Creationism being taught in schools is a not all bad

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    (Original post by Galadrielll)
    Surely children should be exposed to a plethora of ideas and allowed to choose from the wealth of knowledge which is being imparted on them daily and make their own choice. The occupation of Darwinian evolution in the class room is pretty one sided and it's indoctrinating children to having a very narrow outlook on life.

    Research has shown that the most intelligent students and academically well to-do choose their careers around the early age of 10 where children show a strong interest and passion for one area or more over others. Yet children are not being stimulated enough in primary school. We need to make certain elements of the curriculum more stream-lined across the whole country for example more advanced arithmetic than is being currently taught in addition to stressing the need to read books for leisure. And why not also educate children on philosophy and creationism.

    Surely children should be set-up to have a well-rounded school experience not what is currently happening right now.
    why not teach them the ideas of David Icke ?

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    (Original post by Racoon)
    We do not know for example that decay rates have always been constant.
    I'm far from a science specialist, but even I know how abominably stupid this comment is. You're essentially saying "The laws of physics might have been different in the past." True, we can't disprove that - but there's also no basis for assuming it in the first place, and it's far from the most obvious assumption. And furthermore, it's an assumption that would essentially render any scientific hypothesising null, void and worthless, because there would be no objectively certain laws by which to judge and test them.

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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    And furthermore, it's an assumption that would essentially render any scientific hypothesising null, void and worthless, because there would be no objectively certain laws by which to judge and test them.
    Welcome to the world of the religious.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    I'm far from a science specialist, but even I know how abominably stupid this comment is. You're essentially saying "The laws of physics might have been different in the past." True, we can't disprove that - but there's also no basis for assuming it in the first place, and it's far from the most obvious assumption. And furthermore, it's an assumption that would essentially render any scientific hypothesising null, void and worthless, because there would be no objectively certain laws by which to judge and test them.

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    I've actually seen a Ted Talk to do with the philosophy of science where the dude says the physical constants may have changed and may continue to change in the future and there may be evidence for it. Of course, it could be rubbish and purely a branch of pseudoscience but I'm no expert to really call it. I can post it if you want?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    It is ironic that you raise doubts about scientific evidence and theories that stand rigorous testing but never doubt your own belief that is based on nothing more than a book of fairy stories and what your mother indoctrinated you with.

    What is ironic is your reply, no substance in it whatsoever. Its easy to insult but you are not really saying anything helpful.
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    (Original post by Rather_Cynical)
    The arguments against evolution tends to be that there isn't an exhaustive link between each species, is mainly owed to the fact that fossilization is extremely rare for nature to do. It's like if you had to find treasure in a landfill, there's scarcely any there because most of it's already destroyed or incinerated.

    Also, all fossils are transitional between other species. It leads nowhere to the creation myth.

    'there's scarcely any there' - how convenient.
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    **** no - religion shouldn't be taught to kids. not until they're at least in their teen years, learning about other things too, like politics, and philosophy. the state should be neutral, and as well, it should also, if it's to teach "about" religion, teach about atheism.
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    The convenience of "much of the evidence gets destroyed because sedimentary rocks are formed in a way that doesn't perfectly preserve geological artifacts" doesn't come into it, it's a perfectly consistent and well reasoned explanation.

    The "magic skydaddy magic'd up everything by magic" is even more convenient.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    There is no questioning whether the age of the earth is necessary. It is a simple fact, determined through experimentation and observation. There is no reason for any other explanation unless new evidence to suggest one comes to light.

    Ummm - we do actually. There is a whole raft of experimentation you can do for yourself to prove it. There is no evidence to suggest that the laws of physics might have been different at some point in the past. However, feel free to propose a theory that they were different complete with your experimentation and observations. Alas, stating fact because you believe it to be true won't cut it I am afraid.

    Where do you stand on references in the Bible that suggest the Earth is flat, that the sky is solid and that the Earth is stationary in the universe?

    '.....It is a simple fact, determined through experimentation and observation'.- really?

    'There is no evidence to suggest that the laws of physics might have been different at some point in the past' - is there evidence to suggest it wasn't?

