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The Guardian: The last days of a white world (please read this concerning article)

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Original post by teenhorrorstory
Can't wait


Damn straight.
Original post by Quantex
Except for those who have a problem with people who aren't white, I don't see what the problem is.

It is also a "problem" entirely created by white people who choose not to pop out as many sprogs.


Exactly. Look at it logically, white/western birth rates are falling wheras non-white/eastern rates are rising. If this does not change then its only logical conclusion is that whites will eventually die out.
Can't wait for this to happen to britain
Original post by slaven
Well ok Islam is not a race. It is a culture that causes social conflicts. My point was that races like blacks in US developed its own subculture that is causing social conflict.

And the previous poster answered you well. White Brits indetify with Shakespeare because they are aware their ancestors are coming from the same tribes as he does. "Black Brits" dont and that is also a good argument against importing migrants.

"India's not China, for one India had independence to win. It's not as simple as following China's example. Nonetheless it's nothing to do with ethnic conflict."
Well I doubt Indians are not hardworking as Chinese. Their only problems is they are to divided society unlike the Chinese

"My understanding is that the American economy has done very well under Mr Obama."
I have enough basic economics knowledge to know all currencies on the world are centered on the dollar. That means we all must keep US rich in order that we not fall in economic chaos. Obama should thank Nixon and other US racist presidents for this legacy.

Well sorry but this is a myth. Try to name at least one such state.

Hystory has shown the pnly multiraticial/cultural countries that works is where one etnicity dominated the others.


Hence the need for social assimilation and the promotion of harmony and not rejection. To take a rather candid thought experiment - if yourself and a black american were having a discussion about race relations I suspect it would more quickly develop into a conflict than if it were me instead of you. Now you might say that you'd simply avoid the discussion and each enjoy a harmony of separation. But I think you'd be more enriched if you didn't need to. What I am promoting here, is harmony.

I'd say that from my limited experience not all that many white Brits 'identify' with Shakespeare. The the black Brits who founded the Hip Hop Shakespeare Company might.

You say things like 'their only problem' but that's not true. India's structural problems are distinctly different to China's.

That's an... interesting way of putting it. And of course the US is at the heart of the global economy, that doesn't mean that it can't falter - as it did under Bush and others.

Canada etc.

History has taught us that less civilised people fought over stupid things and we shouldn't make their mistake.
Reply 84
Original post by DIN-NARYU-FARORE
Can't wait for this to happen to britain


^This is the reason why Hungary and Croatia rejecting the third world savages from Africa and Middle East from settling.
Well this is exhausting. :redface: 2v1 is unfair guys.
Original post by Crassy
Black people have Africa and the Caribbean. I think you'll find that as a minority whites do very well, whether it's South Africa or Brazil having white people in your country is like having colonialists destroy everything. Meanwhile blacks are always the least successful and most criminal wherever they are.
FTFY
Reply 87
Original post by RayApparently
Hence the need for social assimilation and the promotion of harmony and not rejection. To take a rather candid thought experiment - if yourself and a black american were having a discussion about race relations I suspect it would more quickly develop into a conflict than if it were me instead of you. Now you might say that you'd simply avoid the discussion and each enjoy a harmony of separation. But I think you'd be more enriched if you didn't need to. What I am promoting here, is harmony.

Being enriched after having an argue with an US American over a hot topic? I doubt so. More likely it would be less harmony.

Also you raised an interesting point with your example. Separation cause less hate. Use for example people from a society where 99% are white will have less racism than a multicultural one like UK.

"You say things like 'their only problem' but that's not true. India's structural problems are distinctly different to China's. "
You know in the 1950s China was economically less developed than India (since it had a lot investition from the UK colonial government).


"That's an... interesting way of putting it. And of course the US is at the heart of the global economy, that doesn't mean that it can't falter - as it did under Bush and others."
Bush was also a bad president as Obama. Basically every president who even purposely make bad economic decissions could hardly harm the US economy.

If the US tomorrow bankrupts than the whole world goes into chaos with it (2008 crisis ring a bell).

The US must constantly send the dollar into the markets to that other currencies be stable.

"Canada etc."
Not en example. Canada has no history of discriminating blacks yet did not prevent that BLM Toronto be formed. Give another try.

History has taught us that less civilised people fought over stupid things and we shouldn't make their mistake.

If you speak about Africa yes. In case of the world wars no.
Original post by slaven
Being enriched after having an argue with an US American over a hot topic? I doubt so. More likely it would be less harmony.

Also you raised an interesting point with your example. Separation cause less hate. Use for example people from a society where 99% are white will have less racism than a multicultural one like UK.

"You say things like 'their only problem' but that's not true. India's structural problems are distinctly different to China's. "
You know in the 1950s China was economically less developed than India (since it had a lot investition from the UK colonial government).

"That's an... interesting way of putting it. And of course the US is at the heart of the global economy, that doesn't mean that it can't falter - as it did under Bush and others."
Bush was also a bad president as Obama. Basically every president who even purposely make bad economic decissions could hardly harm the US economy.

