit than find defendants guilty".

    "The group found that there was a vicious cycle of public attitudes towards rape which ultimately led to these low levels of conviction. For the vast majority, the ‘stranger in the bushes with a knife’ story is the only one that constitutes ‘real rape’. When discussing or considering incidents that don’t conform to the stereotype, people often blame the victim – for example presuming that women provoke rape through their appearance, implying that they exaggerate assault behaviour, exonerating perpetrators by agreeing that once a man is aroused he is unable to rationally control his actions, and suggest that only women who frequent bars or get drunk - get raped".

    “What people do not realise is that more often than not the victim knows their attacker and the assault takes place without visible injury. If people were aware of facts like these more victims may report their assault and juries may be less likely to acquit defendants in court, and as a result more criminals would be convicted.”

    All of this points towards a cultural and institutional acceptance of rape, or at the very least casual dismissal of the victims. In particular, the revelations that "when victims are reluctant to report rape in the first instance, police choose not to pursue cases, prosecutors drop referred cased before trial, and jurors prefer to acquit than find defendants guilty" should be treated with alarm. I think all of this shows that in the West we are not as superior as we would perhaps like to think we are.
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    To think there isnt a problem would be foolish i completely agree....but there is also a problem that seems to be growing with people being falsely accused of rape.

    Additionally while our culture/legal system is by no means perfect, i think that the people who were comparing the countires with which the majority of refugees come from, with our country were more than correct in there assumption that our culture/ legal system, while not perfect is decades ahead of any of the countries where these refugees are coming from....do you disagree?

    Alot of people use this response (our country isnt perfect) to take away from the fact that the countries these refugees are coming from have far lesser evolved beliefs, particularly when it comes to equality with woman/sexual preferences.

    I also believe people who are anti immigration are always accused of hating migrants, i am well aware of migrants role in making our country what it is, i just believe bringing in poor low skilled migrants just produces more segregation.

    As theyre low skilled (not there fault) they end up in low income areas which due to low job prospects makes crime a more attractive prospect. Additionally you get small areas with large amounts of migrants, so as they interact with there own culture of people they never integrate with british culture. Which leads to culture clashes on both sides.

    By all means bring in migrants, but bring in migrants who can actually integrate, and flourish, not migrants who will take low paid jobs thereby lowering the value of british job markets and its economy in the long run.
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    (Original post by philo-jitsu)
    To think there isnt a problem would be foolish i completely agree....but there is also a problem that seems to be growing with people being falsely accused of rape.

    Additionally while our culture/legal system is by no means perfect, i think that the people who were comparing the countires with which the majority of refugees come from, with our country were more than correct in there assumption that our culture/ legal system, while not perfect is decades ahead of any of the countries where these refugees are coming from....do you disagree?

    Alot of people use this response (our country isnt perfect) to take away from the fact that the countries these refugees are coming from have far lesser evolved beliefs, particularly when it comes to equality with woman/sexual preferences.

    I also believe people who are anti immigration are always accused of hating migrants, i am well aware of migrants role in making our country what it is, i just believe bringing in poor low skilled migrants just produces more segregation.

    As theyre low skilled (not there fault) they end up in low income areas which due to low job prospects makes crime a more attractive prospect. Additionally you get small areas with large amounts of migrants, so as they interact with there own culture of people they never integrate with british culture. Which leads to culture clashes on both sides.

    By all means bring in migrants, but bring in migrants who can actually integrate, and flourish, not migrants who will take low paid jobs thereby lowering the value of british job markets and its economy in the long run.
    First of all, on the point about our culture/legal system being decades ahead of the countries where refugees are fleeing from, I think it very much depends. Obviously, in terms of internal freedoms and women's rights and areas such as that, we're a lot more advanced by any standard. However, it's also important to remember that fundamentalist Muslim countries don't invade and occupy lots of other countries for a decade the way that we do, nor do they imprison people without charges and torture them in secret prisons all over the world or send drones to other countries to kill their innocent men, women and children. Also, it's important to remember that we're propping up many of the most extreme, fundamentalist regimes in Muslim countries, and so you cannot entirely separate out our so-called Western values from their so-called Third World values.

    Secondly, when you talk about migrants clashing with 'British culture', I don't think there is any objective 'British culture'. What would you define British culture as? Whatever your definition is, it's bound to conflict with another British person's definition. Culture is not something fixed and unchanging, but something fluid and ever-changing in my opinion. That's what is beautiful about British culture - it is a mix of many different cultures, past and present, and this makes life so much more varied and interesting.

    Thirdly, I think the crucial point is that we have a moral responsibility for many of the refugees currently entering Europe, particularly the ones from Syria. We destroyed Iraq, and so exacerbated the Sunni/Shia divide beyond measure, as well as created the perfect conditions of hopelessness and devastation within which extremism could thrive. We also armed extremist groups in Syria at the start of the civil war even as we knew what their sympathies were, and it was out of this chaos from which ISIS sprung. Even now, we are currently raining down bombs on Raqqa and Mosul, and so killing civilians as well as increasing support for extremism. We probably have a bigger responsibility for refugees than any other country in Europe. While we fret about a tiny minority of migrants coming into the country, Syrians despair over seeing their country literally torn to shreds. Considering Lebanon and Jordan are taking in masses, and they're hardly responsible, we could at least take some responsibility for our actions instead of abandoning our victims to misery and death.
 
 
 
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