    'Where do you stand on references in the Bible that suggest the Earth is flat, that the sky is solid and that the Earth is stationary in the universe'? now I know you're joking.
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    What is ironic is your reply, no substance in it whatsoever. Its easy to insult but you are not really saying anything helpful.
    If someone takes you less seriously, they wouldn't waste their breath on writing a lengthy reply to tear your arguments apart. The "it's such an assumption that the decay rate stays the same" shows you lack a fundamental understanding, so explaining it to you would be time wasted.
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    Teaching religion in schools: Yay lets make our already uneducated children dumber.
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    '.....It is a simple fact, determined through experimentation and observation'.- really?
    It looks like you haven't even objected, or at least justified your objections - maybe you don't understand scientific terminology?

    (Original post by Racoon)
    'There is no evidence to suggest that the laws of physics might have been different at some point in the past' - is there evidence to suggest it wasn't?
    The Universe is quite consistent with its mathematics in every other respect, especially with something as simple as decay constants. Physically, there isn't a mechanism to catalyse or slow down the decay, so unless the Universe changed in the past few million years to meet your whims without reason or rhyme, it doesn't make sense to believe the nonsense you're peddling.

    If the Universe does mess about with the laws of physics, changing on a whim, then the mathematical modelling associated with physics in all other domains would fall apart and it would be impossible to make accurate predictions to extrapolate/interpolate.

    This is not the case, the predictions made with modern physics tend to be quite consistent.

    (Original post by Racoon)
    'Where do you stand on references in the Bible that suggest the Earth is flat, that the sky is solid and that the Earth is stationary in the universe'? now I know you're joking.
    "I cherrypick the verses I like, and reject the verses I don't"
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    This thread proves religious people should not be allowed anywhere near education, yet a lot of religious people are involved so they can mess with young people's minds and screw them up as we have already seen with some posters on this thread.
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    '.....It is a simple fact, determined through experimentation and observation'.- really?

    'There is no evidence to suggest that the laws of physics might have been different at some point in the past' - is there evidence to suggest it wasn't
    No. So the status quo is that the laws of physics have remained constant. If evidence suggests otherwise, that view will change. That is the point. Science moves, ebbs and flows and new understanding comes forward. Creationism is constant.


    (Original post by Racoon)
    'Where do you stand on references in the Bible that suggest the Earth is flat, that the sky is solid and that the Earth is stationary in the universe'? now I know you're joking.
    No I am not joking. You seem to be cherry picking. Certain phrases and workings in the Bible imply that the earth is flat, that it is the centre of the universe, that the moon emits light like the sun and that the earth is at the centre of the universe. Now you are telling me you believe the earth not to be 4 billion years old, but don't believe it is flat. How do you know it isn't flat. The Bible thinks it is.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    No. So the status quo is that the laws of physics have remained constant. If evidence suggests otherwise, that view will change. That is the point. Science moves, ebbs and flows and new understanding comes forward. Creationism is constant.

    No I am not joking. You seem to be cherry picking. Certain phrases and workings in the Bible imply that the earth is flat, that it is the centre of the universe, that the moon emits light like the sun and that the earth is at the centre of the universe. Now you are telling me you believe the earth not to be 4 billion years old, but don't believe it is flat. How do you know it isn't flat. The Bible thinks it is.


    "No I am not joking. You seem to be cherry picking. Certain phrases and workings in the Bible imply that the earth is flat, that it is the centre of the universe, that the moon emits light like the sun and that the earth is at the centre of the universe. Now you are telling me you believe the earth not to be 4 billion years old, but don't believe it is flat. How do you know it isn't flat. The Bible thinks it is"


    Please provide the verses, thank you
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    (Original post by Maker)
    This thread proves religious people should not be allowed anywhere near education, yet a lot of religious people are involved so they can mess with young people's minds and screw them up as we have already seen with some posters on this thread.

    Lots of people's minds are already 'screwed up' unfortunately and without the grace of God they will continue to be so. When you open your mind up to all sorts of ungodly influences then you are blinded to the simplicity of belief in God and faith.

    Belief in God brings a whole host of health benefits. You want to remove this, based upon no firm foundation that God doesn't exist and we are just a development of a soup mix billions of years ago, that accidentally came into being.

    http://www.christianconcern.com/our-...edical-journal

    Without hope people are lost. God gives people hope. Without Christians working tirelessly for charities around the world the world would be a much sadder place, if it existed at all.
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    Lots of people's minds are already 'screwed up' unfortunately and without the grace of God they will continue to be so. When you open your mind up to all sorts of ungodly influences then you are blinded to the simplicity of belief in God and faith.

