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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Islam contains strong political elements, which is what makes it especially dangerous - the infliction of laws based on mediaeval superstitious beliefs is anathema to any sensible western educated person in the twenty-first century.
    Yet we allowed Gordon Brown to do just that without so much as a blink.
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    Maybe you just don't fit into a box, maybe you have leftist views on most things but a right wing view towards Muslims? Just maybe
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Yet we allowed Gordon Brown to do just that without so much as a blink.
    Eh?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Eh?
    Gordon Brown divulged to Leveson that he inflicted laws based on mediaeval superstitious beliefs on this country against the wishes of even his own cabinet and you haven't even heard about it?
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Gordon Brown divulged to Leveson that he inflicted laws based on mediaeval superstitious beliefs on this country against the wishes of even his own cabinet and you haven't even heard about it?
    Correct. Which laws?
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    Usually because the people who are concerned of Islam spreading vote for far right politicians
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Correct. Which laws?
    Cannabis.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Cannabis.
    You do realise that the use and supply of cannabis was illegal long before Gordon Brown became PM, don't you? Precisely which superstitious belief was he supposedly pandering to?
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    So let me get this straight.

    Am I correct in thinking that although I support decriminalising drugs; opening drug rehabilitation centres; getting rid of the legal benefits of marriage entirely (so no one is discriminated against); freedom of speech; secularism; publicly funded healthcare, schools, and university; and a welfare system, I'm actually far-right because I have the consistancy to dislike all kinds of traditionalist ultra-conservatism, and don't make an exception for Islam?
    Could someone explain how this works? Does far-right just mean "anti-Islam"?
    Thats not being far right because for instance,how can i believe in islam when i suppport gay marriage. Youre not far right,your beliefs dont align with islam and therefore think its wrong.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    You do realise that the use and supply of cannabis was illegal long before Gordon Brown became PM, don't you? Precisely which superstitious belief was he supposedly pandering to?
    Yeah, he reclassified it. I don't know much about presbyterianism i'm afraid so i have no idea. Surprised you hadn't heard about it when its such an imporant issue for you though.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Surprised you hadn't heard about it when its such an imporant issue for you though.
    What is a surprise is that you should claim drugs legislation that has been around for decades should have recently been introduced and that they are founded on superstitious beliefs, when those beliefs were invented hundreds or thousands of years before the drugs were developed and used.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    What is a surprise is that you should claim drugs legislation that has been around for decades should have recently been introduced and that they are founded on superstitious beliefs, when those beliefs were invented hundreds or thousands of years before the drugs were developed and used.
    I'm not really sure what you're arguing about now, Gordon Brown changed laws based upon his religious views, simple as that.

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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    I'm not really sure what you're arguing about now, Gordon Brown changed laws based upon his religious views, simple as that.

    That video makes it clear that Brown has some personal views that some others disagree with. It does not make it clear that he holds them for superstitious reasons.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    That video makes it clear that Brown has some personal views that some others disagree with. It does not make it clear that he holds them for superstitious reasons.
    He went against all advise in favour of his religious views, pretty clear, not sure why you would defend it.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    He went against all advise in favour of his religious views, pretty clear, not sure why you would defend it.
    I'm not defending anything. You are making a claim that his views are based on religion (and they may be) but the evidence you provide does not back up your assertion in any way.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    I'm not defending anything. You are making a claim that his views are based on religion (and they may be) but the evidence you provide does not back up your assertion in any way.
    We're talking about Gordon Brown with his infamous Presbyterian conscience talking about evils and his strongly held personal views here, not sure it could be any clearer.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    We're talking about Gordon Brown with his infamous Presbyterian conscience talking about evils and his strongly held personal views here, not sure it could be any clearer.
    No matter what you think you know about him, that video does not support your assertion that he holds those views for religious reasons.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    No matter what you think you know about him, that video does not support your assertion that he holds those views for religious reasons.
    Course it supports it, maybe not enough to convince the wilfully ignorant, but hey ho.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Course it supports it, maybe not enough to convince the wilfully ignorant, but hey ho.
    I am an atheist and I happen to agree with him on the problems created drinking and gambling, and am undecided about liberalising cannabis. Does that mean I hold those views for religious reasons?

    You asserted two things: (a) his views are engendered by religion and (b) he forced his views on his cabinet. You then offered that video as proof. In fact, it supports neither contention, and flatly contradicts the second.
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    (Original post by george_c00per)
    Usually because the people who are concerned of Islam spreading vote for far right politicians
    You really think everyone who has such concerns votes for far right politicians? Bill Maher, who supported Bernie Sanders, or Christopher Hitchens, the self-proclaimed Marxist, or Dawkins, or Sam Harris, or Douglas Murray, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali, or Nick Cohen? You think they're all far-right? They're some of the most famous critics of Islam, and none of them are anywhere near being far-right.
 
 
 
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