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    (Original post by SirMilkSheikh)
    America used to be the greatest nation on Earth. From the 1940s until perhaps the 90s, and especially in the 50s where other countries could only envy what it had. Now it's major cities are increasingly crime ridden ethnic ghettos, feminism is widespread and immigration is out of control. It's a shadow of its former self but still one the best countries.

    You can own guns, own large plots of land, and make it big if you know how to play your cards. Maybe I'll move there one day.
    Crime ridden ethnic ghettos???? FBI statistics: gun violence, across the board, down almost in half the last 40yrs. and dropping. All violent crime down 50% in the same time period.

    Widespread feminism---This can be good or this can be bad. May as well make the most of it.

    Immigration out of control-----Enter President Trump.

    Shadow of it's former self. Even the combined E.U. was two trillion behind us. That's after being screwed in trade deals, sending EVERY country, with a few exceptions, a welfare check every year, including the Brits, and footing half the bill for Europes defense. When Trump takes office all this charity gonna stop . I'd start banking a little cash.
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    (Original post by bolly_mad)
    You said America was great because European immigrants built it. I merely pointed out that they did so on land and with resources that were not theirs. I imagine that helped somewhat.

    But as I said, putting that to one side, European Americans make up the majority of the population and government......so what happened? Why are you blaming immigrants and 'ethnics', when they aren't (and never have been) the ones calling the shots in the US?
    Spare me the revisionist history crap. We settled this continent by the same rules the entire world went by. Your 2nd. paragraph describes the 50's exactly. Most social change in the U.S. doesn't begin in Congress. It begins at the grassroots level and " ethnics " and immigrants, Latinos in particular, are very good at getting bills before Congress.

    Just to add: If we had let the native East Coast Indians call the shots we'd still be squatting around campfires eating grubs.
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    Depends what you mean by great;

    In terms of being the richest nation, most successful companies it is
    In terms of wealth gap, social rights, debt, inequality, access to basic things like health care and so on not by a long long shot.

    In terms of the Greatest military and most international clout, again no. Its army has been embarssed not only in Iraq but Afghanistan countries it nominally could beat and hold successfully. Many countries or blocs can happily thumb their nose to america and it can do sod all in return such as Saudi, Rusia,China, the EU [technically]. The number of countries who are openly hostile to the US has also rocketed whilst in the old days they'd have simply seen their government deposed.
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    (Original post by Galaxie501)
    Assuming America was ever great, we can rest assured that it will not be if Clinton wins. Then again.... Trump....isnt the ideal choice either, to say the least.

    The United States have an extraordinarilly good mentality when it comes to personal freedom and entrepreneurship. It is found nowhere else in the world. However, the US has one of the worst healthcare and education systems of any Western country, and that is what pulls America down.
    I strongly disagree with your 1st. comment. In my opinion, a better candidate could not have been fielded had we been able to construct one from scratch.
    The man has lead a very public life to begin with. If there were anything substantive to him being a racist, bigot, treats women as anything other than equals, screwing people out of money through lawsuits, etc, etc, etc, it would be known. Usually a candidate has only the other political party to worry about. Trump has had even the Reps. trying to dig up dirt on him and they have found nothing that is sticking.
    Someone said that, " the business of America is business." The New York real estate market is brutal, to say the least. To take 1 million dollars and turn it into what he did is absolutely incredible and did it without screwing a lot of people. That is something Americans really respect. It takes a certain kind of person to accomplish what he has. It takes a diverse number of talents that you really can't learn.You either got it or you don't. It takes vision, incredible organisational skills, insane drive, the ability to follow through and the need to win that/s driven by an ego the size of New York. his ego is exactly the reason I'm voting for him.
    His ego will not allow him to lose or think himself anything but equal to anyone.
    The American Elite know all this is true and they don't know whether to sh-t or stand up and run.
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    (Original post by bolly_mad)
    Weak effort from a weak little man.
    Here are some interesting facts, the USA and its close ally, China could wipe most countries off the map if it wanted to. It's been done before, it can be done again, for example, when the US dropped bombs on Hiroshima in Japan, they had no choice but to surrender! The US could just as easily take out India, in a matter of seconds, and leave no trace of its existence. And there's nothing you can do about it!
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    (Original post by jeremy1988)
    I'm American. I think China is actually the greatest country in the world now, but America is still very powerful.

    The height of American power was between the 1960s and the early 2000s. I'm pretty sure America will never be what it was prior to 2008 ever again, between Obama and the housing crisis.