If the US tomorrow bankrupts than the whole world goes into chaos with it (2008 crisis ring a bell).

The US must constantly send the dollar into the markets to that other currencies be stable.

"Canada etc."
Not en example. Canada has no history of discriminating blacks yet did not prevent that BLM Toronto be formed. Give another try.

If you speak about Africa yes. In case of the world wars no.


Separation causes less hate, but we don't have separation. And you should aspire to not need to be separated like children who can't get along. It's called tolerance.

You know communism?

But the economy in the US has improved under Obama having faltered under Bush (though this is wildly off topic now).

Canada is an example of a successful country though. And off-shoot BLM movements are just a matter of international solidarity. Like the anti-apartheid protests in the UK and other countries.

I'm speaking of all of human history. The time's coming to adopt a more humanist identity. We'll all be more at peace then. Also, it's a good thing that the Second World War quashed the racist, fascist Nazi ideology as well as ultranationalist ones in Japan and Italy.
Reply 89
Original post by DIN-NARYU-FARORE
FTFY


In India maybe, but there was nothing to ruin in Africa. Rhodesia and South Africa were once great countries...under black rule they have become hopeless abysmal failures.
Original post by Crassy
In India maybe, but there was nothing to ruin in Africa. Rhodesia and South Africa were once great countries...under black rule they have become hopeless abysmal failures.


South Africa isn't a 'hopeless abysmal failure'. :confused:
Original post by Crassy
Nothing you have to say will convince me that a Europe full of Middle Easterners and Africans is Europe. No convoluted deconstructionist semantic or abstract argument makes it true on a real level.


I didn't say any "convoluted deconstructionist semantic or abstract argument". I simply noted that inhabitants of the Americas who are not Native Americans call themselves, and are widely called, Americans. Do you reject this practice and say that only Native Americans are 'real' Americans? Or are you employing a double standard?

In fact, if you take the consistent belief that the native racial/ethnic groups of each continent have some inherent right to be a majority of the population, then there's an obvious way to kill two birds with one stone - advocate for the population transfer of all white people in the Americas and Oceania to Europe. Yet somehow I'm going to bet you wouldn't want that.

The USA and new world in general I am not really bothered about immigrants going to. I merely used it as an example of how it is deliberate policy that drives immigration and how politicians have consistently lied about their intentions, rather than it just being some natural result of "progress", it was deliberately forced on the population without their knowledge or consent.


Depends what you mean by 'progress'. If you mean, technological development, then yes, more human movement is an inevitable consequence of transport becoming cheaper and easier. I'm not a fan of the 'Whig history' trope of assuming everything is always getting better, so I won't call it 'progress', but if that's what you mean, then yes, it is inevitable.

And no, it has not been 'forced on the population'. The only people a population movement can be forced on are the people moving. If people are moving voluntarily, then there is no force involved. If someone moves into the house next door to or across the road from mine, nothing has been 'forced' on me. However, it would and does require force to prevent people from moving and migrating.

As an anarchist I have no idea why you favour something that was always about undermining working class solidarity and lowering wages.


So you think the more consistently anarchist position is to support authoritarian state restrictions on freedom of movement instead?

Also, working class solidarity means solidarity with all working class people, not only working class people of your own ethnicity. That would be ethnic solidarity, which really does undermine working class solidarity.

But I guess the real dividing line in politics now is whether you hate white people and want them gone or not.


No, not really, that's just your obsession.
Reply 92
Original post by RayApparently
Separation causes less hate, but we don't have separation. And you should aspire to not need to be separated like children who can't get along. It's called tolerance.

You know communism?

No, in the current british situation it is hard now to separate anything. What about communism?

Tolerance means to not react that you dislike. What you are suggesting is not tolerance.

"Canada is an example of a successful country though. And off-shoot BLM movements are just a matter of international solidarity. Like the anti-apartheid protests in the UK and other countries."
No, they werw complaining about opression in Canada lol

I'm speaking of all of human history. The time's coming to adopt a more humanist identity. We'll all be more at peace then. Also, it's a good thing that the Second World War quashed the racist, fascist Nazi ideology as well as ultranationalist ones in Japan and Italy.


That is an uthopia as explained already. You are basically asking that we the majority should suffer to try to appease the minority. It should otherwise be.

Allies were also nationalist as well.
Original post by slaven
No, in the current british situation it is hard now to separate anything. What about communism?

Tolerance means to not react that you dislike. What you are suggesting is not tolerance.

"Canada is an example of a successful country though. And off-shoot BLM movements are just a matter of international solidarity. Like the anti-apartheid protests in the UK and other countries."
No, they werw complaining about opression in Canada lol

That is an uthopia as explained already. You are basically asking that we the majority should suffer to try to appease the minority. It should otherwise be.

Allies were also nationalist as well.


