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    (Original post by HFBS)
    I can't believe that this turned into a bunch of people trying to justify rape, and having to be told that nothing justifies it.

    I am sure that women do this already. I know I have done on holiday at the beach. I wouldn't at an indoor pool, as there would be no reason to; I'm not getting a tan and waves aren't tearing the bikini off. At an outdoor pool it would depend on the pool owner's rules and who was present.
    Disgusting, isn't it?

    Apparently some people have very questionable morals. If they get aroused then they are entitled to the nearest piece of flesh. Makes you wonder who taught them their basic manners. -_-
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    Love how everyone in this thread has forgotten that there isn't a law against women being topless at all. There is a public indecency law, but that doesn't comprehensively cover breasts.

    If you go to any European beach (apart from those dominated by Brits), you will see hundreds of German/French/Spanish women of many ages topless. It's quite disturbing actually, not being able to look anywhere without seeing some tits, it's very weird. Guess that's Europeans for you.

    I'm against women being able to go topless. It's the same as a man having his **** out- it's a part of the body that the opposite sex is inherently interested in and sometimes fascinated by. A man's chest is just doesn't have the same sexual attractiveness as a woman's boobs.
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    Sure if they want to.
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    On behalf of the patriarchy let me say that I've no idea where some feminists got the idea that we were against topless women, you are absolutely free to go for it.
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    (Original post by richpanda)
    . It's the same as a man having his **** out- it's a part of the body that the opposite sex is inherently interested in and sometimes fascinated by. A man's chest is just doesn't have the same sexual attractiveness as a woman's boobs.
    First of all, I love me some good pecs. Second, people are only inherently interested in breasts because of breasts being covered up to begin with. You see tribal women with the gals out all the time and the TV reporter isn't following them around with a roaring stiffy. Because it's not sexual - it's their way of life. But the West, the only time people are really accustomed to seeing breasts is foreign beaches, yes, but primarily during sex or watching porn. They're heavily sexualised purely because it's less acceptable for women to get them out than men (which has its basis in religious modesty). When the weather got warm, if you saw as many women topless as men, sure you'd start to lose that feeling that breasts are sooo arousing.

    So far the only argument I'm hearing against women having the same T-shirt freedoms as men is that men for some reason think they don't have to control themselves and can claim the body of the nearest woman if she has her boobs out. That problem is entirely your own to sort out. You're doing your gender a disservice if you think you can't wait until you get to the nearest bathroom before knocking one out after seeing a boob. Perhaps invest in a chastity device before going to the beach again if you're that uncontrollable, fellas o.O

    Any actual real differences we can debate on?
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    (Original post by limetang)
    On behalf of the patriarchy let me say that I've no idea where some feminists got the idea that we were against topless women, you are absolutely free to go for it.
    Thanks for the support hun, but apparently some people think it's okay to rape a topless woman so we need to be covered up for our own protection. Mental isn't it.
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    The world isnt ready to see topless women sadly. Untill all men in the world develop self control. Then women can go topless.
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    Yes if they want to.
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    (Original post by 1010marina)
    Thanks for the support hun, but apparently some people think it's okay to rape a topless woman so we need to be covered up for our own protection. Mental isn't it.
    I wouldn't know, I haven't read most of the pages of this thread.
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    (Original post by kangsterf)
    But it's not a sexual organ at all. A woman's breasts are just lumps of fat with nipples on them, surely not sexual?
    Secondary sexual characteristic.

    Saying they're not sexual doesn't change the fact they are.

    I know it's popular in some circles to consider that a "socialized" concept, but it's been with us since the beginning.
    People in that instance then point to tribes and societies where women go topless and say "see?? not sexual", except they seem to overlook that man CAN control themselves, especially if they're raised with tits out.

    Just as any guy here who's been in a long-term relationship can overlook his partner's tits hanging out around the house....until sexytime is on.

    I can go to a nudist beach and see tits everywhere and control myself, ignore it, take on that doctor-like 'professional' attitude towards them easy enough.

    But at the end of the day (in many cases literally...) boobs are part of the sexual appeal of women. When I get to properly admire a pair and touch them and go to town on them it serves to get me nice and interested in the sex soon to come.

    After all if breasts hadn't been evolutionarily selected as a sexual characteristic, women wouldn't be walking round with tits to need to cover or argue over not covering. They'd all be flat-chested.


