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    (Original post by Beska)
    I wouldn't ad lib AUDIT-C, that's a bit ridiculous. For alcohol screening there's no real problem with CAGE - it's very sensitive and specific (about 90% for each). Not sure why a university would disagree with something like CAGE. Simplicity for tools isn't something that's a bad thing...

    Rumours are probably rumours. Somebody probably did a history in front of some OTT gastro reg who didn't like CAGE and it spread from there.
    Well I've remembered MMSE off by heart (As part of knowing "Mental Health State Communication" and separately "Neurological History Taking" (although the latter is more likely to be headaches) but AUDIT-C seems a step too far! People in our year say CAGE is "too aggressively worded" but I'm going to stick with it as it's just one part of the alcohol history. AUDIT-C would fill more time of the history which could be better spent earning marks with other questions.

    OSCEs start tomorrow. :eek: I know things enough, just hope keep on top of the anxiety

    So many people seem to be on summer holidays here and we are still going in 3rd year

    *Runs off back to revision*
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    (Original post by Lionheartat20)
    Does anyone use CAGE in an alcohol history OSCE or do you prefer AUDIT-C?
    Rumour in our year is that they don't like CAGE at all - but then we have never formally been taught how to take an alcohol history.

    AUDIT-C seems, to me, overly complicated to interpret properly within an OSCE station. (Presuming you are not provided the template & marking criteria)
    Just want to add that technically AUDIT-C (i.e. the shortened version of AUDIT) only asks about how much alcohol someone is imbibing not questions regarding guilt, or using alcohol as an eye-opener (which are covered in CAGE as well as the full AUDIT). Equally doing a CAGE and not asking about how much/frequency of drinking is of little help too.

    In real life scenarios - away from all this OSCE tick-boxing - I've found that CAGE questions can seem quite confrontational if not properly 'introduced', especially with patients who are reluctant to admit that they might have a drinking problem. As a screening tool for the majority of people, it's quick, reliable and effective but I'd say for people who you really suspect to have substance misuse/addiction problems, go with AUDIT or a better substance misuse tool.
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    I have somehow passed finals
    Looking forward to a slightly more chilled out fifth year.


    (Original post by Lionheartat20)
    Does anyone use CAGE in an alcohol history OSCE or do you prefer AUDIT-C?
    Rumour in our year is that they don't like CAGE at all - but then we have never formally been taught how to take an alcohol history.

    AUDIT-C seems, to me, overly complicated to interpret properly within an OSCE station. (Presuming you are not provided the template & marking criteria)
    I used CAGE in my OSCEs, but I've not even heard of AUDIT-C ha.
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    Question: how many medical schools traditionally sit "exemption exams" or like the equivalent of finals in Year 4 of the medical programme? Is that a thing? Just trying to get my head around the whole process because from my understanding we sit "finals" at the end of year 4 and Jan of Year 5, and if we pass everything we don't have to sit anything in the summer of Year 5?
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    (Original post by ameelia22)
    Question: how many medical schools traditionally sit "exemption exams" or like the equivalent of finals in Year 4 of the medical programme? Is that a thing? Just trying to get my head around the whole process because from my understanding we sit "finals" at the end of year 4 and Jan of Year 5, and if we pass everything we don't have to sit anything in the summer of Year 5?
    My medical school (Cardiff) do this! The way our course is built means we sit finals slightly earlier to allow us to do our senior student placements and elective without worrying about revision or exams.
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    (Original post by Natalierm2707)
    My medical school (Cardiff) do this! The way our course is built means we sit finals slightly earlier to allow us to do our senior student placements and elective without worrying about revision or exams.
    Yea I completely get the logic but for some bizarre and horrific reason UoM have decided to move the elective to the end of Year 4... which makes me so angry because we come back and sit exemption exams straight away?? We are then doing placement right up until we graduate?
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    (Original post by ameelia22)
    Yea I completely get the logic but for some bizarre and horrific reason UoM have decided to move the elective to the end of Year 4... which makes me so angry because we come back and sit exemption exams straight away?? We are then doing placement right up until we graduate?
    we sit finals at the end of year 4 and start of year 5 (we have 3 sets if im pretty sure and we have to pass just 2), we then go on elective at easter of year 5 and then do our senior student placement (shadowing the f1s we will take over if we stay in wales) just before we graduate.

    UoM system does seem slightly flawed because it means you having to revise on elective which shouldn't be the case!
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    We have our elective between y4 exams and results. It's quite nice because there's no work you could do in that time, but it means if you fail you have to come home early for resits
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    (Original post by ameelia22)
    Yea I completely get the logic but for some bizarre and horrific reason UoM have decided to move the elective to the end of Year 4... which makes me so angry because we come back and sit exemption exams straight away?? We are then doing placement right up until we graduate?
    (Original post by Natalierm2707)
    we sit finals at the end of year 4 and start of year 5 (we have 3 sets if im pretty sure and we have to pass just 2), we then go on elective at easter of year 5 and then do our senior student placement (shadowing the f1s we will take over if we stay in wales) just before we graduate.