    Unless something can be done to reverse the trend the left has put us on towards European socialism, a weak military, and censorship laws, we'll be as irrelevant and useless as Europe on the world stage by the time Hilary gets done with us.

    It's annoying... the left is always holding up Europe and the EU as an example of what our nation should be. But they always ignore the problems with it. And the fact that Europeans aren't completely happy with the EU.

    Do you really believe that Europe is "irrelevant and useless" on the world stage?
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    The US is an interesting case.

    The median elementary to high school student is definitely not world-competitive, countries like Singapore and China outrank the United States by a country mile. The success and wealth of the US has always been within the upper-middle class, whose average earnings and educational attainments and research achievements has made the US a place with very high standards of living.

    The best students of China are about as good as the best students of the USA, but with a population several times as large. There is definitely an emerging middle-class in China and India, but manufacturing/blue-collar work still dominate their economies. Developed in China and Innovated in China is something to come, for now things are still Made in China.
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    (Original post by Dr Pesto)
    Do you really believe that Europe is "irrelevant and useless" on the world stage?
    Compared to the US, China, and Russia? Yes. Bear in mind that I'm talking in terms of power projection rather than "soft" power.

    European militaries are generally very weak, and they can't do much on their own unless they form complex political alliances. The three nations I've mentioned above have the advantage of being able to act unilaterally if necessary. Also, the US and China are the only countries in the tens of millions for GDP. The closest competing EU nation is Germany, and that only has a GDP of three or four million. It's not even a contest. Most other European nations have GDPs of two million or less. Many even have GDPs under one million. Europe has a lot of impossibly small countries like Belgium, Switzerland, and Luxembourg that are weak and would be absorbed by stronger neighbors if not for quirks in ancient treaties and alliances.

    I don't think the EU will ever match the US, Russia, or China because its parts are formed of culturally and linguistically disparate countries with a long history of bad blood who would resent being ruled over by another part or a representative of another part too much to allow it continually.

    Now, Europe does have quite a bit of soft power in terms of culture and setting global standards. Many people would envy the high standard of living, just laws, education, and socially liberal principles of European society (especially Western and Northern Europe). But that's not the same thing as real power. Real power is land, money, weapons, and men. No European nation still commands a significant proportion of these things globally, although they do have just enough to fend off their nearest neighbors if necessary.

    If you were to take the US, China, and Russia off the table... maybe they all have civil wars and get broken up into smaller territories, for instance. Then European countries are quite powerful relative to other states in the world. But you would have to take the big three off the table for European power to amount to anything.

    I know I probably sound arrogant, but that's mostly because I'm a citizen of the US and it may sound like I'm taking credit for this. But the truth is, I had nothing to do with it. US power is just a fact, and I only claim that the US is a superpower like China and Russia by the numbers, not that it's stronger than the other two. That's worth bearing in mind, along with the fact that I'm not the most diplomatic person in the world.
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    (Original post by bolly_mad)
    Well there's a whole other debate over which is more applicable, nominal or PPP GDP. I can't quite bring myself to make the effort over that debate, so we'll just agree to disagree. It's true that the dominance of the US dollar gives the US a huge amount of influence in the global economy....but.....it's a double edged sword since it's pretty much inevitable that the US dollar will not remain the sole reserve currency forever (already many nations are starting to diversity with the yuan, including the UK), and when it loses that status, the US's interest rate shoots up....and when you look at their debt.....not a good thing.

    The US is definitely at the forefront of technological innovation....right now. But officially China overtook the US in patent applications a few years ago, and the trend going forward is that while the US will continue to be a major innovator without doubt, it will certainly have competitors it did not have 15 years ago.

    Yeah, it's true that the US exerts a tremendous influence on other countries in diplomatic relations, especially with allies. That's undeniably true.

    Not too sure the ability to 'dismantle a smaller country' is the best yardstick to measure the US's military strength. Ultimately those smaller countries are not going to be the major threats/challenges to US authority, influence and prosperity. It's the US's ability to fight the bigger boys that matters. And looking at recent developments, such as the Chinese submarine that literally surfaced right in front of one of the US's supercarriers, with neither it, nor its support vessels technology being able to detect it, in a clear signal that if there had been a state of war, that submarine would have sunk the carrier, I think US power projection is not unchallenged anymore. It's telling that when the Russian's deployed their S400 systems in Syria (the West has no equivalent system by the way), the US pulled its fighters, including the F22 out of the airspace now dominated by the Russians, and even admitted that Russian anti air and electronic warfare systems deployed in Syria were far more advanced that they expected. Now imagine if the Russians sold those technologies to those smaller countries. What would that do to the US's ability to project power?

