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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Wow, another remainer shows his true colours. That is not 'democratic', and you know it. stop lying to yourself and anyone else. You have absolutely no grace.
    Why are you bandying about scum? How dare you, you don't have a moral monopoly on anything.

    Are we going to run elections that don't count the public votes then?

    Maybe MP's should all just vote in elections and their vote should be counted above the public...


    You should be ashamed of your conduct, a lot of you young remainers. I have faith one day a younger generation comes through that is made of better stuff than you.
    You just proved how petty leave voters are. If you are not willing to respect the decision of elected individuals you are effectively a fascist.
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    (Original post by Manchester_123)
    You just proved how petty leave voters are. If you are not willing to respect the decision of elected individuals you are effectively a fascist.
    Haha oh my god listen to yourself, you are trying to spin it like we are the undemocratic ones, you cannot even accept the irrefutable premise of the referendum. You are in major denial and delusion.

    Any objective observer from any other country who witnessed this would see how insane, deluded and babyish so many remainers are being.

    As I say, I hope a better educated and more sane generation than you comes up beneath you eventually, because if they don't the UK is a lost cause.
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    Lol, yeah how petty, voting for in a democratic referendum to leave, then wanting to leave, I'm sure you would accuse remain of that if they won....(!)

    Listen to yourself, you sound like a totalitarians dream. I had family members who voted a different way but it would never descend to this. The more and more I see the remain reaction, the more convinced I am I made the right decision.

    You cannot face facts with any grace whatsoever, it is pitiful, you can try and rework things against the will of the people, but I guarantee you the probably will only escalate for you, as the genie is now out of the bottle and referendums will spread across Europe. Just accept that the world has not fallen apart, grow up and get on with your life.
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    (Original post by physicsphysics91)
    Move country then, I heard Germanistan is doing very well right now.
    speaks volumes

    about you
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Just accept that the world has not fallen apart, grow up and get on with your life.
    majorities make "wrong" decisions all the time. This, quite often, becomes crystal clear as time goes by (or even straight away)

    while majority voting is the basis of our democracy, this does not mean that those who oppose the decisions should refrain from criticising the decisions themselves and from considering how we could possibly, by legal means, repair or limit the damage
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    majorities make "wrong" decisions all the time. This, quite often, becomes crystal clear as time goes by (or even straight away)

    while majority voting is the basis of our democracy, this does not mean that those who oppose the decisions should refrain from criticising the decisions themselves and from considering how we could possibly, by legal means, repair or limit the damage
    But that's impossible because there is no way of knowing what would have happened in the upcoming years if we voted remain.
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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    The whole point of this thread is that you can't consider it to be an entirely democratic vote.

    And I'm not complaining, I'm genuinely curious as to why such a big decision was given to the British electorate. Typical of Brexiters to think of this as "I win, you lose, now shut up". It's much bigger than that
    Says the guy with the German flag as his avatar.

    In a democracy the public gets to vote on issues such as this. It's as simple as that. It was a fair democratic process, but clearly democracy has a different meaning in Germany.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    clearly democracy has a different meaning in Germany.
    you don't know what you're talking about

    Germany is just as democratic as any other "Western" State
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    you don't know what you're talking about

    Germany is just as democratic as any other "Western" State
    I'm aware, I was taking the p*ss. But I'm not very good at doing that effectively.
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    Being German born (and a German national) yet identifying myself as British, I have never thought about my identity until now. As the UK left the EU, the words "them and you" really tore myself apart. It was a never a question of "are you British or European", yet now, as my passport will not be part of my personal British identity, I do feel rather upset as such a huge part of who I am as a person has now changed direction.

    A ship moving away from my nationality, yet I still feel somehow part of those boarding.

    I was rather disappointed when I heared the news. So confusing, so uncertain, and nobody has any answers; the pound is losing value, key politicians are resigning, unemployment will mosst likely increase. Britain is still in its infancy as it grows into her sovereign nation, she needs to learn how to walk before she runs independently.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    Says the guy with the German flag as his avatar.

    In a democracy the public gets to vote on issues such as this. It's as simple as that. It was a fair democratic process, but clearly democracy has a different meaning in Germany.
    I'm not male, neither am I German. But nice xenophobia you have going there.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Democracy = non-experts making decisions that are better made by experts

    British are great fans of democracy, even where it doesn't belong, our whole culture revolves around the idea of democracy. Very few people actually think its a bad idea, until we get stupid election or referendum results, so we only learn the hard way when something goes badly wrong
    This type of response shows exactly why the shrill remainer-complainers have lost the plot.

    Democracy isn't just some sentimental concept, it's fundamental to the success and prosperity of western civilization.

    It's the only system that allows for peaceful compromise with the most interests within a country.
    It's why instead of plodding along pretending that the support for Leave didn't exist until things blew up for need of a release mechanism, you're making piss-weak posts on a forum showing your oddly ironic appeal for neo-fascism/totalitarianism.

    If you can't understand how authoritarianism is a recipe for disaster (reference: Almost every war ever in human history compared to democratic free market nation's unheard of levels of peaceful coexistence), then I wash my hands of my own generation.

    YOU people are the dangerous threats to prosperity and peace.