Rapid Chinese industrialisation was a result of communist governance. Like in the USSR.

If tolerance is the best I can get from you I'll take it.

It's still a successful country.

Suffer? I'm saying that neither should have to suffer if we forgot old allegiances and prejudices. If we stopped seeing each other in terms of the majority and the minorities. After all isn't the OP about how today's majority might one day be a minority. If that happens it'd be nice if we cured our race fixation first.

Not like the Axis though. Certainly not like the Nazis.
Reply 94
Original post by anarchism101
I didn't say any "convoluted deconstructionist semantic or abstract argument". I simply noted that inhabitants of the Americas who are not Native Americans call themselves, and are widely called, Americans. Do you reject this practice and say that only Native Americans are 'real' Americans? Or are you employing a double standard?

In fact, if you take the consistent belief that the native racial/ethnic groups of each continent have some inherent right to be a majority of the population, then there's an obvious way to kill two birds with one stone - advocate for the population transfer of all white people in the Americas and Oceania to Europe. Yet somehow I'm going to bet you wouldn't want that.


Only Native Americans are real [whatever their tribe is], and yes only Native Americans are real natives to the American continent. I don't really mind about immigration to the USA as I said, I merely highlighted American immigration policy to show how demographic changes are not just natural they are the result of deliberate changes in policies. And I would love it if white Americans moved back to Europe lol, guarantee that minorities wouldn't though, it would turn into Mexico in a month.

Original post by anarchism101
Depends what you mean by 'progress'. If you mean, technological development, then yes, more human movement is an inevitable consequence of transport becoming cheaper and easier. I'm not a fan of the 'Whig history' trope of assuming everything is always getting better, so I won't call it 'progress', but if that's what you mean, then yes, it is inevitable.

And no, it has not been 'forced on the population'. The only people a population movement can be forced on are the people moving. If people are moving voluntarily, then there is no force involved. If someone moves into the house next door to or across the road from mine, nothing has been 'forced' on me. However, it would and does require force to prevent people from moving and migrating.


The policies have been forced on people. Immigration is the result of deliberate policy that has been forced on populations without their knowledge or consent.


Original post by anarchism101
So you think the more consistently anarchist position is to support authoritarian state restrictions on freedom of movement instead?

Also, working class solidarity means solidarity with all working class people, not only working class people of your own ethnicity. That would be ethnic solidarity, which really does undermine working class solidarity.


Maybe you are right about that. I just find it amusing how "radical leftists" support the exact same agenda and spout the same ideals as hyper wealthy globalists. Immigration has always been a corporate scam, the "diversity" ideals you believe in are the propaganda of the elite. All of it has always been to protect the banks.
Reply 95
Original post by RayApparently
Rapid Chinese industrialisation was a result of communist governance. Like in the USSR.

If tolerance is the best I can get from you I'll take it.

It's still a successful country.

Suffer? I'm saying that neither should have to suffer if we forgot old allegiances and prejudices. If we stopped seeing each other in terms of the majority and the minorities. After all isn't the OP about how today's majority might one day be a minority. If that happens it'd be nice if we cured our race fixation first.

Not like the Axis though. Certainly not like the Nazis.

If the UK was ruled by a multikulturalist back than it wozld have fallen in few month
Original post by slaven
If the UK was ruled by a multikulturalist back than it wozld have fallen in few month


By back then do you mean WW2? When the Deputy Prime Minister was the socialist Clement Attlee who welcomed immigration whilst being a war veteran and NATO founder?

WW2 was won by heroes, not bigots. They lost.
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Reply 97
Original post by RayApparently
South Africa isn't a 'hopeless abysmal failure'. :confused:


Only because there are still enough whites there to keep the country afloat. They're gradually being killed or if their lucky leaving though, and South Africa will turn into yet another Zimbabwe, maybe even worse since South African blacks are particularly violent.
Original post by Crassy
Only because there are still enough whites there to keep the country afloat. They're gradually being killed or if their lucky leaving though, and South Africa will turn into yet another Zimbabwe, maybe even worse since South African blacks are particularly violent.


Nonsense. S.Africa has gone from strength to strength since the fall of apartheid.
We have always been divided into the categories white and poc, of course white will appear grossly outnumbered against us, because they are being compared to every non white identifying group, which understandably is comprised of the majority of the global population....

Instead of all this otherness, maybe we could just all identify as human. It is no surprise that as members of a species that inhabits majority hot, sunny regions, that higher levels of melanin are becoming a more common/ selected for trait. I guess if y'all wanted to preserve the white population, you should slow down global warming, destroy international transport systems, and go back to the dark ages before we had basic humanity, compassion, and the intelligence to rise above the notion that the colour of someone's skin should be seen as a threat to your very existence.

And then there's the fetishisation of certain groups - funny how everyone wants 'cute mixed babies' but want to preserve their own 'race', you should all be questioning why the 'lightskin' for example, is the desirable partner or child before blaming us for existing...

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