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    (Original post by inhuman)
    Yes.
    A strange use of the word 'community', then, but in that case we have no further cause for disagreement.
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    (Original post by lawyer3c)
    A strange use of the word 'community', then, but in that case we have no further cause for disagreement.
    Well in German we have a word, Umfeld, and I tried to think of an equivalent and community was the best I could come up with. I didn't think it would lead to such dispute lol
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    I feel bad for writing this but I can't imagine a life where you pretend to be someone you're not
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    I'm going to keep this post short as I can't be bothered to type out loads of advice due to the likely event that it will be ignored completely.

    1) If your mum objects she is not a good mother and you should try and ignore the subsequent fall out.

    2) Just because you go to university close to home that does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that you have to live at home. You are well with in your rights to apply for university housing down the street to your family home if need be. You will have it approved no questions asked. Tell your mum you want to be independent and move out. If she asks why tell her it's none of her ****ing business.

    3) Apostasy is a crime to some within the Islamic community. Tell your friends of your plan and have them look out for you. Do not trust anyone even uncles or brothers etc.

    TL;DR just do what you want. This is the United Kingdom, the bastion of freedom and acceptance (contrary to what the social justice morons will tell you) Do what you want and be proud of it. The sooner you "come out" the better. Ask any lgbt person.
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    (Original post by Reformed)
    Dubai does corruption and black market money like the most greedy western capitalist could only dream of.
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    if she does that, then she would be islamic at all ,seeing as her original ancestors were most likely converted at some point by some invading islamic force to asia or africa.


    people flock to the west because its proven to be the most successful, progressive advanced and educated since the industrial revolution. the biggest migrations to West are muslims fleeing the islamic world. no suggestion it is perfect and hasnt been going back to its imperialistic roots, but its the best system human race has come up with in last 10,000 years.
    In terms of islamic culture, its shown nothing to anyone that it is superior to anyone, not the west, not even communist east. despite conquering billions of people in its own imperialistic heydey, all its offerred the world is 1400 years of sectarian war and nowadays backward thinking intolerance and terrorism. its only muslims that buy the suggestion that mohammed was a great role model- noone else does. if it were fact, we'd all be copying mohammed, not copying the 'football watching, money making, infrastructure building, education seeking, globally trading western society that the entire globe models its cities on- including the islamic world
    The west is no doubt very progressive and in some ways quite successful, but its become flabby and decadent. Families are dysfunctional, they dont educate and discipline the young properly and boy is it starting to show; there are very few English people doing decent courses at the good unis now, its mostly funnily enough people from Asian backgrounds. Most of the doctors, economists, dentists, IT people - very few of them are native. A large proportion of young natives now if they arent delinquent chavs are becoming homosexual cuckolds lured in to studying *******s about women and the environment when we really want these ***** to be building bridges and splitting atoms. All the western accomplishments came from decades/centuries ago, but what are the bloated ****tards doing now? Its all gone to China, India, Middle East because even if they aren't following the Quran, the South Asian principles ensure that the bedrock of society, the conventional nuclear family, is maintained rigorously.

    Best thing for westerners to do now is go right back to their Christian roots. I have no problem with Christianity, if it gets people to church every week and provides that core moral framework then fair play. Get the youth off of their computers, their phones, their social networking, twitter, tinder and all the rest of it and get em in the gym or doing hard physical jobs in the community or studying medicine. No more homosexual cuckolded flabby deliquency but traditional family/gender/community roles, which of course Islam provides second to none.
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    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    The west is no doubt very progressive and in some ways quite successful, but its become flabby and decadent. Families are dysfunctional, they dont educate and discipline the young properly and boy is it starting to show; there are very few English people doing decent courses at the good unis now, its mostly funnily enough people from Asian backgrounds. Most of the doctors, economists, dentists, IT people - very few of them are native. A large proportion of young natives now if they arent delinquent chavs are becoming homosexual cuckolds lured in to studying *******s about women and the environment when we really want these ***** to be building bridges and splitting atoms. All the western accomplishments came from decades/centuries ago, but what are the bloated ****tards doing now? Its all gone to China, India, Middle East because even if they aren't following the Quran, the South Asian principles ensure that the bedrock of society, the conventional nuclear family, is maintained rigorously.

    Best thing for westerners to do now is go right back to their Christian roots. I have no problem with Christianity, if it gets people to church every week and provides that core moral framework then fair play. Get the youth off of their computers, their phones, their social networking, twitter, tinder and all the rest of it and get em in the gym or doing hard physical jobs in the community or studying medicine. No more homosexual cuckolded flabby deliquency but traditional family/gender/community roles, which of course Islam provides second to none.
    traditional roles, so what your saying is a women should be in the kitchen well thats just wrong.
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    Leave the religion then..

    Oh wait...you can't as you'll be killed for doing so.

