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    Surely my record in the house shows that the party would have an active role? I may be a new MP but I have been in many debates and have proposed many bills (none have to front yet).
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    I disagree with some of your main principles and am more than a little wary of your profile picture but after reading about the fates of other parties will wish you luck anyway
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    (Original post by TitanCream)
    Surely my record in the house shows that the party would have an active role? I may be a new MP but I have been in many debates and have proposed many bills (none have to front yet).
    It shows it would be dependent on you.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It shows it would be dependent on you.
    Nigel's a very active member too so that we make at least 2 if he defected.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    Nigel's a very active member too so that we make at least 2 if he defected.
    Nigel isn't and shouldn't be a Libertarian. If he's in the Libertarian's and dictating or pushing policy, they won't be a Libertarian Party at all.


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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It shows it would be dependent on you.
    Not being Libertarian does not matter because Lime-man proves a member can move from the Socialists to the Conservatives in a year, and the Liberal Party proves members do not need to believe in something to be a member of a party.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Not being Libertarian does not matter because Lime-man proves a member can move from the Socialists to the Conservatives in a year, and the Liberal Party proves members do not need to believe in something to be a member of a party.
    Lime Man does believe in One Nation conservatism though. Your views have not changed, your a true blue Tory rather than especially libertarian.
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    (Original post by Galaxie501)
    Because hard drugs, such as LSD and cocaine make people prone to violent impulses, as far as Im concerned. Marijuana does not do this. This would collide with the principle "do whatever you like as long as you dont harm others"
    If I'm wrong I will happily re-evalute my stance on this.

    Well, liberals are in fact more authoritarian than libertarians, which is why there is a huge difference between them. Furthermore there liberals are almost exclusively on the left of the political spectrum.
    Cannabis and MDMA are actually safer than alcohol and tobacco. You might want to look up Professor David Nutt, he's a neuroscientist and former doctor that does research into the effects of psychoactive drugs on the brain. Plus, psychedelics have shown to be promising in alleviating depression and so has ketamine. Obviously, the same can't be said for alcohol and tobacco which have no benefits for the brain, they just damage it. I'd really recommend you to watch this lecture (it's long but definitely worth it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYcBxYe7X-s
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    (Original post by Galaxie501)
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    As a libertarian, are you pro open borders, or no?

    Also, what would being a member of the TSR libertarian party entail?
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It shows it would be dependent on you.
    Not really, I just happen to have experience but only months ago I was a nobody here
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    (Original post by TitanCream)
    Not really, I just happen to have experience but only months ago I was a nobody here
    What does this party offer you that the Liberals don't?
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    What does this party offer you that the Liberals don't?
    A right wing approach to the economy in most if not all elements.
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    (Original post by TitanCream)
    A right wing approach to the economy in most if not all elements.
    And what Libertarian stuff do the Tories not support that you'd get from here (actually had no idea you were that right wing economically).
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    (Original post by TitanCream)
    A right wing approach to the economy in most if not all elements.
    I mean, the Liberals do this atm.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    And what Libertarian stuff do the Tories not support that you'd get from here (actually had no idea you were that right wing economically).
    I am super right wing which sometimes makes me reluctant to support bills on welfare but I accept it as a necessary evil if you like, I know it's not an evil before someone says so. Unlike the tories a libertarian is committed to giving people freedom, think of the new right in the sense that Thatcher completely deregulated the markets and economy but she didn't deliver same sex marriage, in fact it was under her ministry that section 28 was introduced. A libertarian would argue the state has little to no moral influence on telling the citizen what is acceptable and what is not. Certain things would obviously have to be regulated by the law such as murder or violent crime but things such as same sex marriage must be allowed for the citizens individual freedom. A libertarian is economically tory and socially Liberal with elements of the Labour movement socially. To state that libertarian is conservatism isn't too far a suggestion but ultimately the social aspects is to allow the citizens to have choice and to not control their lives through paternalistic legislation.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I mean, the Liberals do this atm.
    Not always, when I proposed cutting benefits for offenders my ideas were not welcomed.
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    (Original post by TitanCream)
    I am super right wing which sometimes makes me reluctant to support bills on welfare but I accept it as a necessary evil if you like, I know it's not an evil before someone says so. Unlike the tories a libertarian is committed to giving people freedom, think of the new right in the sense that Thatcher completely deregulated the markets and economy but she didn't deliver same sex marriage, in fact it was under her ministry that section 28 was introduced. A libertarian would argue the state has little to no moral influence on telling the citizen what is acceptable and what is not. Certain things would obviously have to be regulated by the law such as murder or violent crime but things such as same sex marriage must be allowed for the citizens individual freedom. A libertarian is economically tory and socially Liberal with elements of the Labour movement socially. To state that libertarian is conservatism isn't too far a suggestion but ultimately the social aspects is to allow the citizens to have choice and to not control their lives through paternalistic legislation.
    That's a good definition of libertarianism but of the two policies you've discussed (seeing welfare as a necessary evil and gay marriage) the Tories on here mostly support both.

    These overlaps on here will allow us to starve your party of new members and you'll once again die.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    That's a good definition of libertarianism but of the two policies you've discussed (seeing welfare as a necessary evil and gay marriage) the Tories on here mostly support both.

    These overlaps on here will allow us to starve your party of new members and you'll once again die.
    Yes but unlike the tories we would be genuinely in favour of it, many tories are strongly opposed to same sex marriage.
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    (Original post by TitanCream)
    Yes but unlike the tories we would be genuinely in favour of it, many tories are strongly opposed to same sex marriage.
    In RL, sure. Most are fine with it on here even if its not a priority issue.

    My point is that the last libertarian party died because the niche it had was too small. Now given that we are certainly not going to stop going for people just to let you guys, why are we to believe you won't be starved again.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    In RL, sure. Most are fine with it on here even if its not a priority issue.

    My point is that the last libertarian party died because the niche it had was too small. Now given that we are certainly not going to stop going for people just to let you guys, why are we to believe you won't be starved again.
    We can't answer that and ultimately, no one can so we at least deserve the opportunity and chance to establish ourselves. How can we be judged when we haven't even been given a shot? And I'm baffled as to why it would be such an issue if we weren't active, all you'd need to do is delete us and that's over. Us being inactive doesn't make the commons less formidable.
 
 
 
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