    I do think the standard of living at home is an important tool for projecting influence abroad. For example during the Cold War the Soviet Union was a vast and powerful state....that not many people wanted to move to. In contrast, the US had a superior standard of living and culture to the Soviets and that arguably was what won them the Cold War (increased exposure to the US standard of living led many Russians to demand the same, which led to the reforms that ultimately brought down the communist regime).
    Happy to not get into a debate about nominal vs PPP. For currency, it could be argued that its nature leans towards there being one global reserve currency. Forex transactions all go through the US dollar, and nobody has any incentive to overhaul the whole nature of currency exchange to replace the US dollar for another currency. That said, the future is really uncertain, but talking about the present day we can both agree on the status of the US dollar.*

    I'm actually really excited about technological innovation from China, India etc, but as it currently stands the most important new technologies do seem to be coming from the US. Totally agree that compared to a few decades ago their technological dominance has been eroded, but I think that in 2016 they're still at the front in terms in important tech.*

    I think it's actually the perfect yardstick. That is warfare in the 21st century, the political climate of the world is such that war between the nuclear powers is just not on the cards. The worst case scenario would be something like hostility due to war between allies, eg a Russian or Chinese ally being at war with a US ally, the likes of which we saw during the Cold War. This would suck for everyone, and I completely agree, the US's relative military strength means a lot less in this kind of situation.*

    Actuall,y I agree with your last point and hadn't thought of that. Still, the US does have the best universities in the world as far as research is concerned, and remains an extremely popular place for people to study from abroad. The east and west coast of the US are still very attractive places to work, and in many high paying industries you'll earn more working in the US than elsewhere. The American Dream still exists. For Europeans and other westerners, the things we hear more about are their relative inequality, police brutally and so on, though.

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    (Original post by bolly_mad)
    I don't really care about American politics. But I will say that I hope Trump wins.....just for the entertainment value.
    It will be entertaining.
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    (Original post by Orlanda)
    Im usually a big fan of Michelle Obama. But I wasn't a fan of what she said at the Democrat party convention.

    From BBC News:
    'Don't let anyone ever tell you that this country isn't great, that somehow we need to make it great again," she said, referring to Mr Trump's signature slogan "Make America Great Again"."Because this, right now, is the greatest country on earth," she added'

    What are your thoughts on this? Do you agree with Michelle?
    Depends on how you measure greatest.

    If you mean military then yes.
    If you mean economy then yes.
    If you mean power then yes.

    If you mean health care, education, standard of living then no

    And so on


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    (Original post by TaintedSoul)
    Here are some interesting facts, the USA and its close ally, China could wipe most countries off the map if it wanted to. It's been done before, it can be done again, for example, when the US dropped bombs on Hiroshima in Japan, they had no choice but to surrender! The US could just as easily take out India, in a matter of seconds, and leave no trace of its existence. And there's nothing you can do about it!
    You clearly have no idea that India has nuclear weapons......and the nuclear submarines to deliver them anywhere on the globe. Try reading up on second strike capability......moron.
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    (Original post by bolly_mad)
    You clearly have no idea that India has nuclear weapons......and the nuclear submarines to deliver them anywhere on the globe. Try reading up on second strike capability......moron.
    I have...now take your own advice...moron. India is a backwards third-world nation that has a lot of catching up to do, You will never see me defending this country on here. This is why indians who move out of india never want to go back. It has more people in poverty than there are in all of Black Africa combined. It's a wonder anyone can survive in a sh!thole like that!
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    (Original post by bolly_mad)
    You clearly have no idea that India has nuclear weapons......and the nuclear submarines to deliver them anywhere on the globe. Try reading up on second strike capability......moron.
    I have...now take your own advice...moron. India will always be looked upon as a backwards, 3rd world sh!thole. You will never see me defending this country on here. This is why indians who move out of india never want to go back. It has more people in poverty than there are in all of Black Africa combined. India = rape capital of the world! Same can be said for Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc. Have you forgotten about all the aid the US gives to these sh!tty countries just so that their population won't starve? Lets get this very clear, India was a sh!thole, is a sh!thole, and will always remain a sh!thole! You're clearly in denial to think otherwise.
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    America is undoubtably the greatest (followed by Britain when they were sending naval ships to Africa to cockblock slavers). The American Dream is the epitome of the human spirit to overcome. It's taken a downturn however.*

    But what drugs are you lot saying China taking? Yes, a place where criminals are arbitrarily taken away in euthanasia ambulances is GOAT :rolleyes:*
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    She lied. USA doesn't exist. Only PSA does. It's the Police States of America. And only police are great...not American people. Democracy & Liberty in US have just died.

