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    (Original post by PQ)
    Theresa May doesn't have a great track record on that.

    Universities loathe her management of visas and immigration. She has seriously damaged the reputation of uk higher education around the world.
    Doesn't she know that our Universities are quite capable of damaging their reputations without her help ?
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    (Original post by Sisuphos)
    For as long as the UK remains in the EU, Germany and the UK share a common market. It would therefore be senseless for the UK to negotiate any trade deal with Germany alone whilst it still remains in the EU. If you're referring to the post-Brexit (after invoking article 50) period then again Germany can and will negotiate as part of the EU. It will have a prominent role anyway, there's again no reason why she should do it unilaterally.

    And they couldn't possibly do that. Merkel may be the boss but she also knows how damaging it would be to the unity of the EU to go at it alone. Her eastern allies will never forgive her and we must remember it is they that have supported her in the financial crisis not Italy, France, Portugal and Spain but rather Slovakia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, etc. She owes them big and they will never accept any deal which does not include free movement of labour.
    You are still struggling to understand.

    Malmstrom is saying that the UK cannot start negotiating a trade agreement with the EU not with Germany until it actually leaves the EU. I am saying that will be unacceptable to German, amongst others, because it leaves the remaining countries in a hiatus.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    If we end up with a Norway deal there'll be riots breaking out in the streets, UKIP will explode in popularity and there may even be assassination attempts on Theresa May. She can't risk it.
    Britain don't give in to terrorists, domestic or foreign.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Everything is fine, Canada is not in the EU and is doing ok. Also, we font vote for a PM in the UK, so it makes no difference that we have a new PM.
    The country is more divided than ever, there has been a dramatic increase in hate crimes, the economy is incredibly unstable, Scotland is leaving, the promises of the leave campaign have been revealed to be lies, Nigel Farage is happy, there is no guarantee a good deal will be achieved, our rights are being taken away and job losses are looming. Would hardly say everything is fine. *
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    Canada is very different from the UK. Canada is part of NAFTA, in 2012 was called by OECD the most educated country in the world and is a exporter of energy. Canada is fine outside the EU but that doesn't mean we will be like Canada. We could just as easily be like one of the many other countries outside the EU doing less well.*
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    Technically we are supposed to vote for our local MP but we all know its impacts the national outcome so lots of people vote according to that. People voting in David Cameron in charge of the Conversations leading Britain in the EU is very different from Therese May in charge of a Brexit government.*
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    The idea that May is not a skeptic shows a lack of awareness.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    You are still struggling to understand.

    Malmstrom is saying that the UK cannot start negotiating a trade agreement with the EU not with Germany until it actually leaves the EU. I am saying that will be unacceptable to German, amongst others, because it leaves the remaining countries in a hiatus.
    Sloppy reporting then. Invoking article 50 doesn't leave anyone "in a hiatus". The UK would still be in the EU up until the withdrawal agreement replaces the EU agreement.

    The 2 year period is for all intents and purposes fictional. The Council can extend it indefinitely if no withdrawal agreement is reached.

    1. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
    In other words, German manufacturers would still be able to export freely up until the agreement is reached (and also thereafter depending on the kind of the agreement). There will be a problem with consumer confidence/weak pound affecting German exports to the UK - it already exists. If that's what you mean by a "hiatus" then sure.
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    (Original post by Sisuphos)
    Sloppy reporting then. Invoking article 50 doesn't leave anyone "in a hiatus". The UK would still be in the EU up until the withdrawal agreement replaces the EU agreement.

    The 2 year period is for all intents and purposes fictional. The Council can extend it indefinitely if no withdrawal agreement is reached.
    [/list]In other words, German manufacturers would still be able to export freely up until the agreement is reached (and also thereafter depending on the kind of the agreement). There will be a problem with consumer confidence/weak pound affecting German exports to the UK - it already exists. If that's what you mean by a "hiatus" then sure.
    The hiatus is probably in reference to the fact that firms may delay investment and/or hiring until the agreement is reached.

    That said we could all be too pessimistic and it may be done in 6 months.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The hiatus is probably in reference to the fact that firms may delay investment and/or hiring until the agreement is reached.

    That said we could all be too pessimistic and it may be done in 6 months.
    But the point was that the commissioner didn't really mean (despite poor reporting) that no negotiations will take place "until the UK actually leaves" but rather "until article 50 is invoked" which doesn't really mean "until the UK actually leaves".
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    (Original post by Sisuphos)
    But the point was that the commissioner didn't really mean (despite poor reporting) that no negotiations will take place "until the UK actually leaves" but rather "until article 50 is invoked" which doesn't really mean "until the UK actually leaves".
    She didn't mean that at all. She considered that you spend up to two years under Article 50 negotiating "out" and then once you have left after the end of that negotiation or two years, you start negotiating a trade deal.

    What I am saying is that will be unacceptable to Europe's politicians.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    She didn't mean that at all. She considered that you spend up to two years under Article 50 negotiating "out" and then once you have left after the end of that negotiation or two years, you start negotiating a trade deal.

    What I am saying is that will be unacceptable to Europe's politicians.
    And I don't really care what the commissioners say, I would rather listen to the heads of state because they're the ones that will be "doing" the negotiations, and all they're saying is no informal discussion before article 50 (while probably doing so right now).

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    LOL, jealous Remainer haters are supporters of the racist EU
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    And I don't really care what the commissioners say, I would rather listen to the heads of state because they're the ones that will be "doing" the negotiations, and all they're saying is no informal discussion before article 50 (while probably doing so right now).

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    I agree with you there and that is really where I started this line before Sisuphos started questioning what the Commissioner was actually saying.
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    (Original post by WW3IsComing)
    The UKs death certificate has been signed now. She will for sure destroy this country.
    Yeah right... UK FTSE250 almost back up to pre Brex highs, pound recovering, rates being cut, economy recovering.

    You sound quite ignorant in face of this.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The idea that May is not a skeptic shows a lack of awareness.
    Indeed, in fact she is a sceptic but got behind Cameron for the sake of unity.
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    (Original post by UKCATrocks)
    Indeed, in fact she is a sceptic but got behind Cameron for the sake of unity.
    Loyalty.

    It's actually something i respect her for.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    If we end up with a Norway deal there'll be riots breaking out in the streets, UKIP will explode in popularity and there may even be assassination attempts on Theresa May. She can't risk it.
    Lol.

    The PM would have to be absolutely insane not to keep us in the single market (which we can only do if we keep free movement). Lots of big corporations have already said they would move most of their jobs out of the UK and into the EU if we leave the single market.

    Also, some plebs rioting in the streets didn't stop university fees rising.
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    (Original post by orton6)
    Lol.
    Also, some plebs rioting in the streets didn't stop university fees rising.
    Theresa May's relationship with the police has got a significant amount worse since the protests in 2011.
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    (Original post by orton6)
    We are still leaving Europe as a 2nd referendum is still rejected.

    Yes I can see us Brexiters have lost... :facepalm: :p:
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    (Original post by Boreism)
    We are still leaving Europe as a 2nd referendum is still rejected.

    Yes I can see us Brexiters have lost... :facepalm: :p:
    What use is leaving when almost everything is going to seem the same?
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    (Original post by orton6)
    What use is leaving when almost everything is going to seem the same?
    Because there is more to it than appearances to the man on the street

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