    TL;DR Boobs are a secondary sexual characteristic, and while men can control ourselves (most of us...), and while we could possibly have a "topless" society, when it comes down to the hard cold facts, boobs = sexually arousing for the majority of men.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    You're speaking of primitive cultures where the notion of rape is seriously different from ours. I don't think that you really want to make a comparison with these peoples, unless you can prove that rape doesn't exist among them.
    Ah yes, all those primitive Spaniards, living in mud huts and walking 10 miles a day to fetch water.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    Not to you, maybe, but to others they might.

    They should. Likewise they should be allowed to breastfeed anywhere where it's safe and hygienic to do so.
    Even to women it doesn't seem to be the same from what I can tell.
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    (Original post by jb1702)
    I think they should have the right to choose to if they want to, it is their bodies. It also might start to desexualise women's breasts over time as people become more accepting and are less shocked when they see a woman topless. It could also be the next step in a trend of women having more freedom in clothes as we've already had short skirts, tight jeans, spaghetti straps, crop tops, and bikinis, which women are free to choose to wear or not to wear as they want
    But breasts will always be sexualised... I don't understand your point.

    Breasts are part of a woman's body (obvs) which is what us (straight) men are attracted to? To what extent do you wish them to be desexualised?
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    I was recently in New York City and there was crowds of people hanging out in the park. One black woman was topless and no one gave a ****. It was just like "oh ok". I certainly didn't feel turned on like people in this thread have been suggestion.
    Maybe she didn't fit your sexual preference? I don't get a raging boner from every single woman...
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    (Original post by Another)
    Ah yes, all those primitive Spaniards, living in mud huts and walking 10 miles a day to fetch water.
    Spanish women don't walk topless in the streets. A few go topless at the beach. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    But breasts will always be sexualised... I don't understand your point.

    Breasts are part of a woman's body (obvs) which is what us (straight) men are attracted to? To what extent do you wish them to be desexualised?
    200 years ago, ankles were sexualised. 100 years ago, stomachs were sexualised. In some cultures, even today, the hair on a woman's head is sexualised. It's more the fact that we don't see breasts and are expected to find them sexual, rather than there being anything that's hardwired in a straight male's brain that makes them sexually attractive. Also, there was a time before people had clothes, and evolutionarily and biologically, we have changed very little since then. Pressumably, breasts weren't sexualised then, people would have seen them practically non stop since birth. I think there is further evidence of this from relatively undisturbed tribes, who are genetically the same as us, but women don't wear anything over their chests and breats aren't sexualised there
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    (Original post by 1010marina)
    Or, perhaps - the only times you ever see breasts is immediately before sex or masturbating, so you're accustomed to seeing them sexually. If I see a pec however, is more likely to be a chav drinking Carling on a hot day wearing adidas joggers.

    Next, you absolute misogynistic flower, women also have sexual reactions to things - but we don't feel the need to "ACT" on it. You wait until you are in a private place and take care of that urge if you need to. You don't think we get all hot and bothered when we see a nice pec or some abs? Sure we do. We're just taught that it's not socially acceptable to slobber after other people. Perhaps if you men were taught the same you'd find it easier to control yourself.

    If you are really so incapable of controlling yourself when you see a breast - because not every single one you see in your life will not be on a woman that consents to sex with you - then you need professional help. And teaching that if you see a woman's body (or any body), your reaction isn't too pop a boner or "act" on your urges - you need to remind yourself that that wet hole you fancy diving into is, in fact, a body part of another sentient human being. You have no claim to it. If you pop a boner you don't have right to stick your penis into whatever you fancy. You're not an animal, you're perfectly capable of controlling yourself. So don't blame another person's body for your own, disgusting, lack of self control.

    Tl;dr
    Yes, we should be able to topless if men do ^^ free ALL the nipples, or keep all the nipples locked away. The thought that women's bodies are more sexual than men's is ridiculous. No, we are taught from a young age that men are allowed to be overtly sexual and women aren't. Change the teaching - change the thought.
    Slayyyyy

    (Original post by PHD2027)
    cant be bothered to read it, next time make it shorter. like 4 lines or something
    With your misogynistic views I'm surprised you even have the capacity to read in the first place.
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    They already are.
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    Why has my post vanished? I don't even have a TSR notification?

    Anyway, I will repeat what I said.

    Women should be forced to cover up, legally hopefully, more so that I am not tempted to do anything.
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Maybe she didn't fit your sexual preference? I don't get a raging boner from every single woman...
    If you look at the posts near mine you'd see that some people were saying men cannot control themselves around boobs - all boobs. I was just highlighting that it's possible to see a pair and not have the world end.
 
 
 
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