    UoM system does seem slightly flawed because it means you having to revise on elective which shouldn't be the case!
    The Cardiff system isn't perfect either though. The layout means you start 4th year first week of September, have 4th year exams in April/May, then as soon as these are done you jump into what's technically your first 5th year placement which is 7 weeks long and then a couple of weeks after this you have the finals OSCE and first of the written finals. This means that 4th year runs from the first week of September until the last week of July with only two 'weeks off' around christmas. As the current 4th years will tell you it's a very stressful year.*

    With regard to the exams, you're perfectly right. There are 3 sets of SBA question papers. One in July at the end of 4th year. Then the others are November and February. You have to get a minimum of 50% averaged across your two best papers. So technically you could get 90%, 10%, 5% and pass. If you haven't achieved this after 3 attempts you are allowed a 4th attempt which is classed as the resit.*
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    (Original post by Elwyn)
    The Cardiff system isn't perfect either though. The layout means you start 4th year first week of September, have 4th year exams in April/May, then as soon as these are done you jump into what's technically your first 5th year placement which is 7 weeks long and then a couple of weeks after this you have the finals OSCE and first of the written finals. This means that 4th year runs from the first week of September until the last week of July with only two 'weeks off' around christmas. As the current 4th years will tell you it's a very stressful year.*

    With regard to the exams, you're perfectly right. There are 3 sets of SBA question papers. One in July at the end of 4th year. Then the others are November and February. You have to get a minimum of 50% averaged across your two best papers. So technically you could get 90%, 10%, 5% and pass. If you haven't achieved this after 3 attempts you are allowed a 4th attempt which is classed as the resit.*
    Are the 5th year exams the same as the progress tests?


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    (Original post by Natalierm2707)
    Are the 5th year exams the same as the progress tests?


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    No, the progress tests are something new that came with the new course. I'm not sure if the current finals structure will be the same when you come to do them.
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    Passed my exams! :awesome: Considering I was admit in hospital for pretty much all of last term and had to self teach myself most of that course, I'm very happy :lol:

    On to year 2!
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    (Original post by usycool1)
    Passed my exams! :awesome: Considering I was admit in hospital for pretty much all of last term and had to self teach myself most of that course, I'm very happy :lol:

    On to year 2!
    Congrats! Hope things keep going positively for you :woo:
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    Bit belated, but now officially timeywimey - 3rd year imperial


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    (Original post by ForestCat)
    New thread time!

    The list below is probably very out of date now so quote or PM me and I will update it for you!


    :hi:

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    Everyone is sending photos of themselves jetting off on elective/already in the sun somewhere exotic... I've just topped up my Oyster card to travel to the local DGH for the next 8 weeks/work.*
    Moan over... Looking forwards to elective though, It'll be really good. Just maybe need to ignore Facebook for the next 6-8 weeks*
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    (Original post by lcsurfer)
    Everyone is sending photos of themselves jetting off on elective/already in the sun somewhere exotic... I've just topped up my Oyster card to travel to the local DGH for the next 8 weeks/work.*
    Moan over... Looking forwards to elective though, It'll be really good. Just maybe need to ignore Facebook for the next 6-8 weeks*
    Snap! *The past 48 hours on my Facebook feed has basically been everyone travelling to their electives, I'm stuck locally as well after my plans fell through. *On the plus side, we'll be less broke and get to see friends (those who haven't jetted off) and won't be jet lagged?! *Attempting to find the silver lining.
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    (Original post by Nuttyneuron)
    Snap! *The past 48 hours on my Facebook feed has basically been everyone travelling to their electives, I'm stuck locally as well after my plans fell through. *On the plus side, we'll be less broke and get to see friends (those who haven't jetted off) and won't be jet lagged?! *Attempting to find the silver lining.
    Oh no that sucks so much if it's fallen through . What are you doing?
    If you need a drinking partner I'm here the whole time haha. Some of my friends are here for 4 weeks then everyone but 1 is gone away!
    Well I ma currently at work and its 29C, flys everywhere and no air conditioning... Who needs an exotic elective!
    How did you find writtens?
    #1

    Any advice for coping with the stress of resits? It's the first time I've been in a "now or never" exam situation, and I'm terrified of it going the wrong way. I have a week or so to go, and I was only a few marks off, but I keep thinking "what if the wrong question comes up again?".
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    student finance continues to kill me - do I put down I am on "work placement" (unpaid, in a hospital) or University for third year?
 
 
 
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