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    None of your business.
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    (Original post by alcibiade)
    None of your business.
    It's everyone's business actually because all of us pay tax. Although not all poor people with children claim benefits the majority do.
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    I live in a poor area, and I work at a school is a very poor area. Unemployment is very high and income is extremely low. Kids are clothed in hand me downs and most of the parents have to decide wether to buy electric or a loaf of bread..

    By having lots of children, the family get a decent house (bigger than mine which i own and have 3 children) and get a good income in child benefits.
    I totally get why they do it, it's the system that has caused it, it's allowed this situation to happen. I have friends who are both fully qualified teachers, have been for about 15 years, have 3 children and have just given up their jobs to live off the state. They have more income than they did by both working!! Now whos to blame for that?

    Back to the point, one thing about poor people and their children...they are the nicest children I know. They have manners, are polite and are grateful. Other children I've worked with in richer schools ar nasty, selfish, rude and nasty to their elders! Don't even get me started on their parents!!
    Some of the poor parents are the loveliest people I know. Hence why I prefere living in a poor area than a posh area...
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    I grew up in an estate surrounded by people like this. I worked hard, moved on and up.
    I occasionally go back to visit a friend and see whole extended families, two generations on, still living like this.
    It' wouldn't be my choice to live like that, but it is theirs and they are more than happy with it.
    I would hate to live their life but many of them consider me a mug.
    There is money in kids when you get to larger families. The lazy stupid ****, Mick Philpot, that killed his five kids faking a fire to get a move to a newer bigger council house is a prime example of where two or three generations of benefits culture can lead.
    On the other hand plenty of the poor have had their kids at a time when they could afford them and fallen on hard times through I'll health or even just divorce.
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    Alot of people may not be able to afford condoms. They enjoy sex and this leads to pregnancy. Mother becomes too attched to 'get rid' of the child, so keeps it.
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    (Original post by catholicgirl)
    I don't understand why people who can barely afford to look after themselves will then bring children into the world who will grow up with a low standard of living.
    Sometimes poor people werent poor at the time they had kids.
    Some poor people give their kids a very good life and upbringing, throwing money at parenting and packing them off to boarding school doesnt always equal success
    Some poor people dont always stay poor.
    Sometimes life happens..
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    He says whilst then demanding / forcing everybody else to pay for those kids
    It’s a lot better than forcing people to pay for unjust wars, the EU, and trident, as well as massive fact government official’s pay.

    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Throw in Free healthcare, free prescriptions, free dentisry, free school clothes, free education, free house, Free childcare, energy / clothes / food subsidies and add more roads, hospitals, schools, houses, infrastracture... NOW do the maths. This guy makes it out like its £33 quid a week whilst positively alluding the Tory benefit cap as something good, when its likely he vehemently protested against it and would repeal it in a heartbeat if he had the chance

    Maybe all these kids grow up to be doctors and engineers though or maybe most follow in their terrible parents footstops by making bad choices with many resorting to crime and most working low paying jobs
    I actually support a benefits cap. It’s economically viable and sensible. Don’t assume things. And plus, all those benefits, such as the "Free healthcare, free prescriptions, free dentisry, free school clothes, free education, free house, Free childcare, energy / clothes / food subsidies and add more roads, hospitals, schools, houses, infrastructure” that you mentioned are what exactly what kids need most to get ahead in life, especially if they’re from lower-income backgrounds.
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    (Original post by woodchuck)
    currently working tax credits can be up to £60 per child per week depending on what you earn.thats about £3000 per child, per year. starts to look very attractive to have lots of children if you are poor.someone on £10,000 per year could easily double or triple his 'income' depending on how many children he has.
    Yes, but again there is a benefits cap of £20k, or £23k in London, per household.
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    It’s a lot better than forcing people to pay for unjust wars, the EU, and trident, as well as massive fact government official’s pay.
    Yes i agree, 3 wrongs dont make it ok to make a fourth wrong though

    (Original post by frankielogue)
    I actually support a benefits cap. It’s economically viable and sensible. Don’t assume things. And plus, all those benefits, such as the "Free healthcare, free prescriptions, free dentisry, free school clothes, free education, free house, Free childcare, energy / clothes / food subsidies and add more roads, hospitals, schools, houses, infrastructure” that you mentioned are what exactly what kids need most to get ahead in life, especially if they’re from lower-income backgrounds.
    I understand that and of course again, i agree but why should it always come at other peoples expense? Why can't people who havent had the fortune or done ok in the genetic lottery to get ahead to make a comfortable life just not have children? I'm not suggesting people should have £200,000 saved before conceiving a child, i am saying its unfair and unjust that ignorant selfish people choose to have children when they have no property and -£850 to their name simply because they want want want without clearly and knowingly not being able to afford
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Yes i agree, 3 wrongs dont make it ok to make a fourth wrong though