    Belief in God brings a whole host of health benefits. You want to remove this, based upon no firm foundation that God doesn't exist and we are just a development of a soup mix billions of years ago, that accidentally came into being.

    http://www.christianconcern.com/our-...edical-journal

    Without hope people are lost. God gives people hope. Without Christians working tirelessly for charities around the world the world would be a much sadder place, if it existed at all.
    We all know religious people only want to be involved with kids to indoctrinate them with lies, they know trying the same thing with adults would get them laughed out of the room. Look how well it worked on you.

    You really believe all those fairy tales about the Flood and turning water into wine like a third rate seaside magician.

    I bet you would teach kids the earth was flat and the sun went round the earth if you could get away with it.

    It would be funny if it was not so damaging.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    We all know religious people only want to be involved with kids to indoctrinate them with lies, they know trying the same thing with adults would get them laughed out of the room. Look how well it worked on you.

    You really believe all those fairy tales about the Flood and turning water into wine like a third rate seaside magician.

    I bet you would teach kids the earth was flat and the sun went round the earth if you could get away with it.

    It would be funny if it was not so damaging.
    "We all know religious people only want to be involved with kids to indoctrinate them with lies, they know trying the same thing with adults would get them laughed out of the room. Look how well it worked on you.You really believe all those fairy tales about the Flood and turning water into wine like a third rate seaside magician.I bet you would teach kids the earth was flat and the sun went round the earth if you could get away with it.It would be funny if it was not so damaging"


    You are so behind with the times it is almost funny.

    I would reply in more detail but I see you are the kind of atheist who comes up with nothing substantial to debate. You bulk out your reply by throwing insults to try and belittle me or whoever has a different outlook on the origins of life to you.

    You have no tolerance but then why would you, as a bunch of cells coming from nowhere and going no where. As is your belief.
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    "We all know religious people only want to be involved with kids to indoctrinate them with lies, they know trying the same thing with adults would get them laughed out of the room. Look how well it worked on you.You really believe all those fairy tales about the Flood and turning water into wine like a third rate seaside magician.I bet you would teach kids the earth was flat and the sun went round the earth if you could get away with it.It would be funny if it was not so damaging"


    You are so behind with the times it is almost funny.

    I would reply in more detail but I see you are the kind of atheist who comes up with nothing substantial to debate. You bulk out your reply by throwing insults to try and belittle me or whoever has a different outlook on the origins of life to you.

    You have no tolerance but then why would you, as a bunch of cells coming from nowhere and going no where. As is your belief.
    You should go to the Creationist museum in America, its like a Flintstones theme park. Its more Mickey Mouse than Disney World.

    http://creationmuseum.org/
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    Ok can no one please put on hate I am a neutral party with open mind here and I have been on the bounce between there being a creator or no creator , know science really well read lots of books .I used to believe in god and all that upto 16 then after reading lots of science books I got a bit hyped about thinking it is the answer for everything and god is fake and all.Time went past I am 18 now and I started to question myself that I am being too lazy maybe because I don't want to be praying or thinking about such a thing as an afterlife or any of that stuff. Now evoltuion is deffo real but it still doesn't end the idea of a possible creator. I have read about big bang and I also beleive it is absolutly real and true , but what doesn't add up is the law of physics when were they made and did they create themselves. Certainly the big bang occured and if we ignore what made it proceed as there has been some theories of what possibly made it proceed, the big bang happened and can't and be explained only if the law of physics have already been made before the big bang. This is the stomping point that changed my idea of the world that there is more likely to be creator, it doesn't mean its jesus or allah or whatever but it looks to me that there is a creator and science do is to attempt to describe these laws using symbolic language. We certainly cannot alter them so we really have no freewill at all as some atheist seem to believe. So I went on to a conclusion that there must be a creator but whether we are as important to him as religion claim or whether he even knows of our existence but just sees us as machines that recycle nutrients with no true purpose possibly just for his fun. So I still don't see how science have proved that a creator don't exist. Anyone care to discuss ?
 
 
 
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