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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    There are no free markets, for what counts as a free market they do not need to go to the place that just happens to be thousands of miles away. They just happen to be going from a region with a GDP per capita of a grand to over 20 grand.

    Turkey has a "free" market, they don't stay there. Greece has a "free" market, they don't stay there either. Hungary has a "free" market, Syria has a "free" market. In fact most of the world does, but there are only a very small number of countries they're trying to get to and they, by sheer coincidence, happen to be among the wealthiest countries in yje world.

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    Markets transcend borders. Any real free marketer has to be distrustful of borders. At best borders and nation states are something you only do as a last resort. You are to eager for state protectionism.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    You are putting a group of people like me in the same box as people who will destroy this nation to such an extent that it becomes unrecognisable.
    You have the obsession with the nation box checked in the fascism tick box
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You have the obsession with the nation box checked in the fascism tick box
    Everyone should have that box checked, nothing is more important as all policies form up to represent the nation state.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Markets transcend borders. Any real free marketer has to be distrustful of borders. At best borders and nation states are something you only do as a last resort. You are to eager for state protectionism.
    You still don't seem to be accepting this idea that if they truly are after a free market they don't have to be travelling thousands of miles to northern and western Europe, even arguing along the "they want a free market" like you cannot escape that at the end of the day coming to Britain, Germany, and France is coming to wealth

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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    . At best borders and nation states are something you only do as a last resort. You are to eager for state protectionism.
    The first and most important duty of the nation state is to protect its citizens and safeguard their way of life. No other entity can do so. The British nation state has been very successful in protecting its citizens and this has enabled them to develop not only wealth but also the sort of liberal sensibilities that lead to statements like yours that have not had their consequences thought through.

    This migration is caused by failed nation states that have not protected and nurtured their citizens, or allowed them to develop economically. Those states emerged as a consequence of the nature, beliefs and attitudes of the people in them (just as European states did). It would be a folly of the highest order to allow large numbers of people, who have themselves been part of societies that have shunned the western way, to bring such chaos and the attitudes that caused it, to our shores.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The first and most important duty of the nation state is to protect its citizens and safeguard their way of life. No other entity can do so. The British nation state has been very successful in protecting its citizens and this has enabled them to develop not only wealth but also the sort of liberal sensibilities that lead to statements like yours that have not had their consequences thought through.

    This migration is caused by failed nation states that have not protected and nurtured their citizens, or allowed them to develop economically. Those states emerged as a consequence of the nature, beliefs and attitudes of the people in them (just as European states did). It would be a folly of the highest order to allow large numbers of people, who have themselves been part of societies that have shunned the western way, to bring such chaos and the attitudes that caused it, to our shores.
    Nothing to add to that, very well put. I may even steal that in the future.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I am as worried of fascist types like yourself mucking up western civilisation again as I am Islamist and backward middle-eastern cultures.
    While I agree that this chap is overstating his case, how does him endeavouring to conserve European society as dangerous to European society as people who literally want to destroy it? You're overstating your case even more than he is. And that's putting it lightly.

    Not that it isn't a moot point anyway since you lot don't go in for the whole patriotism thing.

    Now back to the topic, I see a case for this as ISIS operatives in Libya routinely capture migrants from Eritrea etc and let them go if they're Muslim and kill them if they aren't. Sending them back to Libya is death for the Christians. However on balance the Australian method of discouraging the journeys is best option in the grand scheme of things. More boats is more deaths. **
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    You are putting a group of people like me in the same box as people who will destroy this nation to such an extent that it becomes unrecognisable.
    Its worse than that. He put you in the same box as people who wish to kill you, me, him (lol), all gays, Jews, Hindus etc. He's just being hysterical.*
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The first and most important duty of the nation state is to protect its citizens and safeguard their way of life. No other entity can do so. The British nation state has been very successful in protecting its citizens and this has enabled them to develop not only wealth but also the sort of liberal sensibilities that lead to statements like yours that have not had their consequences thought through.

    This migration is caused by failed nation states that have not protected and nurtured their citizens, or allowed them to develop economically. Those states emerged as a consequence of the nature, beliefs and attitudes of the people in them (just as European states did). It would be a folly of the highest order to allow large numbers of people, who have themselves been part of societies that have shunned the western way, to bring such chaos and the attitudes that caused it, to our shores.
    Good post. Agreed completely.
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    (Original post by IAMBACK.)
    Adolf? Is that you?
    Poor attempt at derailing the debate.
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    (Original post by IAMBACK.)
    Adolf? Is that you?
    How is stating that the first priority of a nation state is to protect and serve its own people and that people who hold values contradictory to the values held by the population not being placed in the state being conducive to this make one on the same level of a dictator who murdered millions of people based on race, disability and being in opposition to said genocide? What's wrong with you and your mind?*
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    How is stating that the first priority of a nation state is to protect and serve its own people and that people who hold values contradictory to the values held by the population not being placed in the state being conducive to this make one on the same level of a dictator who murdered millions of people based on race, disability and being in opposition to said genocide? What's wrong with you and your mind?*
    "Liberalism" I think the ailment is called

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    There's an inevitability about this. Europe's geographical location means it will always be the number one destination for North and East African migrants. They'll keep coming because there is no effective deterrent. Poor integration and rapid breeding are a given when you consider where these people are coming from.
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    (Original post by RivalPlayer)
    There's an inevitability about this. Europe's geographical location means it will always be the number one destination for North and East African migrants. They'll keep coming because there is no effective deterrent. Poor integration and rapid breeding are a given when you consider where these people are coming from.
    that is a racist statement.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    that is a racist statement.
    He didn't even mention race.

    The hysteria of those who have lost the argument would be funny if it didn't have such awful consequences.
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    10000 rapists in one week????? The Italians had better order some extra chastity belts.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    He didn't even mention race.

    The hysteria of those who have lost the argument would be funny if it didn't have such awful consequences.
    North and East Africans = a race called 'Berbers' and Arabs.

    He said people from these regions harbour poor integration

    that is racist
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    (Original post by SuperHuman98)
    o_0

    tbh I think people would still take the risk
    Judging by the rescue point, there is no "risk". There is literally zero chance of these people reaching Italy unless the Italian state chooses to import them, mostly due to lack of fuel.

    Italy might as well give away free plane tickets in Tripoli.
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    (Original post by dozyrosie)
    10000 rapists in one week????? The Italians had better order some extra chastity belts.
    Italy can barely afford 10,000 chastity belts; good thing Sweden is producing the much cheaper anti-rape bracelets.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    North and East Africans = a race called 'Berbers' and Arabs.

    He said people from these regions harbour poor integration

    that is racist
    You're in denial.
 
 
 
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