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    (Original post by The Awakener)
    I’ve made a petition – will you sign it?

    My Petition: Abolish University Tuition Fees

    Click this link to sign the petition:
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...65HgTz0Vxlmcf8

    Dear TSR,

    In 2012 the Coalition Government raised tuition fees to £9000 a year, which means students now face crippling debt. This shackling debt often lasts decades. Free education is a right not a privilege. We have to act now to take back what's rightfully ours!

    Young students eager to better themselves as people are facing crippling debt after they leave university unless they are born of a very wealthy family. This ensures that the wealth stays with the families who have always had it. Worse still is the number of young people denied the chance of university due to their disadvantaged background. Free education is vital if we are to have a country that utilises the most talented rather than the most fortunate. Free education is necessary for equality.

    This petition has to do well! If you agree with it please sign it and send it to all your contacts.

    Thankyou,

    The Awakener


    completely agree. to top it off, if your a graduate, it'll set you back way more money to do another degree/ grad degree than it cost initially and youll have to pay from your own pocket as you cant get a loan. It's pathetic how it is geared towards those from wealthy packgrounds and those of us from working/middle class households are screwed
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    completely agree. to top it off, if your a graduate, it'll set you back way more money to do another degree/ grad degree than it cost initially and youll have to pay from your own pocket as you cant get a loan. It's pathetic how it is geared towards those from wealthy packgrounds and those of us from working/middle class households are screwed
    You aren't really. See #79

    You have the same access to my and other people's money and the same rules for paying (some of?) it back. As it is way too many of you never do so what do we get out of many students going to uni? Sweet Felicity Arkwright!

    I would personally prefer that none of you got it with the slight exception I explained in an earlier reply.
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    Can someone seriously suggest where this extra money would come from? We don't have unlimited money to send everyone to uni who wants to go.
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    Can someone please explain how poor students get put off by tuition fees?

    I qualify for the maximum maintenance grants, I get bursaries from uni, I really can't stop people giving me money.

    The tuition fees, something I never see enter or leave my account don't factor in to my uni costs at all.

    Meanwhile, my friends who's parents are on medium income can't far less money and even less help from their parents who have other kids to pay for.

    So no, tuition fees don't bar people from going to uni.
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    Even if by some miracle this gets 100,000 signatures and then passes for debate in parliament, the politicians will simply say "no" and move on.

    Come back to reality anytime you fancy, OP.
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    If you think tuition fees are a barrier to going to university you clearly don't understand the loans system, which is a good indicator that you're probably not bright enough for higher education anyway.
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    Literally the only reason to moan about the current student loan system is a basic incomprehension of how it works and/or feeling entitled to other people's money. If there really are droves of poor people who are spooked out of going to uni by the £9k a year (which, as a poor person, I doubt) they're clearly too dim to do five seconds of research and wouldn't cut it at uni anyway. The country loses nothing.
    This is the crux

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    OP stop, this has been raised before. And was brushed off.


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    (Original post by CurlyBen)
    If you think tuition fees are a barrier to going to university you clearly don't understand the loans system, which is a good indicator that you're probably not bright enough for higher education anyway.


    I completely agree with everything said here, it seems like the OP just saw a Fidel Castro or Bernie sanders propaganda video and thought he knew what he was talking about with all these socialist policies
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    (Original post by paul514)
    I agree that ALL education should be free no matter if it is under grad or post grad.....

    But how do you propose the government saves the money to do it elsewhere?

    Wouldn't it cost over 20 billion a year if memory serves me?


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    The government could get of its arse and crack down on corporate tax avoidance. Then we would have plenty of money. Not only for free tuition but for many other things.
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    (Original post by viffer)
    You aren't really. See #79

    You have the same access to my and other people's money and the same rules for paying (some of?) it back. As it is way too many of you never do so what do we get out of many students going to uni? Sweet Felicity Arkwright!

    I would personally prefer that none of you got it with the slight exception I explained in an earlier reply.
    for you information, I am paying my student loan back already (I was fortunate that I was in the pre-2012 category) even though my loan will cancel itself in the future. the reason why: because I want people to be able to have an education because I know what its like to go through university without funding
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    student finance cut my funding during my last year at uni, despite 1 of my parents being made redundant for a year and the other other parent earning ~£1kmonth after taxes. in fact, my parents had to remorgage the house just to put me through uni so dont go lecturing people about paying stuff back
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    in fact, my other parent was made redundant recently and I spent a lot of my savings (read significantly more than £4000) to help pay the blasted thing off


    I kinda agree that people should stop borrowing loans / loans should be abolished but feel that unis should revert to the pre-2012 fees (3kish a year vs 9-12.5k a year). the fact that there are fewer people going into uni straight out of a levels these days and the fact that education resources (in healthcare anyways) arent much more expensive to me suggests that unis didnt really need to (effectively) triple tuition fees.