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    (Original post by Rather_Cynical)
    The US is an interesting case.

    The median elementary to high school student is definitely not world-competitive, countries like Singapore and China outrank the United States by a country mile. The success and wealth of the US has always been within the upper-middle class, whose average earnings and educational attainments and research achievements has made the US a place with very high standards of living.

    The best students of China are about as good as the best students of the USA, but with a population several times as large. There is definitely an emerging middle-class in China and India, but manufacturing/blue-collar work still dominate their economies. Developed in China and Innovated in China is something to come, for now things are still Made in China.
    Maybe education is only one factor in the creation of a, " winning people". A pop. who takes success for granted. Examples in the U.S. of individuals creating large, successful businesses are many. Personally, I'm convinced the ability to stick with an idea, ignore negative comments, and be a good judge of people, would serve someone far better than a college degree. Without the traits I've just mentioned a degree is fairly worthless.
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    (Original post by skunkboy)
    She lied. USA doesn't exist. Only PSA does. It's the Police States of America. And only police are great...not American people. Democracy & Liberty in US have just died.

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    how brainwashed can you get lmao
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    (Original post by jeremy1988)
    Compared to the US, China, and Russia? Yes. Bear in mind that I'm talking in terms of power projection rather than "soft" power.

    European militaries are generally very weak, and they can't do much on their own unless they form complex political alliances. The three nations I've mentioned above have the advantage of being able to act unilaterally if necessary. Also, the US and China are the only countries in the tens of millions for GDP. The closest competing EU nation is Germany, and that only has a GDP of three or four million. It's not even a contest. Most other European nations have GDPs of two million or less. Many even have GDPs under one million. Europe has a lot of impossibly small countries like Belgium, Switzerland, and Luxembourg that are weak and would be absorbed by stronger neighbors if not for quirks in ancient treaties and alliances.

    I don't think the EU will ever match the US, Russia, or China because its parts are formed of culturally and linguistically disparate countries with a long history of bad blood who would resent being ruled over by another part or a representative of another part too much to allow it continually.

    Now, Europe does have quite a bit of soft power in terms of culture and setting global standards. Many people would envy the high standard of living, just laws, education, and socially liberal principles of European society (especially Western and Northern Europe). But that's not the same thing as real power. Real power is land, money, weapons, and men. No European nation still commands a significant proportion of these things globally, although they do have just enough to fend off their nearest neighbors if necessary.

    If you were to take the US, China, and Russia off the table... maybe they all have civil wars and get broken up into smaller territories, for instance. Then European countries are quite powerful relative to other states in the world. But you would have to take the big three off the table for European power to amount to anything.

    I know I probably sound arrogant, but that's mostly because I'm a citizen of the US and it may sound like I'm taking credit for this. But the truth is, I had nothing to do with it. US power is just a fact, and I only claim that the US is a superpower like China and Russia by the numbers, not that it's stronger than the other two. That's worth bearing in mind, along with the fact that I'm not the most diplomatic person in the world.
    Hard power now counts for very little.

    You see someone invade someone else... and simply put, the world burns. We have learn't that lesson already. It is pretty clear now that wars are waged differently...

    You can suit yourself if you prefer military might rather than an actual decent country - cause at the moment as it is currently, standards in the USA are pretty much a joke to the rest of the developed world. I genuinely feel sad for how bad things have become over there.

    How are Europe's armies weak? Even if you do think about military power - the military forces of Europe are equally as advanced and in many cases as experienced as those of the US (UK, France, Germany); and if not subdued straight away would I assume beat the USA in a war of attrition (from my limited knowledge). Europe has vastly greater soft power as well (USA has made itself hated around the globe). Russia just has many tanks and has an expenditure of less than even the UK... but sure, it is a major producer of arms (as is the US, UK, France, Germany), so I don't see why it is worthy of special consideration.
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    (Original post by Alextaylor6)
    how brainwashed can you get lmao
    If you wanna play stupid games,just find other people,baby.
 
 
 
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