    So much for the "religion of peace"
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    (Original post by john1332123)
    traditional roles, so what your saying is a women should be in the kitchen well thats just wrong.
    Women in the domestic, pastoral fold and men in the corporate/physical environment. That is close to our biological roots and how we have adapted since time immemorial. Progressiveism is killing the West these days.
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    (Original post by john1332123)
    traditional roles, so what your saying is a women should be in the kitchen well thats just wrong.
    Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

    let me ask you do you really believe in that answer the question please.
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    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    Women in the domestic, pastoral fold and men in the corporate/physical environment. That is close to our biological roots and how we have adapted since time immemorial. Progressiveism is killing the West these days.
    Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]" let me ask you do you really believe in that answer the question please.
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    (Original post by john1332123)
    Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]" let me ask you do you really believe in that answer the question please.
    I think Mohammad also said the value of a mother was worth 3 times that of a father - some lecture Zakir Naik gave online I'll see if I can find it.....
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I am a 19 year old muslim female. On the surface, I appear to be the ideal muslim e.g. I wear the hijab, my clothes aren't very fitted (although I do wear skinny jeans- all my tops have to go past my bum). But I'm sick of it. After researching Islam, I don't identify with any of it. I genuinely believe religion is bs.

    The thing is, I live in an area which is full of judgemental muslims and my mum would die of shame if I was to take my scarf off and start dressing how I want to (my father died when I was young so she wants her daughters to be seen as respectable as opposed to 'loose'. This year, I gained a place at manchester uni and I saw this as my way out, I thought going to uni away from home would allow me to dress and live how I wanted to. However, I missed the grades for manchester and had to settle for a uni closer to home so now I'm going to be living at home for uni.

    So my dilemma is :should I just stick it out for 3 years and move away when I have a job or should I work hard at uni and transfer to a different uni for second year (but I fear being lonely cause everyone will know each other from first year)..whenever I stay over with my friends at their unis, I just love the freedom available to me and all I want is to live my life the way I want to live it rather than adhering to the rules of a religion which I do not identify with
    Why not go back to your own country then?
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    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    I think Mohammad also said the value of a mother was worth 3 times that of a father - some lecture Zakir Naik gave online I'll see if I can find it.....
    But Mohammad was a pedophile so why the hell would you listen to it? Yes that's right, Mohammad is an it. Pedophiles like it shouldn't be regarded by he or she as they are subhuman scum.

    Stop trying to ignore the fact Islam is a backwards ideology that hates women and homosexuals.
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    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    I think Mohammad also said the value of a mother was worth 3 times that of a father - some lecture Zakir Naik gave online I'll see if I can find it.....
    Quran (4:24) and Quran (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.

    Quran (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they make more reliable witnesses.
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    Hi Anon,
    You're getting a lot of opinions which is great, can i suggest that you write down all the pro's and con's of each option, that may help you to decide.

    You could even score each pro and con on a scale of 1-5 and work out the totals, if that helps? - 1 being of little importance and 5 being of massive importance, if you give the con's minus values you can have a total for each option.

    What ever you decide, as long as you think about it and make the decision that you believe is best for you and stick to your beliefs and values then you should do fine in the long run.

    All the best.
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    But Mohammad was a pedophile so why the hell would you listen to it? Yes that's right, Mohammad is an it. Pedophiles like it shouldn't be regarded by he or she as they are subhuman scum.

    Stop trying to ignore the fact Islam is a backwards ideology that hates women and homosexuals.
    It wasn't really paedophilia back then because life expectancy was lower and even today women can hit puberty as early as 9/10. Westerners can't even agree on the age of consent whether its 14/16/18 and there is all this nonsense about whether a drunken woman is able to give consent or not. Bottom line if they aren't in education and they are physically mature, marry them off and make decent women of them, rather than corrupting/degrading both men and women having them mix in universities, in pubs/clubs, in the workplace.
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    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    I think they come here mostly cos of the English language, a few benefits and cos of the anglo american foreign policy i.e. starting wholly unnecessary wars in places like Iraq under the supposed guise of freedom and democracy. There is absolutely nothing remarkable about non London UK. Dubai is **** hot right now.
    I hear the escort business in Dubai is BOOOMING. How bout that moral decadence?
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    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    It wasn't really paedophilia back then because life expectancy was lower and even today women can hit puberty as early as 9/10. Westerners can't even agree on the age of consent whether its 14/16/18 and there is all this nonsense about whether a drunken woman is able to give consent or not. Bottom line if they aren't in education and they are physically mature, marry them off and make decent women of them, rather than corrupting/degrading both men and women having them mix in universities, in pubs/clubs, in the workplace.
    Here we go Ladies and Gents

    Admitted by a Muslim man himself, Islam condones and therefore supports pedophiles and the forced marrying off of children.

    The excuses made as well are laughable :lol:
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    You have a few options here. You can always defer for a year. You can go on a gap year and see the world and work away from home. This way you get to chase your freedom and them re-apply for university next year and hopefully get as far away as you want.
    You didn't mention which course that you are doing, but if it is a course that would be that same in any country ie maths or anything like that that isn't specific to the country (opposed to say education), then you could look into studying at a university abroad for all 3/4 years.
    Another option that you have is clearing.
    You could also stick it out and transfer like you suggested. If you do transfer you may be able to get into the new unis halls in which case you shouldn't have to worry to much about making friends as everyone in halls will be new to the university.

    These are short term options. Any option that you choose will help you for the time being, but you need to ask yourself... Do you want to be 30 and still pretending to be a muslim? Do you want to come home and have to put on your accepted clothing again having worn shorts and t-shirt and your hair down for a few months?
    The other problem is photos. Everytime that you post a photo online you'll have to worry about how covered you are in case your family see it. Also, what if one of your new uni friends posts a photo that you're in beofre you notice?

    You need to think about a long term solution as well as this short term one. I really hope that you find the answers that you are looking for. Best of luck
 
 
 
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