    Get a grip please.
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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    Why should they have had the power in the first place to undo 43 years of membership in the EU without being well informed about the consequences that would ensue? This matter should have been settled within parliament, where an overwhelming majority realised how terrible a Brexit would be for Great Britain - professionals who have studied law, politics, economics, etc. all their life. David Cameron is going to rue the day he ever gave into pressure from the Tory backbenchers. Even Boris Johnson and Michael Gove didn't want this to happen, but now "in the name of democracy" we're all going to suffer so unnecessarily.
    You really think politicians are more qualified than the public to make this decision, despite not necessarily being any better informed and parliament not requiring any political or economic qualiications for MPs? And many of them simply being career politicians?

    If the public are somehow unqualified to make the decision then most MPs aren't either.
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    (Original post by Studentus-anonymous)
    Democracy isn't just some sentimental concept, it's fundamental to the success and prosperity of western civilization.
    Actually, it could be our downfall. Democracy did elect Hitler, did it not?

    It's the only system that allows for peaceful compromise with the most interests within a country.
    The only system we have yet tried, and yet we could have countless small variations of the 1 adult man, 1 vote system that we currently have. Even a simple fix of requiring an IQ or political general knowledge test for voters, which is certainly feasible but has never been trialed

    It's why instead of plodding along pretending that the support for Leave didn't exist until things blew up for need of a release mechanism, you're making piss-weak posts on a forum showing your oddly ironic appeal for neo-fascism/totalitarianism.
    I did no such thing, and my appeal for a different variation of democracy is not neo-fascist, totalitarian, or ironic

    If you can't understand how authoritarianism is a recipe for disaster (reference: Almost every war ever in human history compared to democratic free market nation's unheard of levels of peaceful coexistence), then I wash my hands of my own generation.
    Britain has been a democracy for a very long time, yet is probably the country that has been involved in the most wars. Desire for profit made us fight for trade, land and luxuries.
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    This is why:

    Boris/Gove want more power, they were hoping to knock DC out with a virtual tie, but remain lead - so DC's leadership looks weak.

    But instead they won and now we're actually going the Brexit route, and they're clueless as to what to do.
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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    Why should they have had the power in the first place to undo 43 years of membership in the EU without being well informed about the consequences that would ensue? This matter should have been settled within parliament, where an overwhelming majority realised how terrible a Brexit would be for Great Britain - professionals who have studied law, politics, economics, etc. all their life. David Cameron is going to rue the day he ever gave into pressure from the Tory backbenchers. Even Boris Johnson and Michael Gove didn't want this to happen, but now "in the name of democracy" we're all going to suffer so unnecessarily.
    This. ^ Dear god...Why did we even elect these clowns if they were going to make us take decisions that will have such important economic implications? I swear whenever the conservatives come into power they achieve a lot but will mess something up..2 steps forward 3 steps back if you will .


    I mean come on...We the general public are not specialists in the field..There is a reason why we elect our government and pay taxes. They pay such high wages but what for? Can they seriously not use specialists in the field to make an informed decision on these matters?
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    (Original post by nexttimeigetvpn)
    This is why:

    Boris/Gove want more power, they were hoping to knock DC out with a virtual tie, but remain lead - so DC's leadership looks weak.

    But instead they won and now we're actually going the Brexit route, and they're clueless as to what to do.
    Did you see Gove's and Johnson's faces when they found out they won? I didn't see a single smile creep up, and I haven't done since Thursday. They really did not want this, nor did they expect it.

    Boris Johnson is less eurosceptic than Jeremy Corbyn is, I'm willing to bet. How bloody ironic.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    majorities make "wrong" decisions all the time. This, quite often, becomes crystal clear as time goes by (or even straight away)

    while majority voting is the basis of our democracy, this does not mean that those who oppose the decisions should refrain from criticising the decisions themselves and from considering how we could possibly, by legal means, repair or limit the damage
    Wrong according to people who voted for them, it is still democracy and by a country mile the most precious thing we have. If not we have dictatorship, or alternatively self selecting bodies like in the EU. Granted our political class and media class is somewhat self-selecting, and not much room for independence there, that's why they have proven so unrepresentative, but at least we have a say, and have free press(though ins a somewhat sinister way there have been attempts to stifle that)and an ability to raise our voice and vote in elections. Think about what the logical conclusion of your argument is, it's authoritarianism and hell. I 'm not saying this about you, but a lot of remainers are being hypocritical and unprincipled. I'm sure they'd want democracy if they were going to trounce leave like they thought initially, or of they were asking for a referendum to be in the EU if we weren't already. And, frankly, I'm increasingly convinced that a lot of Brexit would have been much more graceful and accepted it, in contrast to the behaviour of many remainers. I think the future decades, climate change's acceleration et al will prove this was the right path.
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    (Original post by Gora The Xplorer)
    The majority of people did not feel that they were prospering from globalism and this is what you seem completely incapable of swallowing. An expert who owns houses in every major global city has nothing to say to poor people who have been left behind by the system from which he is profiting.

    I was a remain voter, but I'm not a naive fool.
    Well I wonder how those poor people feel about rising food prices?

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-farmers-union
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    Well I wonder how those poor people feel about rising food prices?

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-farmers-union
    Use a source I can take seriously or else I'll start posting Mail articles just to spite you.
 
 
 
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