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    (Original post by lawlieto)
    StaNford, Harvard etc are not better than Oxbridge...
    they cost far far more
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    (Original post by lawlieto)
    They do not favour private school candidates, moreover, they do not care about anything other than your academic abilities.
    Not in the sense that they favour people by virtue of their being private school candidates, but in the sense that private school candidates simply do better, and have more access to resources that prepare them for the specific demands of the Oxbridge admissions procedure, hence are more likely to be accepted, which I highly doubt can be attributed to innate ability/potential. Their procedures try to ascertain how people will cope/how well they will be able to succeed at Oxbridge (well, in particular at Cambridge for Cambridge and Oxford for Oxford obviously), not in general, and I think that their tutorial system, which the interview is, from what I have heard, meant to be similar to, is more suited to those who are more self-assured and articulate, and private schools churn these out far better than state schools.
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    The founder of Harvard graduated from Cambridge.
    I found this out today and was thoroughly amused
    this is true as Cambridge dates back several centuries I belive
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    (Original post by drandy76)
    Aren't you doing bio Nat sci? Pretty sure that's basically a social science


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    Okay

    Have you been stalking me on TSR?
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    (Original post by jamesthehustler)
    this is true as Cambridge dates back several centuries I belive
    Yeah

    Harvard is still the ultimate academic dream though :moon:
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    Okay

    Have you been stalking me on TSR?
    No just have a good memory, vaguely remember you were doing something biology related so I picked between that and biochem


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    (Original post by PHD2027)
    Hell no. Cambridge and Oxford are not the best universities, their staff hardly make any scientific contributions
    What on earth...
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    (Original post by B4LL3R)
    That includes people that never applied
    I didn't apply so I'm inferior....
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    (Original post by drandy76)
    No just have a good memory, vaguely remember you were doing something biology related so I picked between that and biochem


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    Yeah I wanna do biochem and if I get the grades for Cambridge, I'll be doing bio natsci there and specialise in biochem in the third year
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    (Original post by jamesthehustler)
    they cost far far more
    and then what? Oxford and London Metropolitan University both cost £9000 for a year. Are you saying that they both provide the same level of education because they cost the same? (Your answer implies that more expensive unis are better)
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    Not in the sense that they favour people by virtue of their being private school candidates, but in the sense that private school candidates simply do better, and have more access to resources that prepare them for the specific demands of the Oxbridge admissions procedure, hence are more likely to be accepted, which I highly doubt can be attributed to innate ability/potential. Their procedures try to ascertain how people will cope/how well they will be able to succeed at Oxbridge (well, in particular at Cambridge for Cambridge and Oxford for Oxford obviously), not in general, and I think that their tutorial system, which the interview is, from what I have heard, meant to be similar to, is more suited to those who are more self-assured and articulate, and private schools churn these out far better than state schools.
    Yes, I'm afraid I have to agree with this. In private schools, they do mock interviews and they are most likely better prepared for the admissions process. However, if an applicant goes to a school which had less than 10 students with AAA grades in the past 3 years, they get a "red flag" (they get another red flag if they have much better GCSEs than their secondary school average). Although I'm not sure to what extent Oxford admissions tutors care about these red flags. Obviously you will have a bigger chance of getting an offer if you've been prepared for this for years.
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    (Original post by THUG*LYF)
    No it's not.

    My friend did engineering at oxford, enjoyed doing electrical engineering, did a PhD, then left to work for a consulting firm and now works as a quant for a top hedge fund.

    No one is doing that from southampton lol

    You you me self know Southampton is not target, why the hell are you saying all this crap - because Alexion is your buddy and you don't want him to feel bad?
    So he doesn't work in engineering and the field he ended up in has nothing to do with engineering either? Btw, as someone who knows a fair amount of people within the finance industry, yes, people from Southampton have done exactly what you've stated - sorry to break it to you*

    Southampton is a top tier engineering school, especially for electronics. All sorts of tech and engineering companies actively recruit their graduates because they know for a fact that the blend of theory and practical work embedded into the degrees there equip grads with solid skills. Engineering employers on the whole are much less elitist and frankly, couldn't care less about the Oxbridge moniker. My dad used to hire new grads at Shell (he was a VP) and oftentimes his fellow coworkers would comment on how ill prepared some Oxbridge grads (not all) were for the job.

    Because he's talking about engineering and NOT finance. There is a difference. Even if Southampton 'isn't a target' doesn't mean their grads don't go into front office finance (news flash: they do).
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    (Original post by THUG*LYF)
    Nobody should want to actually work in the electronics industry. It's crap.

    People do engineering at places like Oxbridge and then get extremely well paying jobs in the city. You just can't do that from somewhere naff like southampton.
    You're spouting a lot of nonsense here
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    Yeah I wanna do biochem and if I get the grades for Cambridge, I'll be doing bio natsci there and specialise in biochem in the third year
    Good luck fam, only one month till we're all put out of our miseries


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    (Original post by B4LL3R)
    That includes people that never applied
    No it doesn't - Oxbridge is not the best choice for all degree subjects.

    People turn down places and do absolutely fine

    What is 'sad' is people that apply because their school/parents tell them to -
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    (Original post by drandy76)
    Good luck fam, only one month till we're all put out of our miseries


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    Or put in more misery
    Good luck to you too man
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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    So he doesn't work in engineering and the field he ended up in has nothing to do with engineering either? Btw, as someone who knows a fair amount of people within the finance industry, yes, people from Southampton have done exactly what you've stated - sorry to break it to you*

    Southampton is a top tier engineering school, especially for electronics. All sorts of tech and engineering companies actively recruit their graduates because they know for a fact that the blend of theory and practical work embedded into the degrees there equip grads with solid skills. Engineering employers on the whole are much less elitist and frankly, couldn't care less about the Oxbridge moniker. My dad used to hire new grads at Shell (he was a VP) and oftentimes his fellow coworkers would comment on how ill prepared some Oxbridge grads (not all) were for the job.

    Because he's talking about engineering and NOT finance. There is a difference. Even if Southampton 'isn't a target' doesn't mean their grads don't go into front office finance (news flash: they do).
    Yes I'm sure Goldman Sachs and Mcskinsey are just lined with Southampton grads

    Newsflash, stop talking socialist ****

    Oxford, Cambridge, imperial, UCL, Warwick or GTFO
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    (Original post by THUG*LYF)
    Yes I'm sure Goldman Sachs and Mcskinsey are just lined with Southampton grads

    Newsflash, stop talking socialist ****

    Oxford, Cambridge, imperial, UCL, Warwick or GTFO
    In the tech division of GS, yeah, definitely. In FO, still a decent amount.

    I'm not talking socialist anything, I'm trying to dispel this elitist view on life that is so bloody rampant on here.**
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    (Original post by THUG*LYF)
    Oxford, Cambridge, imperial, UCL, Warwick or GTFO
    Warwick and UCL have weaker engineering departments than Soton
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    (Original post by Ayman!)
    Warwick and UCL have weaker engineering departments than Soton
    Yep

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