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    (Original post by Copperknickers)
    I'd say that at least 75% of Leave voters had immigration as one of their primary motivations. The undemocratic nature of the EU was not on the forefront of most people's minds, the main problem people had with it is that they felt it eroded British sovereignty. I don't think they would have cared at all if they found out (as is the case) that the EU is actually not hugely undemocratic compared to any other federal system in the world (the USA for instance), they just had a problem with Europeans deciding British policy full stop, even if said Europeans were the entire voting population of Europe.

    And as regards wanting Britain to remain in the EU, that's a bit of a moot point now isn't it, we've already left.
    Ashcroft Poll analysis - main reason given by Leavers:

    1. (Sovereignty) Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”.

    2. (Immigration) One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.”

    3. (EU expansion) Just over one in eight (13%) said remaining would mean having no choice “about how the EU expanded its membership or its powers in the years ahead.”*

    4. (Economy) Only just over one in twenty (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06...voted-and-why/

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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    What does the circumstances of living have to do with why you would vote out?
    The grass is greener...

    ...except when it isn't.

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    (Original post by NerradCFCB)
    well I want my Town to be english bot the United Global Convention in my town youd be shocked it england and not Bangladesh
    *not
    #SpellCheckARacist

    BTW Bangladesh is not in the EU.



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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    What does the circumstances of living have to do with why you would vote out?
    If you watch the program, and *listen* you may begin to understand
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    Nope - The reason places become rich is that the invite and want people to come. Investment is part and parcel of wanting people to come.
    Yeah but there needs to be something worth going there for to start with otherwise you're putting the cart before the horse, there's no manufacturing these days either to utilise masses of available labour.
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    (Original post by NJA)
    If you watch the program, and *listen* you may begin to understand
    Or.....you could just tell me if you listened.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Or.....you could just tell me if you listened.
    It's better you hear it first hand, more feeling, something which some people have lost.
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    (Original post by NJA)
    It's better you hear it first hand, more feeling, something which some people have lost.
    No, I like facts.
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    There needs to be a regeneration of the regions. There MUST be a massive disinvestment programme from London, if Brexit has told us anything it has told us that.

    Wealth and the means to create it needs to be transferred to the North, Midlands and Wales and the seaside towns. (Scotland can go hang as far as I am concerned, hopefully they will soon leave the UK and do us all a favour).

    Britain is too Londoncentric. The rest of the country is sick of it, really ANGRY, and change needs to happen.

    Brexit is a fantastic opportunity to shake this country up and deal with some of our long standing problems. I wish I could have some faith that our failed political class and civil service (the evident lack of contingency planing for an actual Brexit on the latter's part was astonishingly negligent) have the will, capacity and competence to achieve it.
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    I think higher incomes / wealth and living standards are primarily derived from investment in infrastructure and migration is symptomatic and exacerbates the effect. In my view if we were to increase investment in infrastructure in Northern towns and thus create new jobs. The creation of new jobs and opportunity would attract migrants to live and work there. I don't think are departure from the EU should affect this as a.) I think in all likelihood Britain will be forced to agree to free movement of people in return for being part of the single market and b.) I believe the UK government recognises our need for immigration in order to bridge skills gaps in our labour market and thus any new immigration policy will be sympathetic to attracting the right kinds of talent.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    The Scottish people as well as Londoners and people from Manchester know if you want to get rich you have to be welcoming to migrants.

    There is a direct link to wealth and the numbers of migrants coming to find work.

    Brexit could potentially turn the whole country into a northern "waste land".

    How do we go about making northern people love migrants?

    Is there an answer to this?

    Surely if Scotland, even its poorer towns such as Paisley, can love migrants, then why cant our northern towns?

    What is going on up there? I've never been up north (apart from passing through to get to relatives in Scotland). Could someone from there tell me what is going on?
    Maybe someone has already suggested it but another way to describe the trend is that migrants don't go to places where there are no opportunities.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    The Scottish people as well as Londoners and people from Manchester know if you want to get rich you have to be welcoming to migrants.

    There is a direct link to wealth and the numbers of migrants coming to find work.

    Brexit could potentially turn the whole country into a northern "waste land".

    How do we go about making northern people love migrants?

    Is there an answer to this?

    Surely if Scotland, even its poorer towns such as Paisley, can love migrants, then why cant our northern towns?

    What is going on up there? I've never been up north (apart from passing through to get to relatives in Scotland). Could someone from there tell me what is going on?
    hmmm...manchester, liverpool, sheffiled, leeds, bradford, are not northern, and largely multi-cultural?

    and you don't realise post-industralism, and the decline of heavy industry is a factor?
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Ashcroft Poll analysis - main reason given by Leavers:

    1. (Sovereignty) Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”.

    2. (Immigration) One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.”

    3. (EU expansion) Just over one in eight (13%) said remaining would mean having no choice “about how the EU expanded its membership or its powers in the years ahead.”*

    4. (Economy) Only just over one in twenty (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06...voted-and-why/

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    To some degree i voted on the basis of the economy first (i concluded that we would survive or thrive whether in or out, therefore the economy argument was neutral for me), immigration second (i don't actually care much about EU immigration however i'm deeply alarmed that the likes of Germany and Sweden are polluting the continent with the third world and these people will eventually have the ability to come here) and then sovereignty (i don't believe any state can be fully sovereign anymore but a large swathe of Europe is too socialist and too pacifist, at least i can elect a Tory government here).

    The fact that most put sovereignty is interesting though.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    polluting the continent with the third world......
    Racist scum
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    Racist scum
    If supporting a net immigration rate of around 200,000 while keeping out the third world is racist then so be it, the country will be better off for it though.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    If supporting a net immigration rate of around 200,000 while keeping out the third world is racist then so be it, the country will be better off for it though.
    I agree with your point, obviously, but the annual running total is nearer 330,000 net now.

    As for it being "racist" for opposing this, then I am happy to be called racist too.

    That is how the left have impoverished debate. People are actually proud to be called "racist" nowadays. So meaningless has the term become...
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    (Original post by generallee)
    I agree with your point, obviously, but the annual running total is nearer 330,000 net now.

    As for it being "racist" for opposing this, then I am happy to be called racist too.

    That is how the left have impoverished debate. People are actually proud to be called "racist" nowadays. So meaningless has the term become...
    Also happy to be called racist for the same thoughts as you


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