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Tony Blair, the Iraq War and the Chilcot Report. Thoughts? Watch

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    (Original post by Napp)
    If any leader from a non-western country had done what he did you can be damn sure these very politicions would be screaming to send them to the Hague..
    You mean removing a dictator who was breaching UN resolutions and the removal of whom led to a democratically elected prime minister who doesn't gas his citizens? Hmm, sounds like we'd definitely send a non-western leader to the Hague for that...

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    It's kinda like the wolf & the lamb fable. The wolf is right at all times . The wolf always has a fictitious reason that is concocted in order to conceal the real reason.

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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    Imagine if the UK had launched a pre-emptive attack on Germany in the early 1930s to achieve regime change and oust Hitler under suspicions that his rearming posed a threat to Europe.

    This would have gone down as one of the biggest atrocities of the 20th century and Britain would be forever shamed for what they had done, unlawfully attacking a sovereign state.
    Well Germany was in violation of treaty obligations by rearming and Britain and France would have been perfectly entitled to invade Germany. France actually wanted to but Britain would not join them. Many argue this is exactly what should of happened when Germany remilitraized the Rhineland, it would of saved a lot of bloodshed and brought about the downfall of Hitler, as Hitler later admitted. Germany could not of fought a war at that point and it would of destroyed Hitler Politically. It would of been a short war too, nothing on the scale of 45 or even 39, far from the greatest atrocity. It's a pretty poor comparison.
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    (Original post by viddy9)
    The point of the Iraq War was to gain control of the oil, irrespective of the humanitarian consequences. If, in an alternate universe in which President Sanders and Prime Minister Corbyn did intervene for humanitarian reasons, obviously securing the oil resources would have been necessary, but that wouldn't have been the reason to invade the country in the first place, crucially.
    In what sense are you arguing the war was for oil? Because American oil imports from Iraq are very low, something like tenth down the list and dropping fast since 2002. In terms of oil companies that were exploiting the fields, well American companies were barred from some of the oil auctions, many of the biggest fields were developed by the Iraqi government itself and finally many of the private companies involved were Chinese and French. If this was an invasion for oil America did not seem to get much oil from it.

    I've never seen an argument for Iraq being about oil that went beyond, Iraq has oil therefore the war must be about oil.
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    In what sense are you arguing the war was for oil? Because American oil imports from Iraq are very low, something like tenth down the list and dropping fast since 2002. In terms of oil companies that were exploiting the fields, well American companies were barred from some of the oil auctions, many of the biggest fields were developed by the Iraqi government itself and finally many of the private companies involved were Chinese and French. If this was an invasion for oil America did not seem to get much oil from it.

    I've never seen an argument for Iraq being about oil that went beyond, Iraq has oil therefore the war must be about oil.
    It was more nuanced than that. See here and here, for instance.

    The key passage, with respect to the Chilcot Report, from the first article is this:

    Media analyses claiming lazily that there was no planning for the aftermath of the Iraq War should look closer at the public record. The reality is that extensive plans for postwar reconstruction were pursued, but they did not consider humanitarian and societal issues of any significance, focusing instead on maintaining the authoritarian structures of Saddam's brutal regime after his removal, while upgrading Iraq's oil infrastructure to benefit foreign investors.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Well Germany was in violation of treaty obligations by rearming and Britain and France would have been perfectly entitled to invade Germany. France actually wanted to but Britain would not join them. Many argue this is exactly what should of happened when Germany remilitraized the Rhineland, it would of saved a lot of bloodshed and brought about the downfall of Hitler, as Hitler later admitted. Germany could not of fought a war at that point and it would of destroyed Hitler Politically. It would of been a short war too, nothing on the scale of 45 or even 39, far from the greatest atrocity. It's a pretty poor comparison.
    Only because you have an established counterfactual of what actually happened.

    What about if Britain and the allies had done that to Germany in the early 1930s, taken out Hitler, crushed Germany militarily, and Germany had turned in to a failed state out of which a Communist movement, sponsored by the Soviet Union had taken control and established a Communist dictatorship that killed millions.

    People would say "the Allies caused that through their pre-emptive invasion"
 
 
 
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