    I understand that and of course again, i agree but why should it always come at other peoples expense? Why can't people who havent had the fortune or done ok in the genetic lottery to get ahead to make a comfortable life just not have children? I'm not suggesting people should have £200,000 saved before conceiving a child, i am saying its unfair and unjust that ignorant selfish people choose to have children when they have no property and -£850 to their name simply because they want want want without clearly and knowingly not being able to afford
    Yeah, but I’m trying to say that we’re much better spending it to allow poor kids have a decent upbringing is better than spending it on worse things. However, I do think that there should be a cap of 2 or 3 kids receiving benefits to stop exploitation of the system. And they should be able to have kids because it’s an amazing opportunity and a necessity in life to have the chance to raise your own children, and watch them become a success, so that you know you’ve done ok in life, because you’ve made it better for someone else. You could say the same about it being at others expense for virtually all of the government budget. The idea is that we all chip in a bit so that we can all be better off, and it’s better that then people starving or kids focusing on whether they can eat today over focusing on their education.
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    Yeah, but I’m trying to say that we’re much better spending it to allow poor kids have a decent upbringing is better than spending it on worse things. However, I do think that there should be a cap of 2 or 3 kids receiving benefits to stop exploitation of the system. And they should be able to have kids because it’s an amazing opportunity and a necessity in life to have the chance to raise your own children, and watch them become a success, so that you know you’ve done ok in life, because you’ve made it better for someone else. You could say the same about it being at others expense for virtually all of the government budget. The idea is that we all chip in a bit so that we can all be better off, and it’s better that then people starving or kids focusing on whether they can eat today over focusing on their education.
    Its not a necessity though and just because someone has kids does not make the parents a success .. not when virtually everything was given to the kids by other people. Breeding is not hard nor a barometer for "success" by any objective measure (Unless you look like that ugly blubbery fish, then well played)
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    "Why do poor people have children?" said someone with the username "CATHOLICgirl"
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    wow so many c**ty people on this thread.

    stop letting other peoples life choices bother you and get on with your own ****ing lives
    i can guarantee at least half the people who have commented, your parents were in a poor state of life at some point whilst raising you but they choose not to let their kids know or see this and give everything they have to their children, who eventually turn into bratty little know it all's whose opinions are bigger their their genitals and then end up commenting on baity threads on TSR
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    (Original post by shawtyb)
    wow so many c**ty people on this thread.

    stop letting other peoples life choices bother you and get on with your own ****ing lives
    i can guarantee at least half the people who have commented, your parents were in a poor state of life at some point whilst raising you but they choose not to let their kids know or see this and give everything they have to their children, who eventually turn into bratty little know it all's whose opinions are bigger their their genitals and then end up commenting on baity threads on TSR
    Why cant you stop letting other peoples choices to complain about this bother you and get on with your own life?
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Why cant you stop letting other peoples choices to complain about this bother you and get on with your own life?
    dont bother me at all, simple giving my opinion like the others are
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    I don’t think you understand how little child benefits are.
    Eldest/Only child = £20.70 a week
    Other children = £13.70
    Don’t forget the benefit cap.
    So personally you are bearing a tiny part of this, considering over 30million people are working and paying taxes
    Labour are socialist scum. #VoteConservative for equitable, fair society, to get what you earn, and not steal from others via benefits.
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    Somewhere like rural India its fair enough, they need more bodies for lifting and carrying and the life expectancy/infant mortality rates are respectively low/high - plus they get married young so the kids are at least legitimate.

    Unfortunately the main reason that I can gather for white Brits having kids young is a mixture of immorality, personal sloppiness, vanity, ignorance, family history of young mothers, greed...
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Its not a necessity though and just because someone has kids does not make the parents a success .. not when virtually everything was given to the kids by other people. Breeding is not hard nor a barometer for "success" by any objective measure (Unless you look like that ugly blubbery fish, then well played)
    I guess it’s what you measure society by and see as a necessity yourself. Personally, I measure a government by how it treats it’s worse off citizens and citizens in general and I see a safety net and the opportunity to live a decent life a necessity
 
 
 
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