    the sad reality is that a lot of unis will probably refuse lowering fees and the on;ly way to truly provide free education for all is via increased taxation / sponsorship with dubious companies
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    To be fair, I think it helps when it comes to uni, to pay. If it were free, I might slack like I did in secondary school and college. But slacking in uni? Damn, I'm not going to waste £9000 a year on just pissing around, I better get a degree out of that at least. There's a healthy pressure to it I reckon.
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    Can someone seriously suggest where this extra money would come from? We don't have unlimited money to send everyone to uni who wants to go.
    I'm unaffected by the issue and fairly neutral. I'm sure the answer would be the same as for most public spending, such as infrastructure, that the cost would be recouped over the lifetime of the student through having a better educated workforce. Whether this would be the case is dubious, but the money would obviously be added to the national debt, same as any other spending.
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    (Original post by quasa)
    for you information, I am paying my student loan back already (I was fortunate that I was in the pre-2012 category) even though my loan will cancel itself in the future. the reason why: because I want people to be able to have an education because I know what its like to go through university without funding I kinda agree that people should stop borrowing loans / loans should be abolished but feel that unis should revert to the pre-2012 fees (3kish a year vs 9-12.5k a year). the fact that there are fewer people going into uni straight out of a levels these days and the fact that education resources (in healthcare anyways) arent much more expensive to me suggests that unis didnt really need to (effectively) triple tuition fees.

    the sad reality is that a lot of unis will probably refuse lowering fees and the on;ly way to truly provide free education for all is via increased taxation / sponsorship with dubious companies
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    Sorry for the pedantry and maybe English is not your first language. However, I object enough as it is on the principle of this but even more so if someone who wants to use my money to go to Uni can't even write properly.

    Any self-respecting employer will (or should) run a mile and bin an application/CV written as badly as your case for free/subsidised HE.

    The fact your loan will, in your own words "cancel itself in the future", annoys me. Somewhere along the line your education, funded partly at my expense, has been a waste of money. Thanks for that.
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    (Original post by viffer)
    Sorry for the pedantry and maybe English is not your first language. However, I object enough as it is on the principle of this but even more so if someone who wants to use my money to go to Uni can't even write properly.

    Any self-respecting employer will (or should) run a mile and bin an application/CV written as badly as your case for free/subsidised HE.

    The fact your loan will, in your own words "cancel itself in the future", annoys me. Somewhere along the line your education, funded partly at my expense, has been a waste of money. Thanks for that.
    Your welcome for letting me waste your money

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    english is my first language (doesnt help typing on a phone) and I am just sharing personal views, not friggin trying to cause a debate.
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    my engrish skills are so bad that I somehow managed to get interviews in cambridge hospitals (not once but twice), Guys & St thomas' (flagship hospitals of Kings College Hospitals), Royal Free Hospital (Flagship Hospital of UCL hospitals,) and worked for Leeds Teaching Hospitals. Moral is people can be formal if they want to otherwise I aint bovvered :P
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    but as I mentioned earlier, higher education needs to revert back to the pre-2012 levels for there to be any realistic chance of people a) paying loans and b) being able to go into further education. For example, people wanting to gain PHDs but cant because your talking 27-27.5k in tuition fees alone with no grants to subsidise anything and people no longer offering nhs bursaries); or a nurse / other healthcare professional who has the potential to be a great doctor, which is vital as there are a lack of home grown doctors / lack of gps in general, not being able to pursue that route due to tuition fees for 5 years costing more than 5 years worth of salaries, and impossible if you already have kids.
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    They shouldn't be free, but I think £9,000 a year is just a teeny bit much. £3,000 per year was more than enough, especially compared with other countries in Europe.
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    They shouldn't be free, but I think £9,000 a year is just a teeny bit much. £3,000 per year was more than enough, especially compared with other countries in Europe.
    just out of curiosity, if you study abroad in europe, do they charge the you the same exorbitant rate they charge foreign students in this country vs their fees for native students.
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    (Original post by quasa)
    just out of curiosity, if you study abroad in europe, do they charge the you the same exorbitant rate they charge foreign students in this country vs their fees for native students.
    I don't know if they charge more for international students vs home students, but I know for a fact that in pretty much every European country, the fees are not even CLOSE to HALF of what our fees are, both for home or international students.

    (Based on just a quick google, I may be wrong though)
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    (Original post by soanonymous)
    They shouldn't be free, but I think £9,000 a year is just a teeny bit much. £3,000 per year was more than enough, especially compared with other countries in Europe.
    Except £3000/yr doesn't begin to come close to covering the costs of some courses. My course cost in the region of £12-15k per student per year.

    In order to recoup that kind of loss the university has to sell a huge number of places on the, frankly, crap courses that barely cost anything to provide places for, which does nothing for the educating the workforce argument as all it does is give a degree to people who'll only be able find work in shops.
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    (Original post by The Awakener)
    I’ve made a petition – will you sign it?

    My Petition: Abolish University Tuition Fees

    Click this link to sign the petition:
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...65HgTz0Vxlmcf8

    Dear TSR,

    In 2012 the Coalition Government raised tuition fees to £9000 a year, which means students now face crippling debt. This shackling debt often lasts decades. Free education is a right not a privilege. We have to act now to take back what's rightfully ours!

    Young students eager to better themselves as people are facing crippling debt after they leave university unless they are born of a very wealthy family. This ensures that the wealth stays with the families who have always had it. Worse still is the number of young people denied the chance of university due to their disadvantaged background. Free education is vital if we are to have a country that utilises the most talented rather than the most fortunate. Free education is necessary for equality.

    This petition has to do well! If you agree with it please sign it and send it to all your contacts.

    Thankyou,

    The Awakener
    I don't hold out much hope but I signed anyway. It's worth a try.
 
 
 
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